SpaCash worth a try?
 

Hi All,

Anyone has any knowledge about how SPACash converts since their new site layout with all those videos?

thought of giving them a try because they look so different from everything else!

But then again I have read a few posts about them shaving etc., but I see them in greenies stats so they can't be all that bad or what?

Kind regards
Sodo|loony|

I love the SPACash tools especially the Picture/Movie Of The Day and Banner Rotations.

I like them - and they have a handy hosted banner tool & great rewards (and yes, they convert, too lol)

If you have not yet joined the program..feel free to join under my ref link

SPAcash

Hi,

Whore - I joined SPACash a looooong time ago and they did convert very well back then.

Reading the posts about them shaving and stuff got me a bit worried, so I needed to hear good things about them from good people and now I have, thanks all :o)

Kind regards
Sodo|loony|

They fuckin' suck. You can read my experience with them HERE.

That is exactly the thread I read that made me 2nd guess SPAcash!

Hello there,

Thanks for your comments.

I must say we never shave anybody or anything. That's not the way we do our business and we're not here for the buck. We have been in business since the last 7 years and have been paid more than 100 million USD to affiliates. SPACash is a strong program and has an excellent reputation among many markets.

I don't remember exactly what happened in that moment with that thread. I'm sure in any case it would be associated with an error from our side, but never shaving. And in fact, that is a strong accusation and defamation.

If you have an doubt you can signup but yourself as many times you want with as many cards you want and you every single sale will appear on your stats.

Cheers!

Hi Pelcito,

That sounds good, I have already started sending traffic, thanks for the reassurance.

Kind regards
Sodo

No problem, you're welcome!

I had 117 sales based on what your rep tells me, and were paid for only 50...... I had two active webmasters under me who reached their required sales and I got nothing! If that's not theft, then what the fuck is? You are an honest program? Then pay up and if you don't want to pay, then shut up.

There is no accusation, that's pure fact!

Seems like you didn't second-guess it for too long. You are getting your reassurance from some unknown (to this community) douche bag and ignoring Sy's very real experience with this sponsor.

Sure, those sales may show in the stats, but you won't pay out on them -- and that's the fucking point. Do some research to find out what happened, pay Sy, and I'll gladly apologize. Otherwise, go screw.

I can fully undestand your situation and frustation. I would be in the same position if i where you. That's for sure.

What separate one thing from another is the intentionallity. I have no problem in recognize an error as we are not perfect. It could happen, and in your case clearly happen. And after reading that thread there was also a lack of communication from our support during that time that didn't help to clarify your problem.

I mean, the issue wasn't threaten as i would like it to be from our side also.

I'm not sure if you ended getting credited for your sales or not. But if you don't, please contact me at ICQ: 25554233 and we will find the final solution for your problem.

Useless Warrior, I 2nd guessed them until I saw Greenie writing that he's is ok with SPAcash....I don't know if you'd call him unknown! I am not here to start a dogfight, I already started building sites promoting SPAcash after Greenies post - I don't know Sy, nor pelicito....but I know Greenie :o)

Kind regards
Sodo|loony|

pelcito, NO I have not seen a cent.

I actually liked what the program had to offer, but why I should I continue sending traffic if I am not getting paid? I brought this to public because honesty, your support sucks. I would never go public with this kind of issues unless I have exhausted all options, and in this case, I did.

I mean just look at that thread. You have someone who asked me twice to contact here about this issue, and when I send her an email, she says "what do you need from me?"


To Sodo, some programs are smart enough not to fuck with well known webmasters such as Greenie, because of the exact same replies they would need in case someone bitch about them on public board. (This is a general comment and has nothing to do with SpaCash or Greenie).

Hey Sy, yes I'm sure those kinda people are out there, thankfully I also know that Greenie would back up most people here if a sponsor that he uses fucks with them for a no good reason, I've read a lot of posts where that happened. Sy I really hope you're going to get what you deserve(Meant positively).

Kind regards
Sodo|loony|

Not definitly is not the way we do business. We do not fuck nobody. I don't know how other programs do, but we do not fuck our affiliattes. I'm here for the long term, and again not for the buck. If i would run for that model i wouldn't put much energy, focus and details on our program on daily basis as i do.

CrazySy please contact me at ICQ (25554233) to solve your issue and assure you're getting paid asap. And let's solve this as it should be.

Cheers.

Just to make one thing absolutely clear I did NOT say you guys fucks with anybody...I want to be absolutely sure you understand that.

Kind regards
Sodo

I'm a long time affiliate with them but i never made big money with them.

They suck big time.. worst ratios/conversions I've ever seen.

Ok,

We have been looking at this issue. Before posting here i wanted to talk with the affected affiliate. That's why the reply took a little.

1. Regarding the referrals that he claim we found that they were not paid at $150 because it wasn't specified on the link he sent the sales at. There are two options fee=flat and fee=commission. By default even if you don't put it is commission (8% commission) and that is what he gets. If the link was promoted with the fee=flat those $300 would appear. Those options are available at the SPAcash page where you get the links and banners for referrals.

2. About the sales is about the same situation. He made 117 trials but not all of them converted to PPS. SPAcash as many affiliate programs have a policy of getting the new member at least 4 hours to consider him a trial. To make it clear: a PPS sale is considered so after a member stays 4 hours and didn't cancel it. This is now new and something well-known for many of you.

When tony told him he got 117 trials he thought that he owe him the other part. But actually wasn't the case. Other programs would never tell you the real trials you actually made.

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Then we can discuss and talk about if the program was or not converting at that time. That's another talk and sure not the same that those "stealing" claims i read on the thread.

In any case we never took the money of anybody here.

Cheers!

I'm curious, is this standard? Do other sponsors do this?

I'm not sure if it's a standard but many program do this.

I made a typo: it was "not new" instead of "now new".

Well, pelcito, I am glad you made these clarifications. While your program has nice sites, I do not like your policies and will not promote due to that.

The only thing we settled was the webmaster referral issue, I had grabbed the only link I saw and now being told that was not for a flat fee. I take that as I am not 100% sure if I had other options at that time. I will make a post later with some numbers that will make you scratch your head. I have to finish some work now, but I will be back with those numbers soon :)

First I've heard of it...

So if a surfer signs up for a trial, checks out the members area, decides to upsell to site X and cancel the trial within 4 hours, the sponsor makes money and the affiliate makes 0?

It deppends if converts or not.

If you want a piece of every time a surfer spend money, the best is to promote rev share. PPS is a method to get fast money and create a balance between the sponsor and the affiliate.

Or, they join and find out the only thing in the members area is nothing but shitty content!


Yes, Pel and I had a chat on icq and as I mentioned, I am going to leave the webmaster referral issue alone as it was explained to me.

A few of the issues we talked about:

1- In his own words, Pel says he has made "dozens million dollars"

And I say, so did Bernie Madoff!

2- Pel told me I am accusing his company and he also told me I'm using extortion to get money from him.

Now, you can use all those legal words as much as you wish. They are neither scaring me, nor intimidating me and as you know, you can always take legal route and we can have it settled in the court of law.


3- He thinks he is not responsible for his employees action, and I think that's a shitty business. You hire them to represent your company and promote your product & services, and you are responsible for their action.

Now, I am going to skip the rest of what we talked about and jump into the numbers I was talking about.

They claim that all the sales I was not credited for were trials and didn't convert to monthly membership (which is a Pay Per Active program and not PPS), however, all this time, I have had issue figuring the following:

jan- 6 transactions, pps, all canceled with in trial
Why did I get paid for 5 if all 6 canceled?

feb- 21 tranactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 13 if 18 canceled?

march- 13 transactions,pps, 8 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 7 if 8 canceled?

april- 16 transactons, pps, 10 canceled within trial
I got paid for 6

may- 26 transactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 10 if 18 canceled?

june- 12 transactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial
I got paid for 3, what happened to the other 3 that didn't cancel?

july 15 transactions, pps, 10 canceled within trial
I got paid for 4, what happened to the other sale that didn't cancel?

aug- 8 tranactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial
Why did I get paid for 4 if 6 canceled?

I have asked a few of the reps including that useless Gerard, did all these cancel within 4 hours? and the answer was "We can not disclose those information" (actually Gerard didn't even fuckin' bother to reply to me). Honest people tell the truth while the dishonest ones hide it.

Nobody answered me when these questions were asked and numbers don't match. I don't trust SpaCash and I stand by everything I have said in the past and will continue to share my experience with anyone who asks about that program.

Time to get back to work now :)

Terrible terrible! I don't want to risk not getting paid for my hard earned traffic...good thing I did not spend too much time with them.

Thx CrazySy and sorry for questioning your bad experience this is really really bad!

Kind regards
Sodo|loony|

CrazySy,

The members area are not the same than 4 years ago. I'm not sure where did you subscribe but all our members area are practically the same and you can find unlogged at www.dvdstore.com. Is in fact, one of the biggest DVD archives around. We don't have that bad score on thebestporn or pornusers. We have even better score than many other programs that you promote.

About your breakdown of sales, you were paid that because those were trials that canceled before suscription not before the first 4 hours. That's why i told you that the information Tony gave you was wrong.

I wasn't intimidating you. You ask me for $2000 to compensate you and i told you that no way because there's nothing wrong here and your comments looked to me like extortion. I don’t find a reason why should I compensate you just because you want it when nothing wrong happen. That is simple not fair. You also told me that you were going to tell all the people your experience which is fine and that you're in fact in your right to do so. But what you can't do is to say that we stole from you because that is not true and that is defamation. Simple as that.

We can continue all day long with this issue but honestly tell you that i'm getting fucking bored of fighting with somebody who only wants to see what he wants to see and we are never going to get to a point.

You clearly hate us. I tried to be polite all the time, but ok, I can live with that.

Where did I ask for $2000?

As you can see, I said "I would have handled this diferently, all for just over $2000.". Could you please point me to where I said give me $2000?


I can't and won't tell people what to do as it's none of my business, I tell them my story and they can make their own desicion.

I am done with this, Sodo asked a question and I answered.

Sodo, no hard feeling man :D

You're not at any risk with us. A lot of people work with us, we have over 2000 active affiliates, 100 million USD paid and over 7 years on several markets. With all are our markets convined we're in fact one of the biggest programs around.

Here he have the same guy with some big hatred telling again the same when has been already clarified just because he can't afford to say "ok, you were probably right" and prefer to be shown as heroe in front of the community. Even if he's not right on what he said.

Just make your own evaluation based on facts and dot not guide only by the words of guy with a high level of emotion on his words.

I don't want to sound arrogant as well, i can understand part of his frustation of not getting reply to his questions in several months. That is complete understood by me as well.

Sure sounds like Pay Per Active to me when you only pay if they continue. PPA programs pay much larger on signups. Just look at all those $100+ webcam programs.

Also all your pages all indicate that the programs are PPS, not PPA.

4 hours is not PPA. Is what most program do under PPS such as Nastydollars.

And you cannot compare webcams with paysite memberships.