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PornoTube
I think that it is not good for us…Which your opinion?
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I have some concerns, mostly with regard to how they intend to control abuse of copyrighted content. So far they (AEBN) have not given a satisfactory answer.
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It's not good news IMHO.
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I'll let Bishop from AEBN know aobut this thread & hopefully he can shed some light on the subject for us.
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Good for program owners who want to brand their products, bad for webmaster since they can't brand other peoples products as their own.
Webmaster with original products(amateurish stuff) can benefit by adding movies with their website URL watermarked. This can drive traffic virally just like youtube does for mainstream sites. |
I would be more worried about bittorrent, pornotube rarely has anything over a minute long.
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Nah, this is just next thing, soon TGP gona be some sort of tube site
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Good if you know how to market you product virally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing Bad if you don't know how to market. Also, bad if the program owner doesn't want their product out their. |
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It's sorta like a legit fusker, if that makes sense. |
Bishop is away fly fishing or making babies or racing in the grand prix of monaco or some such adventure. Until he's back from saving the world with only a can opener, some chewing gum and toenail clippers I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.
One thing off the top - affiliates can certainly use pornotube.com, as long as the TOS of the affiliate company allows it. For copyrighted content - anything that is reported is removed, it's that easy. Toby - there haven't been any significant questions about it so far, so yeah - we haven't given any answers. Even if a clip is from an affiliate section, if the owner doesn't want it there, it's gone. Simple. Kron is pretty much correct. Times are a'changin and with the advent of the so-called "web 2.0" and the huge popularity of video sharing, tagging and bookmark sharing sites, Adult needs to keep up. Of course there will be some growing pains, but things like this have to happen. We can't sit around and let advances in marketing and technology pass by. Adult used to lead the tech growth on the web.. a shift occurred about three years ago or so.. we definately trail behind now. |
..and just to clear up any possible confusion (because it's happened in the past) Gonzo - you so speak on behalf of AEBN, correct?
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Im sure as a link list owner you will agree that the thumbbed TGPs were bad for link lists. Bit Torrent Sites are the bane of TGPs. The web evolves at the expense of those who dont seize change. We've taught the surfer that they can get free porn for many years now. Remember the old addage we all used to chant? Free sites are to tease...pay sites to please. Now you can see a myraid of freebies within tours that just a few years ago didnt give away as much as an exposed nipple. |
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If you have any questions on suggestions hes the man to go to. They are his babies. |
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What you're saying is that unless content owners find their content on pornotube and ask for it's removal, it will remain. That may be enough to cover your ass legally, but ethically it's a cop out. You know as well as I do that for every removal request there will be dozens if not hundreds of pics and vids posted without the authorization of the rightful owners. The only winners I see here are some program owners that will post their own content and AEBN who will redirect traffic to their own programs, with much of that traffic built upon the illegally posted content of others. |
This is going to be a good discussion |thumb
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1st off, I don't think Thumb TGP's were bad for Link Lists - I actually like them, but they do bring up a shitload of 2257 questions (which is probably why I don't have one) Bit Torrent (and any P2P service) is bad for "webmasters" just like PornoTube is bad for "webmasters" because it really does teach the surfer that you can get content (and a lot of it) for free all at once place. I'd also throw Guba into this as well, because there are a lot of similarities. And don't get me wrong - as soon as YouTube became popular, everyone knew there was going to be a porn version - but like these other sites/programs, there's a lot of questions about 2257 & copyrights & surfer submitted content (since the 1st script that allowed you to post content to a website, there's always been that fear of illegal material being posted) And yes, all of those things are really none of my business, because I don't own the company nor do I have any content to worry aobut as far as copyrights. I assume that most sponsors won't care that their content is on there, because it's free advertising & they'll get sales from it, which is their bottom line. My concern - and I think the concern of most of the people on this board - is that this is another thing that tgp/linklist & gallery/freesite webmasters have to compete with - and these sites/programs are on a level right off the bat that makes it very hard to compete with. |
no comment from me :D
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I like the idea, as long as there is some kind of limit on the length of video clips (5 minutes?) and the people running it are responsible about copyrighted content.
BTW I read above someone works with pornotube here, how long does it take for your video to upload? I uploaded a 50 second trailer the other night and its still not showing up :( my account id is beaverbob.. I am interested to see if this could be a productive source of traffic. I wouldn't expect it to take the place of other valuable traffic sources such as linklists, tgps, blogs, etc... but my feeling is the more places you can get traffic, the better. |
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Actually gonzo.com was a linklist a long time ago. I jumped to tgps and then thumbed TGPs as it was a quick traffic builder. 2257 issues are an entire different debate all together. Bottomline is its hard to compete as a true affiliate based webmaster. Early wisdom used to say why build something of my own when I acn make more money selling others with a fraction of the effort? Its hell of a lot more effort now and people got greedy with all the stealing tricks and of course this shit with Zango and AFF. This shit has been going on a long time before with sextracker ... Newton did and excellent interview a while back on it. Ill do some digging for it but I think you can still see some of this from this quiery. As I recall sextracker was loading a trojan that replaced affilaite codes and cookies with their own. As you can see this ended bad.. http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/searc...searchid=27418 Ill see if I can find the interview. |
Someone please fill me in, what the crap is PornoTube?
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http://www.pornotube.com |
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ZANGO money is keeping a lot of high-end webmasters happy too. An adult webmaster today has to own a TGP, LinkList, Blogs, Thousand of AVS satelites, thousands of galleries and very good relationships with the owners of the affiliate programs. The good relationships with affiliate owners get you in on first new products. Basically, you beta test their product and cash in fast. Also, adult webmaster have to know CSS like their top of their dicks. Evolve or die. |
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Individual webmasters are doing great with the traffic. Many of them host the vids there and use the vids on their own sites - it's free bandwidth. Studios love it so far, and many programs are encouraging their affiliates to use the service. Watermarked content provides excellent free branding, and you can of course put URLs in the description or even titles if you want. With all that being said, of course we direct traffic to our own VOD sites, and we direct traffic to our partners and advertisers. We do it all through clicked URLs - no blind links, no skimming, nothing like that. You'll find we run an open, honest program and we play very nicely with others. We probably give more away to affiliates and partners than anyone else in the biz. I'm not talking about schwag - hats, coffee mugs, trips to costa rica.. I'm talking about substantial biz things like bandwidth, free minutes for their surfers, e-mail campaigns for affiliates, all kinds of stuff. I'm not going to respond tit for tat here, and I'm not going to argue with anyone on message boards, as far as our business models are concerned. As I said earlier, I don't have the time. If you have questions feel free to write to support or call, and we'll answer your questions. Are you an affiliate of AEBN? Just curious. |
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I'm not in a position to access the databases right now so I can't check on the uplaod date. I'm guessing you reuploaded it. There are still some issues with uploads when the site is getting really hammered. The conversion process is a bit fragile yet, and needs to be reworked to make it more bulletproof. We're adding more feedback, also. Right now, we have an e-mail message that we send to our techies when something fails. When we get the time to reformat it for users we'll turn that on. Right now it's all numbers and codes that no one but the programmers could ever decipher. :) |
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Brand your product, upload it to PornoTube and repeat. |banghead| |
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We aren't quite that high yet.. close, but not quite |loony| |
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And, I don't know if you've looked around too much, but a majority of the people that post on this board do not have their own content to brand & upload anyplace. Go re-read my 4th post: "This is going to be a good discussion...." & hopefully that'll explain what the issue is. |
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ThumbTGPs were bad for just about everybody. Especially when people decided it was better to have a fancy schmancy design with lots of big thumbs than any banners or advertising. Watch the counter spin, baby! Senator_X - branding is eventually worth fuck all if it doesn't convert into traffic and sales. Don't believ all the hype :-) fusionx - Good luck with it. It's a fine line you'e walking. I wonder if Web2.0 may be about to explode into law suits etc (Universal vs MYSpace etc etc). In the meantime, mind if I borrow AEBN's content library? I'll remove it if it's found and reported. ;-)))) |
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I do not have my own content to brand and upload. Like the majority of the people on this board I make my living promoting programs owned by others. As for using your bandwidth, thanks but I prefer to keep my stuff on a server I have control of myself. If a movie gallery is submitted to any of my TGP's with the video hosted on pornotube it wouldn't even get past my submit script, and that's without any modifications to the out of the box settings. Quote:
Bottom line, in my opinion, the end does not justify the means. |
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I think you may be seeing a serious threat to text based LL's from two approaches, first surfers are clearly voting for video, so LL's may get relagated to the visually impaired and accessible audience if they fail to keep up. Secondly, video sites are a direct way for content providers to present their wares directly to the surfer bypassing the middleman LL owners who had previously directed them. So the next question out there is how do you do this thing and how much bandwidth/computing power does it take?|huh |
Its good if you want to embed some movie clips into your blog.
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right on.. so instead of putting that trailer on my server and eating up my bandwidth, i could just embed that on my blog? either way, i'm interested to see what happens with this site. |
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I just see adult variants of youtube as natural progression. Over the past few years, newer business models has always bumped the one before it down the ladder.
I say adapt and get in on the ground level. So you have an advantage for when it becomes the norm. :) -N |
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An adult webmaster today has to be well rounded to make a living. I just can't submit to linklist, tgps or dumps for traffic. I have to generate traffic and execute. Some people can lay back and collect big fat checks because they were first. Trust me they will evolve. |
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