Heads Up About ModX Program
 

This is just a heads up about the program modfxnetwork.com that runs a few model sites using ccbill. They do NOT pay on rebills, only on initial sale. So if you're pushing Hanna Hilton, Jaime Hammer or any of their other model sites you are being ripped off. Not only are you not being paid on rebills but they do not pay on zip photo sets they sell on the site too.

And they don't care about it. Here's an ICQ log from a friend of mine:

"friend": i send u a sale.. and it rebills.. i dont get credit on it
modFX Info: correct...
"friend": thats insane how the hell is that fair
modFX Info: then don't promote us
"friend": i wish i had paid close attention in the first place
modFX Info: find someone that will do 50/50 then

You know Ramster, that does suck. But, I have never been a big fan of not reading at least the sign up page. The first sentence of the webmaster sign up page says..."Sign up to my Affiliate Program today and make 50% on all initial signups!"

I know that it is so unusual for something like that people may not even notice. But, you can't say they didn't warn you. :)

As for the icq...that is just poor business skills.

I agree that the "support" could be a whole lot better. And only paying 50% on initial signups seems kind of silly to me.

I think it is foolish as well. Something someone would do that was in it for the quick buck. Not looking ahead even a couple of months.

I agree, read the page. I did not signup myself. But as a webmaster you see these pages all the time and once you see 50/50 the rest is kind of blurred to most of us since we see it all the time. And sometimes things just do not register as you "skim" over the text. This is why I am posing so people are aware.

I agree 100%. I would imagine that this program counts on people just skimming the page. :) The next thing you will see is a program saying "Get paid nothing for initial signup" and people will still sign up. :)

I'm guilty of this myself, I have signed up to many different programs without reading the signup page details. Guess I should start... :D

I deal with alot of independent amateur sites. I love them dearly, but many aren't all that computer savvy. So after being burned more than once on zero rebills, I'm now in the habit of logging in to the CCBill admin and checking the site settings in the Tools section before I even go fetch any FHG links. You'd be surprised how many say on their webmaster signup page that they pay on all rebills but the CCBill settings say zero instead of unlimited. :(

Just wait until you start seeing affiliate programs charging a fee to the webmaster for allowing him to sign up.

Someone has to cover the costs of checking out all the fake webmasters with no adult sites, and those who are trying to sign up for multiple accounts, or using fake ID information, and all the other tricks that scammers try to pull. Plus there's the management of all those who signup but never send any traffic. So I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more invitation-only and 'fee-to-join' affiliate programs (unless you're reasonably well-known with a good bit of traffic of course).

Actually, I wouldn't mind paying to join a program if that actually guaranteed some things, like more transparent stats, higher payouts with no processing fees, allowed email campaigns, longer cookies, and more important, potentially a lot less competition promoting the program and its sites.

Not that we're thinking of going that route, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some other programs doing that one day.

If a sponsor can find a way of fucking you then they will in one way or another.

It doesn't cost them anything to check traffic sources but they don't give a fuck because at the end of the day it's $$ that count.
The adult insutry is the most self destructive business going because sooner or later it will be a case of enough is enough due to the excessive spam and scams.

Evidence of which is the ever declining ratios.

I have a couple of fetish wear paysites in the very early planning stages. One thing that is already settled is that the affiliate program portion will be strictly by invite only.

It's always nice to see someone more cynical and angry than me. |boobies|

Damn - 50% of initial sale and 0% for recurring? Not even worth the time to put a link up. Though I have seen worse recently. Yes, even worse. I like to think that some owners just don't know how to properly set up their program in the CCBill admin, but in ModX's case, they are obviously just cocksuckers (allegedly).

lol i'm not angry at all, cynical yeah because i tend to look into things alot more now than i used too.

I look at the huge payout promotions and think, i wonder who that will attract and most of all who is most likely to win them.

Domains on free content and think, what if someone downloads a pic or video and a day or so later decides they want to see more so types the url in.

I see lots of sponsors making huge amounts of money etc and webmasters barely making minimum wage.

Surely it pays to be cynical?

You'd be amazed at how many programs have their ccbill setup for zero rebills - and as for checking smaller sites - I know of one that pays 10% on initial signups and 0 rebills

Shit - where do I sign up? :D

Yes, YOU really need to talk with her about that. :)

Well, I got burned on that one, thanks for the heads up!
Too bad because Jaime Hammer has made some sales for me :(

I ain't fucked any of my affiliates... not yet anyway - know any cute ones that will sign a release |jester|

Our current CCBill settings

Base Percent Payout: 60.00
The Base Percent is a fraction of the sales amount generated through affiliate referrals; the percentage is paid to the referring affiliate. To offer a combination of percentage and dollar amount per sale, enter values in the Base Percentage Payout and the Base Dollar Amount fields. Enter percentages as 25, not 0.25.

Recurring Payment: Yes
Select Yes to offer a portion of the recurring sales to your affiliates. If No is selected, affiliates will only receive payment from the initial sale.

You can reward Affiliates percentages for sending new sign ups to the Affiliate Program. This reward comes in the form of a percentage of each Affiliate's net. The amount paid to the Affiliate comes from the subaccount website's gross earnings. This gives existing Affiliates incentives, allowing the CCBill client to receive more revenue. The system tracks the payouts accordingly. This option is disabled by default.
Enter Percentage 5.00 %
Enter a percent in the Enter Percentage field that is located in the Affiliate Bonus Program screen. Click Submit to update CCBill's system.

Sorry papagmp, i wasn't questioning your honesty or anything and i'm sure people can vouch for other sponsors.

Like the AFF thread, there are a few sponsors that are not as honest.

Oh hell - I wasn't offended at all.

I feel the best path is the open and honest path.

If there is a potential question on my program, I feel it's best to get it answered. This thread reminded me to check my CCBill data and make sure I hadn't missed anything.

I'm still learning so any help I can get is appreciated.

Must be nice to have enough affiliates to say " find someone that will do 50/50 then"

Thats what I was thinking. Maybe they think they can be assholes and it won't get around?

I don't see how these places stay in business.

I can see where Ramster is coming from, I'd see the 50/50 and probably not think about the rest. It's pretty standard for most recurring programs, so most people don't stop to think about it. Guessing they worded it as such on purpose?

If it's who I'm thinking, I agree with Ramster. Put that Linkster charm to work! Even I won't work for 10%

FUCK! thanks for the heads up guys, i totally bypassed this part aswell:

Sign up to my Affiliate Program today and make 50% on all initial signups! Payouts are made out to you every week by my billing provider, CCBill. To join, simply follow the steps below

SHIT! i'll make sure i dont push them anymore than i already do :(

Wow. Just saw this post. I just had an experience with these guys, as well.

Their "designer" called me the other day to discuss getting an affiliate program together (and he did mention that they don't do recurring). He was asking me questions and interrupting me before I could really finish. He felt the need to tell me he designed and maintained ALL of their sites at least 4 times. I do the same thing, so I was not impressed.

He finally exited the conversation by saying that I must be dealing with beginners and they were WAY beyond beginner status. Why do they have a busted ass affiliate program and have no idea how to go about marketing one if they are SO far above & beyond the rest of us? Incidentally, my client list includes Sunny Leone, AVN and Python. I would hardly call these entities "beginners".

I have to say, thumbs down on those guys for sure.

That's tough. I saw that a while back when signing up for some affiliate programs and I just moved along.

Indignancy and arrogance have always been tools of the cockholster.

i just posted this on ADX aswell, most ppl didnt even know this

wow
i remember modfx guy from back in the day he seemed cool, this is reallly not cool.

Well... it looks like either they or changing their sites to a 50/50 now, or at least two of their programs have. The one for Hanna Hilton is showing a 50% initial and 50% recurring now.

I'm still not signing up though!

Funny how that happened shortly after a thread on a public board was started. hhmm....

My guess is that the motivation for ModX to make the changes came from the other side (the models) who may have been made aware of the situation due to the public discussions. But, what do I know?

I must admit that when I first made my affiliate thingy, I didnt do the recurring thingy and only offered 25 % ! lol, that was only like a week ago I filled it out and then after searching around and noticing most everyone was offering 50 percent I changed it and also to recurring! What about that base Pay ..Base Dollar Payout: Do you all offer that also? If so, how much??? I havent noticed anyone else offering it in my travels yet.

Thanks,

from a fast learning newbie, thanks to this board!

DK |santa|

Love the gloves - Your site has a LOT of traffic leaks. Most of the affiliates arent going to sign up or send you traffic with those.

Pay Per Sign up is a good way to go broke when your just first starting out. I know several established programs that wait about a year to take some of their sites to PPS.

Them models can get FIESTY!

I had to google "traffic leaks" lol........I had a feeling that wasnt good..me havin all them banners all over the place! But the ones on the first page are what brings me visitors (toplists) and the more people click on those the higher upon the toplist I go and therefore get noticed more....please give me advice....some of them require first page but most dont.

I already have a page strictly for friends/affiliates etc.

It is almost full.

Should i make another page for the toplist banners only? This sounds so stupid, in fact i know the answer is yes...but tell me anyway....and Should I get rid of the black label ad sh_t?

Please offer any advice, but if your mean Ill cry or spank you , depending on my mood lol.

I sent you a PM. dont want to get off topic but I thought youd like to know.