Jays XXX Links Publishes Sponsor Stats
 

Jays XXX Links is now one of the top 5 adult link sites according to Alexa. I have grown tremendously and have had the opportunity to promote a number of different sponsor programs.

Often, I get hit up by webmasters asking for advice on what earns me money and which programs to push. Spending so much time on ICQ greatly cuts into my quality time at the Pink Pony. Rather than spend hours on each inquiry, only to not even deliver the factually correct information; I have assembled this helpful chart of what programs convert for me.

These are the sum of my 2004 stats, totally uninfluenced by business / sponsor politics, as they are presented to me by Revstats.

I spent a lot of time on this page, so if you find this information helpful, please be a respectful and sign up under me. Aside from time saved, that’s all I have to gain from this.

And now for the stats:
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/webmasters.html

I will update it when I have the time.

Let me be the first one to say "thanks" for posting 'em !
Now im gone to check them out !

Nice :)

Looks good Jay. I bet that does take a long time, good info. :)

What started as a "I'll take and hour or two and throw together a stats page" turned into a ten hour project. LOL

Now you know why I stopped doing them every month - LOL :D

nice to see us on your list atleast : )


i have been using extremepaychecks again , as usual my conversions are doing well |bananna|

great info! Thanks :)

Yeah - Sunny Dollars and Extreme Paychecks are both quality programs.

Both take a little tinkering to find which sites to push, but once you find what works with your traffic, you are golden.

I'm not trying to be a party-pooper here, and I've no axe to grind with Jay, but therein lies both the value and insignificance of other peoples' stats.

All sites are unique - as are their traffic and their conversions.

More than that, conversions differ between pages, and positions within pages, on a given site.

It's a noble effort, but it's of limited value.

And that applies to GG's stats too.

The Staistician was a good idea but it suffered from the same central flaw (among others) - it's horses for courses.

Sorry.

eman - no need to apologize :)

My thinking, as far as my stats, has always been that:
1 - people always asked me what was doing good & what wasn't
2 - people submit sites to me, so they want to know what's working with my traffic

I look at Jay's in the same light :)

The Statistician, on the other hand, is another subject - one good thing I will say about it is that it forced me to properly spell thestatistician.com because I never remembered to bookmark it :D

nice stats man, thanks for them :)

i just registered with guerrila traffic thru your referral link, hope i can get ya a bonus and get me some sales out of it ;)

Hopefully they won't cancel your account & tell you that your traffic sucks, like they did to me :D

that'd suck |angry|

I got one of those today! From one of LORs banned sponsors.. (feel free to say I told you so)

Actually I didn't get notice... I finally bothered to setup my payee details a week or so ago... then yesterday I suddenly couldnt log in... so I emailled them and I got this back "I believe it was for 100% charge backs"

This was a second account I was mainly sending to their hosted galleries from... so I would have liked to know if these charged back sales came from clicks off the galleries or from my sites... if it's me doing something dumb to create chargebacks with my adverts Id like to know... if it's from their gallery pages I dont give a rats ass and am more than happy to move on as they will be going broke with general traffic creating chragebacks like that from clicks on advertising they prepared inhouse anyway imho.

The account had done 7:2200 over a few months... so its not a kings ransom but having 100% chargebacks is pretty amazing I would think... I respect their right to say no thanks.. but it feels more like a "fuck you" at this end. If they suspect I am cheating I would understand no effort to notify me first.. but that doesnt seem to be the issue at all... it appears to be that they just dont give a fuck. (feel free to say I told you so again here)

Anyway, if guerilla traffic thinks similar tactics to that are ok.. I wont be trying them.

Thanks for sharing the info though Jay.. |thumb

I told ya so! :D

Actually, I can't say that, because my beef with them is just that the owner is not a nice person :)

Really useful! Looks like that stats publishing idea is spreading, I recently saw 2 or 3 posts about stats on other boards... that's great, the more information we have to deal with, the bigger the chance we have to make money off sponsors! :)

Thanks for the information, mate!

Best Regards,

Thiago Dickman |thumb

GT does have the best numbers for me.

The problem with them is that, when they started, their sites converted, but the members areas sucked. They were paying out $35 a trial and nobody was converting to full members.

They tried the same thing on me that they did GG, except I told them that it's not my problem their members areas suck and they ought to work on that.

I do know they ave made a lot of progress toward an improved members area. I always get my checks on time in full from them. I can say that.

GT might have been off to a rough start but they are improving every day.

Yeah, no kidding.

I tip my hat to you Jay on the hard work put into that, I always gave GG credit for posting his too, might be a tad bit more work than I'd like to run myself into.

I like the Per Click of Extreme on there but the hits.... puke.|sad|

Hey John, speaking of click numbers. Any chance of having your stats show frontpage raw clicks so anyone can see that extremepaychecks counts correctly.... rather than only showing second page uniques (under a column heading that says RAW) like the scammer programs always have.

Opti

Opti, Opti Opti.....

I already responded to your last mis-fired post directed at me/extreme paychecks...

Let's do this first, you dont know me personally so refer to me as Extreme John, not John... People I know and I get along with call me John, your currently not either one of those, especially when referring in a very general way to Extreme Paychecks anywhere in the same sentance as the term scammer program, they dont go hand in hand and Ill assume you wont make that mistake again.

In brief because I already addressed this issue with you:

1) We will not count 1st page clicks at this point in time because we are developing software that will show clicks for each individual page, regardless of that, we have very basic tours in most cases one single page, or even in the case of 2 pages we have tons of "tricky" style links for surfers or potential buyers to click on, we find it very agressive in nature and thats why we choose to go with second page counting.

2) There's plenty of programs that count the same exact way that we do, there's nothing wrong with it, unless your hiding it, we have never hid it and we never will, plain and simple.

If it's that upsetting to you Opti, than the only thing I could suggest is that you continue searching for a sponsor that gives you everything you want, we never said we would be all things to all people, perhaps we simply arent a match for you Opti.

That is all just lame excuses.

You push your conversion ratio rates as a selling point so you make it an issue.

Your own stats say RAW over the count column. If you are so honest with everyone why leave that there? (and it has been pointed out before on the boards)

You staff responses to email questions about count numbers make it sound like they are sick of covering for you.

Everyone else does it? Bullshit...

Nothing you said is any reason why you can't display a TRUE click count for webamsters... you simply choose not to.... Using it as selling point all the time is close to fraud imho.

It's only been 5 minutes and your already extremely funny to me my friend..

First off their's nothing to cover, WE COUNT SECOND PAGE HITS. Plain and simple, dont like it, dont use us. Cry elswhere.

I never said "EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT", so get your facts straight.

You staff responses to email questions about count numbers make it sound like they are sick of covering for you. (Your pretty talented, you can read feeling through flat text email huh?, thats a pretty amazing skill), they dont need to cover for me, there's nothing to cover.

Using it as selling point all the time is close to fraud imho.

Where did I use it as a selling point? Better yet where do we do it anytime, nevermind "All the time"??

Your a clown dude, move on. There honestly has to be something better for you to do, there's choices make one:

1) Use us because you think you might have an oppratunity to make money with us

or

2) Dont use us because you dont like how we do things.

Im going to be honest with you, I can care less which of the two you choose to do.

Damn you are demanding!

Get my facts staright.. call mr Mr. John... do this.. do that...


Ok... all clowing aside...

It is common for programs that like to shave hits to not display a raw hit count for webmasters.

Will you please do it? Nothing you have said is any technical reason not to... if you wish to use second page uniques as your standard to comapre affiliates thats fine.. but an extra column showing us what you count as us sending isnt too much to ask of an honest open program owner is it?

As stated in the other thread where you began this.

We are working on adding it into the software to show exactly how many hits go to each page of any tour.

I honestly think that is clear enough as to our direction, even prior to this issue.

May seem like a 5 minute fix, but software doesnt work that way, when it is released it will be announced at which point it will be in everyone's stats as we had previously planned.

I'm glad we agree it's a good idea then.

You may not like the way I asked... same as I dont like the way you market yourselves.. but simply answering the first question like that would have not only shut me up... I would have walked away 50 times more impressed with you personally.

Hey John - yeah but the EPC (earning per click) Exterme Paychecks is one of my best programs and I expounded to the webmasters the importance of EPC over conversion ration in the text above and and also noted that you guys do count your clicks raw. :)

If I wasn't making money with you guy then you wouldn't be anywhere near my top ten, seeing as I work with at least fifty different sponsors.

Learn to pay attention and comprehend what you read. He already told you this but you don't listen. Instead you carry on crying and attacking people you don't even know, that's a real mature way to go about your business.

touche' |jester|

Idiot.... go look after your customer service.. its probably 4 days behind.. you might have a few one line responses to send ;-)

Do you really want to keep this discusion going? I left John with the last word in the other thread..

We could start with some more questions about if John really ever plans to show webmasters an honest hit count... his last answer sounded like more double talk to me really.. but I had thought it was best to let sleeping dogs lay and see what happens.

Hey opti, I got an idea if you don't like the way we do things then don't use us! No one is twisting your arm telling you have to be an affiliate of Extreme Paychecks. We do appreicate all the webmasters out there that are sending traffic our way and for that we pay out up tp $40 per sale. Don't like it? Open your own pay sites and start your own affiliate program. This way you'll have something better to do with your time then once again attacking someone you don't even know with bullshit accusations.

Harsh accusations...

followed by a page full of extreme double talk...

I guess the accusation implied is that I think you guys do it on purpose... I still think you do... and as far as the likelyhood that you will EVER show webmaster an honest raw hit count... almost nill.

But like I said... all we can do is wait and wait and see cant we.

Let's see, here is just a short list of some of the accusations that came spewing from your mouth:

"I am sick of sponsor programs that think they can dupe webmasters. There is no reason why an affiliate program should not provide a proper raw hit count imho... unless they want to mislead the webmaster or hide shaving that is."

"Your MO is to run around skiting about your conversion ratios..."

"And you ARE NOT honest about it..."

"rather than only showing second page uniques (under a column heading that says RAW) like the scammer programs always have."

"Nothing you said is any reason why you can't display a TRUE click count for webamsters... you simply choose not to.... Using it as selling point all the time is close to fraud imho."




Now you want to come off like all you did was ask a question!
Well thats not how this all start, it's because your unprofesional, imature and apparanlty ignorant as well. If you had a question, all you had to do was e-mail Extreme John, not attack him for no reason, execpt to get your 15 minutes of fame on a webmaster board. Extreme John answered all your questions and you keep going on and on and on with no purpose but to talk shit, get over self. Your wasting everyone's time now.
And once again you don't like it, move on end of story!

Good lord...what is this GFY? LOL At least all the drama is keeping my thread at the top. :)

Opti - have you ever seen Extreme John? He's a pretty big dude. There have been times I wish there wasn't the internet separting me from someone who's attacking me! Yeah, sometimes it sucks that there boards exist only in a virtual sense...

A vicious ass-beating is often a viable business option.

I've made a lot of sales with EP, I'm happy with the numbers, I get my checks everytime / ontime, and they always reply to me when I contact them.

I don't know what your deal is with them.

The chances of me coming face to face with ExtremeJohn one day are probably pretty good... I sure hope he doesn't want to kick my ass then... but even he did, I don't think thats any reason to not say what I think..

Call me abrasive if you dont like the way I ask questions.. but I dont think you can say the point of the question was unfair. I'm pretty sure you are one person that would speak up if you had felt as I did too!

I didnt turn it into a ongoing piss... and am not the one wanting to keep it going. I dont even think its an enormous issue... Just like ExtremeChris I think if a webmaster doesnt like the program or the size of the checks they get for their traffic.. take it elsewhere. I guess I was just at the point of thinking about doing just that... this sure didn't do anything to change my mind.

*edit: and apologies for my part in the thread hijack..

Check out Jays new Stats
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/webmasters.html

How big is he Jay?

Urb, Im 3'1 and weigh 820 lbs :)

On a serious note, Jay I thank you for your input on the thread and ofcourse for using Extreme to begin with, and ofcourse im extremely happy that your happy.

Opti, I never had an issue with you bringing up a concern or a question, and I never will have a problem with an affiliate, non affiliate or anyone else bringing something up that they are curious about. It was how the message was brought up, not the message itself.

What I will say is that your little side comments and digs are what made this thread go bad, things like:

"same as I dont like the way you market yourselves"

How do we market ourselves? By purchasing advertising spots on webmasters boards like green guy and jim? or is it the buttons in our sigs that gets you bent? Thought everyone had those little things. Please dont confuse my personal response to someone's personal attacks as marketing, although you may not like my response Im honest (the same way you felt you were being when you brought the topic up), there's no rules that say I need to kiss anyone's ass, because I dont, the same way you dont have to shut your mouth and you didnt.

"I guess the accusation implied is that I think you guys do it on purpose... I still think you do... and as far as the likelyhood that you will EVER show webmaster an honest raw hit count... almost nill."

It wasnt done on purpose, it was simply the best way we could do it at that moment. As far as your "nill" statement, I guess now would be the time to zip your grill and wait and see, statements like that just go to show how little you really know about me or my program.

On the lighter side, I feel I answered the initial question, so I wont continue to waste my time backing up over it again and again, in the same fashion Ive made my point about how you went about making your point, I wont go back over that again, unless you choose to continue making remarks and accusations or little digs you think might go unoticed.

Could the next Extreme Niche be really fat midgets with amazing sun tans?|jester|

I finally have time to surf this post and read Jay's stats the talk has turned sour. My fault for not getting in here sooner.

Hat's off to you Jay for posting your stats.

My outclicks have never matched any one's raw clicks and that includes my outclicks from one of my servers to a raw counter on another one of my servers. I learned a long time ago that I can create ads that surfers will click like crazy but ratios may go from 1:100 to 1:2,000 when using those. I can do the opposite as well and take ratios from 1:2,000 and send them to 1:100. I can change those ratios without affecting the $$$ I get at the end of the day.

Isn't the important thing the $$$ in your pocket at the end of the day?

Is it just me - or am I the only one reading stats in a dark room?

EP - counts 2nd page clicks mostly
though NOT on every site - through a single email I found this out.
And I would venture a guess that a single email to EP will list what site counts what hits.

CEN, TB and quite a few more - count 2nd page hits
Other sponsors count 1st page hits.

This isn't rocket science to figure out.

Look at your 1st click sponsors - see what you're click through ratio is as an average.. add them all together to get an overview.

Look at your 2nd click sponsors - find the ratio to ADD to find an approximate 1st click ratio.

Then evaluate the sponsor.

You know Your traffic, and You'll know what is normal.

Ie 5%, 10%, 15%, 20% of my 1st click sponsors go to page 2.
So what is that ratio? And what is the inverse to multiply times?

If you're promoting through TGP only, your ratio will probably be low, but through LL and SE traffic, it may be quite high, I don't know.

I personally don't see any reason for any of this disrupt a working relationship.
Do the math - then |shake|.

If it works for you fine, if not, then it's your business decision.

This board minimizes nearly All of the GFY B, and endless posts to waste time on. I've found an email here, or an ICQ there solves 98% of problems, my own included!

(yes I do promote EP - personally my stats are not out of line with any other sponsor doing the math above - just in case you're wondering)

Opti - this message is for not only you and EP, but the many newbies and lurkers this post may supply answers too - K?

Haha - Daretwo speaketh...and comes out sounding smarter than me. LOL

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