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AFF (A possibly productive thread)
Hey Everyone!
Long time no see. |waves| Believe it or not AFF just hired me (as of this Monday) to start working on their affiliate program. Anyone who remembers me from my personal site knows that I am EXTREMELY dedicated to fair, clean programs. What would be super helpful to me is if I could get constructive feedback and suggestions on what would help make the program work well for you. What didn't work before? What keeps you away? What would you like to see changed/added? What would bring you back/ Get you involved? I especially would love to hear from Greenie (I miss you! Say hi to the Marylous!) My friendfinder contact info is: email is hpowers@ffn.com. yahoo ffwildchyld ICQ 437644867 Anyone who doesn't want to post here is more than welcome to email me there as well. |
Doesn't seem to be a lot of love for the AFF company on this forum.
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HEY! I know you |waves|
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Seriously - and not to bash you & if we were face to face I'd ask the same question. Did you not know about the problems? Do any searches on webmaster boards? The problem that sticks in my mind is Zango. I give Lars credit for not telling lies about it, but when you admit to using it & endorsing it and then, when he did pull the accounts, he told everyone that he only did it because it was no longer profitable - not ONCE acknowledging that Zango allows people to steal traffic from legit webmasters like you and me. There's more - hell, I tried to sign up years ago & emailed support & I'm still waiting for an answer to what I thought was a simple problem. Love ya :) |
Let's not forget about how AFF doesn't mind profiting from the ILLEGAL tube sites.
Not only will I not promote AFF, I will not accept any gallery, free site, or blog which promotes AFF. |
Hello from the Lou's WildChyld :)
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I'm asking on this forum especially because I know you guys will tell me exactly what the major problems are and I trust you all :)
Sometimes being in the building can help make a difference, sometimes not. If I find that I can't fix any of the problems here I won't stay here. I think you know me better than that :) Warrior - so harsh!!!! Still love ya though |
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I don't think you can fully grasp how much hatred we have for AFF. I personally don't promote anything associated with it - cams.com, Penthouse, etc - Lars is too greedy. |
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WilyChyld, I understand that you're trying to make a difference. But in regards to AFF, at least for most of us here, that ship has long ago sailed. |
I was teasing warrior ;)
I'm still going to try to see what I can do here. If anyone has an extra 100k burning a hole in their pocket and they'd rather me work for them instead of the enemy I'm always up for suggestions :P I have to work mainstream for a while so that I can afford to start my sex ed nonprofit! |
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I searched google really quick to get the particulars on the newest lawsuit and I couldn't find it among the ripoffreports and other lawsuits. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...awsuit&spell=1 |
Sigh!
Thus far I've found that there are some things that are true complaints and others that don't seem to be as accurate. If I immediately dismissed every company that people talk badly about I'd never work anywhere. Most recently I was at goodvibes.com where I really did think I would be able to make a difference and was doing some great advocacy work...that was until they got bought out and everything changed. |
This thread needs me to be real.
Greenie can I have a hall pass to be frank? |
Epic Cash doesn't like AFF either
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But hey, if you can spin it positive for them for $100k, all the best to you. It won't change the current attitudes of ethical webmasters though. |
Look, you had a great product in the early years that had a lot of free features for your visitors. Webmasters could send visitors there knowing the experience would be good for everyone involved. Happy surfers spend more money on both sites. When you start cheating webmasters, they start pulling ads, then the rumors start, and surfers begin to get wary.
Problem really is AFF/Zango has screwed the very population it relys on, and I don't think there really is any going back. Will I actively promote them again? Nope. Casually, on some sites, maybe, but not actively and if I do it is only because it is still decent on the free level. I do think the Silver/Gold is overpriced and isn't really sticky enough. What can you do to win me back? Strip the crap, play by the rules, and develop a track record for playing fair. Can you do it? Doubt it, though I do applaud you for trying. |
You do know that they don't work with Zango anymore right.
That was one of the first things I asked about when they contacted me :) I've only been in their building for 3 days. Give me a little while to look around before I take sides on what's a lost cause. Thus far I haven't seen any shenanigans with the current staff. Trust me, if I DO see it, I'll be out of there in a heartbeat. |
Hiya WildChyld |waves|
I know it's not easy finding all of the many threads where AFF has been trashed on this board since you can't search for strings of less than four characters. But here are just a couple of threads you may want to check out if you haven't found these already. There were various questions, complaints, etc raised that were never addressed by anyone from AFF. http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=44185 http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=46904 . |
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I'm also wondering what you think you're going to see at the office? A secret door to a room that contains a "shave" machine? People shredding file cabinet's worth of documents the day before a trial? A datacenter where people look for tube sites that have 2 hours movies and fusker domains that hotlink pics so that they can buy ads? |
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When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page. We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe. The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed. Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld. I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller" Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not. Internal Tracking ID: 147127448_69235/ffadult webmaster@bestxxxfucksite.com |
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If you have a problem with it, don't link or submit to the site in question. |
I have to agree with PG on this, not that like AFF but what anybody does on their own site is their business, I have my own sites with my own rules and if you don't like it well, there is a lot out there to chose from. :)
Second point I don't think the owner of Smut Gremlins ever came around to say anything about AFF and then promote them, at least not that I remember. MHO - Not that I know anything. |
For everything greenie has to say about AFF its not banned a LOR. Some people have been promoting AFF for years and making good cash. If they didnt see a drop in sales when zango hit, Why would they stop promoting them. When I first came to this board, I was promoting AFF and making very good cash for a newbie. But I did find it rather hard to get link trades and make friends here while promoting them. So I stopped promoting them.
Just my measily 2 cents |
I hate AFF with a passion, all the shit they're associated with like viruses, trojans and especially spam that they obviously know about but again, don't give a fuck.
As far as promoting on illegal tube sites, fling do the same and many webmasters on here promote those too. For me it's upto an individual to promote who they like whether i like the sponsor or not, if they're making money and happy then it's upto them and nothing to do with me. :) |
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The problem I had was when newbies come here we bash em for mentioning AFF. While one of the most respected members here flew the banners. It just seemed a little odd at the time. Bringing this up now doesnt mean anything since the AFF banners are no longer on the site. |
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I was about to post the same thing Tek :)
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I am not a/your sponsor - Your recip table isnt "promoting" LL's - Its a token of appreciation from the submitter to the LL for the traffic. Quote:
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If you signed up under Smutgremlins as an affiliate, again what did you hope to prove. I don't give a damn if you signed up under a banner on my domain or not. Either way you have no right to discuss what I do or do not do on my domain! The fact that their are links to AFF on Smutgremlins is my business and they are there for a reason I am not going to discuss. Gripe all you want to about AFF if you wish, That's your choice but DO NOT mention myself or my domain in your rants. I do not want to be involved in this discussion in this manner and if I wish to make a comment in this thread I will when it suits me! I have never posted in any threads regarding AFF and that's my personal choice and my business. Quote:
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and on another note ... Sorry to wildchyld for highjacking this thread .... what I do or dont do on MY Link List in not the subject of this thread...
Please go back to discussing why or why not you like aff |
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Emerald is totally right, her LL has nothing to do with this post. |huh
I don't care what she does on her LL it's hers to do what ever she wants to. Without getting any attitude about it! |
I'd also like to say that every time I see Emmy, which is rather often, I bash her by asking if she's still doing business with AFF :D
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I mentioned you and your domain because you are a trusted member here. While this board has repeatedly said that AFF is not trustworthy. I have always looked up to you and your site. I am not trying to bash you or throw you under the bus. The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us. I hope this will get to AFF and things will change and we all can make some good money. |
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You are all perverts :P
Like you needed me to tell you that. I can promise you this much. If anyone has problems with them while I am working here I'll do what I can to fix it. Thats all I can do. I've worked with companies before that had some questionable shady past dealings. A certain bay area kinky site in particular and before I left I was able to make a few changes there that stuck including insuring the models safety through insurance, training & safety measures that didn't exist before I got there. Who knows. Maybe I'll get frustrated and bail after a week. Maybe not. Either way you'll get the inside scoop. :P |
Can yer kick LARS in the bollocks? or is that what keeps his ears apart.
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i haven't even seen Lars.
I think they make him hang out in a very quiet room far, far away from me :) |
Have you stopped the fake profile ads on the tube sites?
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I don't do ad buys but I have the ad list in front of me and I don't see anything like that. I work only with business development, affiliates & partners.
I know that they do buy on tube sites (mainly to counter sexsearch's buys) but the banners they all just look like the other friend finder banners. I hate the tube sites but let's face it, ff is a big massive business. They only care about the financial and legal sides of things, which is one of the reasons they wanted me on board, I am better at keeping people happy. You should see how strict they are on what I can make creatives out of. It's super corporate in the way things are done. They are all about covering their asses. AFF being corporate & doing business with people who kind of suck. Definitely. AFF being not trustworthy? That I haven't seen any evidence of. Trust me I'm looking. My job isn't to do day to day work on accounts but I can take them on if I choose to. If anyone has accounts they want me to look into or SPECIFIC complaints they think will change my stance I'd be more than welcome to look into them. I can also take on an account if you'd just rather have it optimized better or want me to keep an eye on things for you. Just catch me at hpowers@ffn.com. |
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