Thank You Yahoo!
 

Recently, Yahoo renames it's spider Slurp - excuses Google as an associate and comes up with it's own Keyword/Relevancy acidtest.

Well, what else - Google, Ask, Yahoo and many of the larger search engines are changing. MSN admits it's mistake in not taking the SE wars seriously, by not developing search processes to provide to it's users. But vows it will catch up to the others soon.

Well, no matter, some of us have seen increased traffic while others have seen decreased traffic. I for one say Thank You Yahoo - you sent me 8 new members today.

Yahooo!

Nick

Congrats on the 8 sales from SE traffic. Funny you should mention it. Not to long ago while on another board There was a brief discussion about SE traffic and what you need to do to get a good PR and one of the 'old timers' made a statement something along these lines
"You mean people actually STILL worry about SE traffic?"
That pretty much ended the conversation as he was trying to make anyone thinking about it look rediculous.
Now I will admit that I certainly do not spend hours and hours tweaking this or that to try and squeeze my PR up 1 point. I may throw in a half way descent meta and plant a couple of good keywords at the top of my pages now and then, but I certainly do not think I have the luxury of dismissing SE traffic out of hand. 8 new sales from SE traffic alone? Well HELL YEAH YAHOOOOOOOoooooo!
You know there are some people in this biz that cannot make that in a day off of TGP submits. I say keep doing what your doing |rock||yourock

spaz

Very Nice...congrats!

Congrats

Re: Thank You Yahoo!
 

Ummmm - Slurp has been around for ages - it's the Inktomi spider - Yahoo just owns Inktomi now :)

Ah yes...
 

...the things we do for traffic and sales.

Like the old song the Things We Do For Love! lol

I agree spazlabz, it is not worth the effort to go through a painstaking task of revamping your site, just to get noticed by the search engines. And little things, that we do to bring in the traffic seems to suffice for some of us or even most of us.

Although I am not trying to walk in the rain nor the snow, a little strut down the SE lane, doesn't seem to hurt. Ideally though, it is becoming more of a benefit to get noticed by them. Especially with all the changes going on, with a lot of heavy duty SE players.

Linkster, yes, Yahoo owns Inktomi. And it did rename it's spider to "Yahoo! Slurp" and from what I am getting from many of their changes, after acquring Inktomi, they unexpectingly dropped Google search technology and come up with their own technology now known as YST or Yahoo Search Technology.

From one to two hits a day to over 40 or 50 I would say this is a hellueva change, I suspect most of you would agree. All this is to say is we are on the edge of change - is it good or bad for our industry? We can only say, with time, we will know.

And thanks for the congrats.

Nick

P.S. For further reading here is an article I dug up:

http://www.internet-explained.com/

More news or help on Yahoo's changes can be found at:

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/
http://news.google.com

As always good luck!

I'll second that.....made two sales off of Yahoo today. I lost nearly 60% my listings in Google after the Florida farce :( Whatever I had been doing for Google Yahoo loves and I have picked up some serious traffic since. Long may it last.

BTW - Linkster - what code do you use to get the ARS button to show properly in your sig?

Umm Yahoo sucks the big one!

Search for "dangerdave"

- no dangerdave.com.au site/page exists
- no dangerdave.com site/page exists
- a listing in the top ten is for a page that has bee 403 for more thatn a year on an ozemail server!
- etc.....

Yeah Yahoo/Inktomi rocks.. NOT!

DD

I can't find a link on yahoo the put my site in the list

yeah i can choose suggest a site but then it goes to a commercial add (299$)


thx in advance

tb

DDave - we're all in the same boat - no link-o-rama, linkforsex or hoes either :( the results for the main keywords we all go for look like pre Google Yahoo hand indexing - the rest is a partial of the Inktomi database - every other domain I have is in there except the one main one - and its the same with GG - he's got all of his mirrored sites in there - but no sign of the real LOR

Celtic - you cant use the java link - have to make it into regular html

Only for awhile!
 

DD - I would not judge anything on search engines right now. Things are very unstable. In fact, the good results "some of us" may be experiencing in Yahoo's case, is indeed a temporary one.

Linkster, you got a pretty good grip on things as far as Yahoo and Inktomi go, but the "key" ingredient you are missing is this:

And the $299 outlay isn't even a guarantee to be listed.

Where some of us benefitted is with our relationship with Inktomi,
pre-yahoo. teleblade here's a back door url at least for now:

http://ink.ineedhits.com/

Many of us will benefit from the Yahoo/Inktomi relationship until April 15th, 2004. At which time we do not know what Yahoo will offer us. So for those of you who are benefitting from this, enjoy the ride while it lasts - for those of you who are not - don't sweat it, like spazlabz puts it, "You mean people actually STILL worry about SE traffic?"

Soon we may all have to pay to be included in these traffic vehicles.

Nick

Cheers Linkster.

Re: Only for awhile!
 

I think the fact that I left out a few facts shouldnt make a difference - like I am in Inktomi, I do pay for inclusion through three different services, and the 299 figure is for non-adult sites - its 600 a year for adult sites - and I am in the directory at Yahoo
I am in the regular Inktomi results, as are the rest of these sites - Yahoo also has the rest of these sites in their directory and they have been there for quite some time - even pre-Google days
Im not sure why Yahoo has chosen to drop certain link lists from its web results, but it definitely has and has nothing to do with paid inclusion, free inclusion or directory standing. We are also in the other SE that Yahoo bought and still rank in the top for all of the major keywords, would love to see that SE's results get brought in to the mix as well

Yahoo has been good to me lately!

creamxtreme,

Believe it or not I have a fairly good grasp of what search engines do, maybe that's why I moderate the SE board here!

Possibly you could chose your words more carefully when posting... I didnt write an essay as I was just pointing out a fact that(as linkster said) is actually well known.

DD

Re: Only for awhile!
 

Unstable?

Do you wanna see how unstable I can get?

Some of the better minds in adult search engine marketing post here, including DangerDave and Linkster....

and you're posting links to "ineedfuckinghits"??

Yahoo has been decent to me lately as well.

Soggy, MatrixFan
 

Thanks guys for sharing this with us and I am happy to hear of your favorable responses from Yahoo.

Always great to hear - someone is doing fantastic somewhere.

Nick

Re: Thank You Yahoo!
 

Mind blowing perception.

A lot of what I've seen you post has been copied from free SEO email newsletters.

Urb, I don't Get SE Newsletters
 

Nor do I read them.

So if this is a phrase from a SE newsletter then maybe they copied off me.

And I highly doubt it is verbatim, (if your puny little brain knows what that means).

You know like I said all along here on this board - I thought it was a respectible board, so I joined. As the days roll on and the morons who reply to posts, much like yourself, only prove to me, that it is nothing more than a glorified GFY board.

Plagurism is against the law, if you feel I have committed this crime, report me to the proper authorities. The next time you slander me, you'll be discussing matters with my attorney.

NOTE: You or any one may have their opinions, and this is fine, but if you directly attack me or anyone else, it goes beyond opinion and becomes a matter of fact and truth. What you have stated here is not an opinion. You are directly claiming that I have been copying other people's material. A statement that supposes you know definitively that this is fact and it is not.

Now, I will deal with your differences of opinion, but I will not deal with your lies, not from you or anyone else in this industry or on this board. At present, I'll act like this is an act that was a mistake. But I guarantee you, if you carry it on, instead of you and me meeting some day in a nice setting, you will not like where we do meet.

My suggestion right now is you publicly apologise as you felt so freely to publicly lie about me. If not fine with me, but if you say another twisted word about me - watch and see what happens.

You are correct, it's not verbatim, plagiarism rarely is (but at least I can spell it). As for legal action.... you can do whatever you wanna do about that.

My main problem is with your attitude towards people who you know very little about.

Do you understand the word condescending? Because that is how you are coming across on this board. You mentioned the word "morons" as a plural, so who else has replied to your posts on this board who you consider to be a moron?

My opinion is that you have very little respect for anyone; which is illustrated by your lack of manners towards the people who post here.

You are posting as if you are a seasoned professional search engine expert, correcting people, who you do not know, about a subject which you appear to know very little about.

Why do I think you know very little about search engines?

Well your link list which has been online since May 18th 2003 (and has appeared on the side of your truck) has only a handful of backward links and you are not even in the top 1,000,000 sites with regard to traffic

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...reamxtreme.com

This in itself is not really a big issue, I understand that it's hard to kickstart a link list. BUT it becomes an issue when you try to hand out search engine advice to people who have superior knowledge and many years in this field.

Yeah - I'll have to agree. The Yahoo SERPs suck ass - regardless of weather you are getting more traffic out of them or not.

My main site, which is my best one, is nowhere to be found. A bunch of my little, crappy free sites - a lot of them have top rankings.

Internet users will tire of shitty yahoo resurts and will go back to google with time.

I'll address the first issue in this fashion, I do not see me coming in and calling people all sorts of idiots and trashing them cause they have an opinion about a subject.

However, it has been the mo (modus operandi) of several of the members of this board. I come in to discuss clean Clean subjects. Not go back and forth over who is or isn't an ASSHOLE, (IMO).

People have their beliefs and their own way of discussing matters, it is not my duty to tell them how stupid they are nor would I ever engage in such an act.

When I started online I started with Newsoffice.net - SEO. Now let me see what was the phrase, hmmmm. Oh yea, Advertising, Marketing and SE Concepts. Here, I uploaded a page:

http://www.creamxtreme.com/search_engines.html

And formerly housed this site on hypermart but they failed to send me any billing info and screwed me out of my account - I lost tons of info. But SE's are changing and it wasn't worth going to find another server that quickly - then I was also involved heavily in this industry and felt it was time to change what my news would be about.

So please spare me the BS about who has superior knowledge than whom. Personaly I do not nor would I ever blow smoke out of my ass, like some people. Incidentally, newsoffice was started in 2000 March and will expire in about 2 weeks.

I used to write the book on SE's and much research was done prior to writing anything anywhere. I ran (owned) a news company and I knew what the legal ramifications were with it. And writing about Google, Yahoo, some little mom and pop shop or whomever, you did not want to make no mistakes. They would be costly.

XXXjay sorry to hear about your's and other's misfortune with Yahoo. I noticed your replies on another thread. A little note:

I am happy with your traffic, so please, please don't ban me. And I would hope this shake out shit would cease, so we can all begin to get a better picture of where we stand with them.

This way we can all go back to SEOing again with some sort of end/goal in mind.

Nick

P.S. I held the #1 spot on Extreme Porn Links for the longest time, with Google. The asshole that I am, I went and tried something with .shtml instead of html and now they frown upon me. Guess this is one I missed in grade school. LOL! Seems they can not cache the inclusive stuff. |sad|

But no matter how much you know about SE's there is always something new to learn.

P.S. Incidentally, urb, another thing, CreamXtreme and Newsoffice are just a couple of sites I own. I can not really say how many I do own but I'd say it is more than 5 and I own some of the best names there is to own in the adult industry. Which I am very pleased with. Thank you!

You called me a moron and puny brained a minute ago.




So tell us about some of the best names there is to own in the adult industry then. Or did hypermart eat them too?

... and all becomes clear... |banghead|

Urb listen you glorifiy what you want...
 

...but here since you use alexa data:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...aredomains.com

A year ago it was in the 80,000's but if you were paying attention and since I can't reference other boards, I wrote an article on this too, in July last year. Entitled "Alexa's Sad Story" soon there after the SE's started with their changes.

Now again, since you wish to mince words, I start threads to discuss subjects not come in and call people names. If however, I must, I am not beyond doing so. I do not wish too, but if need be, I have no problem doing so.

I did not begin to directly attack you, you began it with your slanderous remarks. Again, I have no problem going back in forth on matters, that have substance, I do not see a need nor any benefit to engage in calling people names or trying to make them look bad so I myself look good.

Welp, the good news is, is when I went to college for psychology I maintained a B average, the sad news is, I am not the one to deal with anyone's personal inadequacies and I have great sex almost daily - so I do not see myself in need of any professional help.

Oh well, it is a hard life, what are we going to do with it?

Hmmmm, I guess I'll live it!

And live it fully.

Nick

Re: Urb listen you glorifiy what you want...
 

Being as you posted this maybe it is time to seek consoling for inadequacy issues about sex that seem to be leading to a delusional perspective about your mental health based upon the frequency of your sexual encounters.

LOL - Absolutely with exception!
 

All I know is it is a great stress releiver and shaves years off my ass.

LOL

Nick

creamxtreme,

Let's make this simple...

You started all this when you were condescending towards my friends.

You're the one who called me a "moron".

You're the one who is making claims and then side stepping my questions.

Maybe you should seek professional help with your problems ?

Here's simple!
 

Your friends, whoever they may be, came in here, not jsut in this thread but in any I have reply to or started, with their high on the horse attitudes, just as you do, and instead of discussing the subject at hand, begin to attack people personally.

For the longest time, I have heard reference to the "debasing conditions" of other boards and how certain "idiots" who flock there and post, generally do not discuss the issues at bar, but degrade the threads to nothing more than "personal grudge matches".

For being here maybe just a little more than a week, I have witnessed this. And instead of showing their genious, they show nothing more than mere stupitidy. Personally I can not see how anyone can associate themselves with people like this.

I can not see any benefit in "hooking up" with someone or anyone who believes they "know it all" and begins to "debase someone else" for their opinion on a subject, just "to make what they said look better".

Personally, if I owned this board, I would write these idiots and I would clearly make sure I knew who they were, cause it is not hard to tell, and I would say to them, listen if you can not reply to a thread and maintain the subject matter at hand, then please don't reply.

I would continue to say that "this is not" a place where you can serve up your "personal vandetas" nor "a place to glorify" what you know or who you are. It is for webmasters to come here to learn, share and benefit from membership by making associations, reading posts and even writing them.

However, I am not the owner and he does what he wishes too and he has this right to do so. But I will say this, it is quite clear that no-one or hardly anyone can really benefit from this board with a bunch of "low life goofs" engaging in "self serving rethoric" and "attacking other members personally".

It is like talking to someone where every other word is fuck. When ya walk away from the person all ya can remember about what he said is "fuck". Then ya have to ask yourself what the "fuck" was he talking about?

Then, the real pity is this, hundreds of people, not just a handful sit outside the board looking in - they read and they see what goes on. Many who may want to join, don't; because they are scared of what may happen when they do.

This decreases the value of the board in two ways:

One from no-one being able to learn a thing, then others shy away from a person cause supposed "senior members" are attacking him and they are afraid of the retribution it may bring by standing up along side him and defending him. Or doing something as drastic as banning him as a result of these attacks.

And two, from a lack of membership whereby holding down advertising revenues and holding down referer joins from buttons found on this site.

But what do I know about "value" I am just an idiot who joined this board. And in the end "you and your buddies" can scare all the members or potential new members away all you wish too, it doesn't hurt me in the least. So laugh at that!

Hah!

Nick

P.S. Pretty simple aint it?

creamxtreme,

I for one am sick of you calling me and the other people that frequent this board, 'stupid', 'idiots','morons' etc... The is one idiot here and it is YOU!

Now do eveyone a favour and Go away!

..and no that doesnt mean we want another six-page-essay fukin reply.... just go and go quietly.!

DD

PS - go and buy a dictionary!

creamxtreme - get lost please
you are an idiot

Taking a bit of a risk posting in this thread |knockout|

I just wanted to add that Yahoo sucks big time - my link list disappeared from there too... bastards!

BTW - I have sex hourly and I have REALLY got issues... (I can't get my hand back out of my panties)!

christy did you pay the 39 dollars to get in

plateman - if you're talking about the price to get into Inktomi - best I can tell it doesnt help in any way - Ive paid for many URLs through there including the LL, as well as many LLs have paid the 600 for inclusion in the Yahoo directory - they all still got dropped. I'm waiting for an answer from the Yahoo SE rep to see if it's a problem on their end or if it's an overall "waiting for a re-indexing" problem. That price will change BTW on Apr 15th when Yahoo starts their own "Yahoo web search inclusion program" seperate from their directory inclusion. That will also be the date when the Inktomi inclusions will no longer be included as part of the Yahoo search

creamxtreme,

There is a common denominator to recent unrest on this board, and it is creamxtreme.

If I want search engine advice, I would put a whole lot of faith in DangerDave, Linkster and xxxjay. But I guess you know better than the professionals?

And while I'm at it... where did I ever "glorify" myself?!?!?! I haven't boasted or made any claims about myself I cannot substantiate. You have absolutely no idea who I am, or what I do in this business.

Why do you not answer my direct questions? You say, and I quote...
That's a big claim to make, and I suspect you are not telling the truth, and such a statement could only come from someone who is attempting to "glorify" themselves.

I've seen you on other boards asking people to download .exe files (a very dangerous thing to do) and talking about how you painted your URL on the side of your truck. I've seen you talk about Netpond and then admit that you didn't know it was a message board. How can you claim to be a successful adult webmaster when you've never heard of Netpond's message board?

A little knowledge is very dangerous creamxtreme! We've had samples of your deluded perception of search engine strategy, auto submission scripts and Link List free host rules. So please do me the favor of reading and absorbing this...

You are being attacked on this board because you are posting with "authority" on subjects you know very little about. The reason people are getting upset with you is because webmasters may come in here and believe something you have written, which may stump their income.

I guess I just don't know that much about this biz (to my surprise) and especially the SEs - I was totally surprised at what was posted by this expert on some other boards - and worst of all - was taken as gospel by some poor newbies that had no clue that this creamxtreme was more uninformed that they were and probably have wasted an awful lot of time following his advice.

I noted his first appearance at a new board a little over a year ago - with a post trying to find what SEs to submit to - this from an SEO?

then a few months later - a response to someone having trouble with their page - Do you have a doorway page set up called robots.txt? I found this helped alot in my listings" I guess I need to reread my info on doorway pages - I thought he had posted over here that doorway pages were against Googles TOS - but them I guess it would help if you know what a doorway page is.

not to be outdone - a post a little later: Doorway pages and robot.txt and other techniques are also a plus to know. One such technique is cloaking. I have begun lessons on this technique cause as a link list operator, I have to many links leaving my site, search engines frown upon this, anything above 100 external links per page." Gee I guess I know where I would be submitting my free sites - and just so Im not accused of editing here's the rest: "So I must hide the fact I have this many links leaving my page. To do this, I have to learn how to redirect the spider to a similarly named page, but with completely different text. I'm learning"

When a newbie posts about the use of metas on tgp galleries (and for anyone wondering - yes they are recommended) - the kind helpful gentleman posts: "Trust me, there is a lot that can go wrong with metas and java on a page that most script owners, do not allow them and therefore block them upon submission.

xxxxxx, I use the meta tag redirect, for files I have changed or renamed. Then too, if 6 months to a year have passed, after submitting a gallery, they generally are removed from most TGP archives and it is beneficial to not delete the file but jsut redirect the visitor to a new file.

Here there is no problem with cheating - again becasue in most cases, that file is no longer in anyone's data base.

Xxxxx u r right, it has been the trend lately, that SE's are beginning to totally ignore them all together. But the only good they are is for the SE's that still use them - and there are some out there that still do use them.

There are a million meta tags out there - and there is too much that can go wrong with them - a script owner would have to run a script a mile long to keep them all in check. The only way to eliminate the problems with them is to look for the word meta once and reject the page without any further running of the script.
I found the best rule is - is not to include meta/java in the gallery pages I submit"

I noticed that even after a very prominent TGP owner responded saying that this whole approach was not true - you just ignored him and kept going like you knew more than all of the others posting there. It's a damn shame that so many newbies are learning the biz from people that post the "heresay" that you do, as they sure could earn a lot more money ignoring you.

I would like to know your qualifications as an SEO as I do have a little interest in the subject and I'm always looking for fresh ideas - please feel free to contact me here or any other WM board out there (unless you are correct and I would just get laughed at on most boards - guess I just didnt notice it over the years)

Phew... that's a relief, I though he meant $39.00 to get into my panties - lol (it's way less than that)!

Actually I did pay for fast/inktomi inclusion for my ll although I can't say it was really worth it, i have other domains with a lot more pages indexed there than my ll and I didn't pay for them :)

I assumed that the exclusion was simply a consequence of their dropping G's results and I'm not bothered right now, have to wait and see what happens when they get their act together!

I tried something today which may just get me added, if it works I'll let you know what it was (otherwise I won't say 'cause I hate being laughed at) - |cry|

|jester| LOL Christy - I thought I remembered you saying you had stopped wearing them :) How are things over the pond :)


Actually I did pay for fast/inktomi inclusion for my ll although I can't say it was really worth it, i have other domains with a lot more pages indexed there than my ll and I didn't pay for them :)

Im actually experiencing the same thing - it's amazing what not paying will do for you



I tried something today which may just get me added, if it works I'll let you know what it was (otherwise I won't say 'cause I hate being laughed at) - |cry|

I promise we wont laugh at you love :) but please do let us know when you see the results