How many LLs do you submit to?
 

I would like to know how many LL other WM are submitting to? I submit up to 82 LL - I am looking to expand it further.

What is the optimum number of LL- Their must surely be a point whereby the marginal effort exceeds the marginal benefit.

I submitted to 10-12 LL's regularly over the years and about the same number of TGP's. I wan never one to try to spend 10 hours a day submitting to a ton of sites. But then I never liked those submit scripts either.

I'm a firm believer in hand submitting everything.

right now i'm doin an even 20. I could go with 40 or so, but the results vs the chance of not being listed by others for doorway pages just isn't worth it. I'm doing story sites currently so i'm an exception.

Did you drop me? I haven't seen a submit from you this week.

I think i submitted my last site to you. I have only made 9 in the past 4 months lol. I am going to start doing galleries and try picture sites again and i'll keep a spot for you.

I usually only make 1 every week or two while i am doing my big story site. :)

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Obviously you must or why bother but 82? I am surprised you get traffic from numbers 40 down to 82 assuming biggest traffic senders are 1 to 39. I submit to just 24 or will be once I get going again next week, I only hand submit and for me making the extra pages for another 50+ submits would be better used making another free site and sending it to the bigger link lists...

I submit to 80 link lists, I`ve just expanded my link list`s to 112 for two weeks to look for new link lists, which send nice traffic.Most of them don`t send a lot of traffic, but its still fine.If you`ve just build a free site it won`t take you that long to duplicate it.But anyway I agree the biggest traffic senders are 1 to 39.

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I have over 200 LL :)

I just trimmed my old list collection to 48 from 90+, though I might raise it up to 60 shortly.

I agree with you, I think that one can think of it in terms of the 80/20 principle - If I look at my stats you can see that the top 20 bring in the bullk of the traffic. However If 40 -80 only send for example 2 visitors a day you are still getting 80 visitors/day.

I also hand submit, but it goes quickly once you get the hang of it, I just wonder if increasing my submit list from 80 to 120 will result in an 50% increase in traffic - I think even an increase of 10% will be worth the effort.

I do 45 at the moment.
As I too have become faster in the process I may increse that amount.

I usually do 16 for AVS sites and 16-32 for free sites. I might boost my AVS to 32.

Around 100, every single hit is a potential buyer.

True. The damnest thing is that sometimes the few hits you get from a smaller link list end up being signups more than you'd think. Why? Good question. Might be that there is more targeted SE traffic coming from there (instead of lessor traffic quality) or it could have to do with there not being 50,000 other sites that the surfer can get for free on the list. Yours might be the only one catering to his or her particular fetish -- and that's instant gold. Its *never* a waste of time, provided they will actually list you.

If I ever start up submitting to free sites again, I'll probably do as many as I reasonably can. Anywhere from 20 - 300. We'll see. :D

I'm currently submitting free sites (by hand) to about 120 LL's. In the past I've submitted a single site to just the top 20 LL's but thought I'd expand on it some. To early to see if more is better. |loony|

i submit to 21 LL. Its hard to find more of them. 1-2 of those 21 stopped listing me and im having hard times to find a replacement

i`m submitting to 84 LLs by hand. Time ago i was submitting to 240 sites. Removed bad ones, who even after 6 month didnt accepted my site, or sites who send 1 click per month. The ones who send me 2-3 clicks daily i added to my submit site list.

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I build a site and nine mirrors each with nine recips for a total of 90. It takes about six hours to make the site and it's mirrors and submit manually to all link lists. (The submitting takes a little over an hour) I spend the rest of the day looking over content and selecting what to use for the next day's site and get a start on the next site. I thought about submitting to the top 27 traffic sending sites which would only be three sites but you never know where a sign-up will come from and I would wind up with too much time on my hands (can only submit one site/day anyway)

Now you can add one more in the future when it's asked again :D

And how about SEO,

What is better?

To have links from 30 sites with average PR 4 or from 100+ with average PR 2?

Both? |huh

I'm recovering from a pretty bad neck injury so my ability to sit at the PC and create free sites has been limited the past 7-8 weeks.

I typically submit to 24 to 64 LL’s depending on the site I’m submitting.

I do all my submits by hand so I think I’ll stick to the sites that give me the best traffic and or are easiest to work with – a site that only send minimal traffic and takes 6-months to list me, during which period I’m sending them traffic, is dropped from my submission list.

@a question on the hand submitter's

how long you need for a hand submission session for 80-100 LL's ?

Everyone develops their own system for hand submitting. Until you determine what works best for you it will most likely take you anywhere from twice to three times that time starting out.

Im submitting to 96 LL, in the beginning it takes me about 2 - 2,5 h. Now it depends what kind of music im liste... for exemple, metal 1,5 hour, classic or techno 50 minutes |headbang|

Hand submitting - currently 60 LL, takes 30min

Generally I would say 30 PR4 links over 100 PR2 strictly from a SEO viewpoint. In fact even 10 PR4 links are probably better than 100 PR2 links.

From and SEO point of view, don't worry about PR. (I'm sofa-king tired of hearing all the PR nonsense.) Run some search terms and see if the target lists are coming up in the results. Also, from an SEO point of view, it's not very smart to make a dozen copies of the same pages. So, anyone who tells you to submit to a ton of link lists and mentions PR in the same breath, has their head planted firmly in their ass.

Who says your useless? That's damn good advice there. |thumb

Even if you were just wanting a higher pr, for whatever reason, isn't it hard to say which is better without knowing how many other links are on the page.

Maybe all the pr 2 sites have 50 outgoing and all the pr 4 sites have 550 links going out. Aren't there just too many factors to guess which is more beneficial?

It takes me 20 minutes or so to submit. I use notepad open with the url and the description then copy and paste. The most time is spent on originally finding the webmaster submit url section and filling in the verification codes.

You can save a little more time by making a folder on your desktop and putting all the submit page urls on an html page. I have one page for each niche since they are all different. :D

I usually do 100 LL, but Im looking to my server stats all time time to drop out the ones that send me almost no traffic

They do not necessarily need to produce duplicate pages though, UW.
If someone is worried about the duplicate content penalty they could always vary the other entrance pages so that they are more unique as well (changing a few words around might even do it). Or even use seperate templates entirely. It would be a little more work, but is doable.

Don't have to do it to every warning page either. ;)

Lordy, that's like doing 10 freesites a day, 9 of them for a tiny amount of traffic. Just because you happen to have the content cropped and ready, pretty much.

I currently submit to 10-14 lists. I go for the ones that send the most traffic + a couple that only require one link in the recip table. I don't want to submit to LL's that require 2 backlinks for a negligable amount of traffic. The way I see it, 2 links for 1 does not make good SEO sense, so a LL needs to compensate for that with enough traffic.

That said, I now have help in the freesite department from my brother-in-law. We may try the mirror sites to dozens of LL's approach with a few FS in the future, and see if that generates more sales. No way am I going to start tweaking text and creating different ones though. We'll just see if the cons outweigh the pros or the other way around. Might even make this into a proper experiment and post the results here.

I think you might be suprised at the results of submitting to multiple sets of lists. I've had pretty good luck with it myself. As far as mirroring sites and making the pages unique, I use tokens in my templates and do a search and replace in my html editor. %title%, %root%, %domain%, %kw1%, %kw2%, etc. I can mirror a site 4 times and make the uppercase lower case changes usually in 5-10 minutes. It's really not that hard with a little thought put into it. ;)

But then you go back to time consuming and would the time be better used making another new site which could be submitted to the top 40 and send greater traffic. Not only that in terms of SEO it would be far greater have another site than a mirror.

Well, I guess it depends on what one wants to do. With the freesites I know a lot of them have rules saying only one submit a day. If a person does not have anything else to do, then I guess it wouldn't be a big deal.

I know I have around 1,000 freesites/AVS sites (many with different "warning pages" that vary only by the AVS script or different recips) that I set up over the years.... about 10 templates.... Many of which were made from starting with a previous one and only changing only what I absolutely needed to. I wish I would have done this the right way from the start instead of being lazy. I am fairly certain the duplicates have hurt my rankings a bit. If had it to do all over again, I wouldn't cut corners. But I am glad that I did submit to the other AVSs and freesites. Over the years I have recieved a considerable amount of sales from this. |twocents

But I guess this is one good thing about this field/business: We each are in our own drivers seat so to speak and are free to make our own calls. Situations and preferences different for each one of us.