Editorial Content
 

I just spent a few hours setting up a new editorial category to my linklist:
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/editorials.html

They are all homepages that I had previously written for Consumption Junction – my reason for adding the stuff to my site, isn’t so much to prove to the world what a genius writer I am (well, ok – I am brilliant, but genius goes a little far). My reason for adding the Editorial Content was: ***MAYBE – JUST MAYBE** it will give me the juice needed to cross the “PR 6 threshold” that seems to be applied to most adult sites with the exception of Jane’s Guide and Suicide Girls – there may be a few others.

I have PR6 now (thank you,– bow, applause) – I have a feeling this may give me the ability to cross. It may not – but fuck it, but it’s worth a shot.

Everything is stuff that I wrote and hosted on www.jays-xxx-links.com - I may list some other writers in the future. I may have just wasted a couple hours too. Who knows?

If any of you guys read the things; I love feedback – positive or negative.

|lightsabe |lightsabe

Before anyone calls me out - I see Jane's and SC have slipped a few pr points.

XXXJay
It was so kind of you to share your 'brilliant' writing skills with us all.

Your article on picking up women
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/editor..._down_mack.htm
"The Wearing-Down Mack Approach" is a sure fire winner and these methods should be adopted by men all over the world.
Classic lines like
show that you are absolutely on the ball when it comes to your attitude towards women. You go Jay, you must have the women of the world clamouring to be with you.

But my favourite approach has to be 'The Wearing Down' approach

Succeeding where millions of men the world over have failed, just by applying a bit of mathematical logic is a stroke of genius. You belong up there with Einstein and Edison.

Oh!! Hang on a sec. I didnt read the end of that article properly. Seems the 'lucky girls' got away. Obviously they know nothing about mathematics, that could be the only possible reason they would walk away from
Oh well, there is always next time |pokefun|

dallasdeb - thanks for your comments. In case you missed the alagory - the point of that is NOT to use those methods, because they don't work. :-) I guess the irony was lost on you.

I don't really care if people read them or not - I want the spiders on 'em - hopefully heavy editorializing will move me off the "pure porn" wagon and maybe I can get a better rank.

Jay..I think that the logarithmic feature of PR will require a lot more than text on the site to get to the next level....although it certainly helps in one of the some 100 aspects of the algo, the main path I would be following would be gathering as many quality links from other sites as you can (I think you already know this) as they are what will eventually push you over the top.

Looking at the adult sites that make it to a PR7, which are very few these days as you noticed, either get there through "other methods we wont discuss" or a huge amount of targetted links, which looking at the link sites, would be best in the internal pages level on your site. (just my opinion and I may be wrong but when the internal pages are 2 points lower than the root page, it usually shows the PR of the root page to be at the low end of that PR6)

That said, other than a few small benefits of the PR, I'd be more concerned with adding the text type pages to go for more rankings on keywords to make sales....a lot more important in my book and from personal experience, it doesnt take much PR to get ranked pretty high for some important keywords as long as you have good content :)

Hey jay, im sure you will get a very good SE traffic fro thsi combination "Yngwie malmsteen getting high and loaded on swedish meatballs" |bananna|

Next time I search for some Yngwie tabs for my guitar I end up on your page :)hehe

Linkster - the internals of my inside pages are a solid PR4, and have been for almost a year. I am quite proud of that. 90% of the Link Lists out there can’t boast and internal PR4 (including www.linkforsex.com – hehe, kidding just kidding – seriously, www.linkforsex.com IS one of the best LLs out there, and one of the ONLY one I consistantly submit to). The point I was trying to make is that; I know exactly how I got my inside pages to reach PR4. I had a method. I see a lot of other LL owners cutting themselves short by using PR sucking FPAs or mostly working on trading links, and not spending enough time on solid link structuring. Your site can be boosted as much from inside links as it can be from incoming links – I know this for a fact. There are some great benefits to having a good internal PR:

1. Your inside pages will get SE hits.
2. People submitting to you and getting list will have a PR4 link passed on to there site.

I also “optimized” my internal with a little bit of extra text before the links:

http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/hardcore.html

It isn’t much, but it seems to be working:

Top 10 of 553 Total Entry Pages for September

# Hits Visits URL

1 66742 4.75% 59586 17.51% /

2 44121 3.14% 33999 9.99% /links/reality_porn.html

3 19366 1.38% 17762 5.22% /links/blowjobs.html

4 23351 1.66% 15605 4.59% /main.html

5 12995 0.93% 12995 3.82% /tables/force.php

6 13583 0.97% 12205 3.59% /links/lesbians.html

7 12102 0.86% 10860 3.19% /links/babes.html

8 11544 0.82% 10349 3.04% /links/teens.html

9 11952 0.85% 10138 2.98% /links/amateur.html

10 11101 0.79% 9764 2.87% /links/mature.html


The reason I felt that adding the editorial content would help is that I looked at sites like Suicide Girls and Jane’s Guide (both formerly PR7); what was the difference between them and the other big guys with just as many or more links (link-o-rama, Richards, tommy)? What I saw was that these Jane’s and SC were heavily editorialized with links to music, pop culture, and just plain info about sex. I thought THAT maybe was what gave them the ability to cross PR6. So I added the pages – it probably won’t even work, but if you don’t try – how will you ever know?

If this all seems stupid to you I would like to also make the following two points:

1. For the first time in 20 years, thanks to state mandated drug test – I am not smoking pot all day – therefore I may not be thinking clearly.

2. I spent four years literally chained to a desk and being beaten if I didn’t get enough SE traffic to a certain big company. While my posts may often by silly and loaded with misspellings – I am very schooled in working the search engines.

NICKNAME – If you know where to get so Yngwie taps – lay ‘em on me!

Pretty decent writing, even if the topics are a bit rough for some folks. There are a lot of straights who won't understand dark humor.

I think the SE idea is sound, but like linkster I would think you would want to add, oh, say 50 or a hundred more pages (just a guess) to get your desired result. It'll be interesting to see how it works out over the years.

BILL - I write the hompage for CJ once a week, so every time I write on there, I will archive it on Jay's. Yeah, I didn't think the 16 pages I added would be enough.

It's a work in progress...

Jay...yeah...I knew about that stint you had at the desk :)

actually I do totally agree with you about the linking structure and the internal link trading....I was one of those that ran a FPA for a long time and killed myself in the SE's for about 2 years...got straight and its finally working out...rankings for the one little tiny keyword I wanted are doing fantastic, and all of the other phrases are finally paying off big-time.
I am an advocate of the more "quality" content is always a good thing...I just think to break the barrier takes the type of outside incoming links and anchor text that gives your site the hub authority that they look for in a 7. One other mistake I made and since rectified is always asking for the same linkback text - and found I was getting a slight dampening effect due to it...as soon as I started changing it my rankings soared.

Linkster - Yeah man, I know you know what you are doing. When I was chained to the desk, I read your stuff on ANS a lot. I never posted because I din't ever have time.

Jay...I dont actually know that much...but thanks anyway :)
I just finally realized that about 95% of what you read on boards and newsletters is pure BS and started experimenting myself until I figured out what works most of the time...Im definitely no expert...if I was I probably would have somebody posting for me LOL...that I finally sat down one day and read Googles help pages and figured out what they were saying were the clues to exactly how they like to see a site...no reason to spend loads of money on "larnin' stuff" when its free :)

Jay, you submitted a site to me last week that I havent added yet, I have been pretty busy with work and such, unfortunately my email database got completely wiped out and I lost your url. Could you shoot me an email webmaster at back-off-bitch.net with the url?

Hey Jay :)

Nothing wrong with trying to break into new ground with Google PR. I'd love to see it happen |shake| But I just have gut feeling that the powers that be at Google have placed a ceiling for adult there. Up until lately it was 5, but lately I see a few at 6, so who knows, maybe you can break out.

At the present time Google is "THE" SE, but there have been many before that were "THE" SE. Alta Vista, Excite, etc.

My personal favorite is AOL, those people BUY from my experience, seem to get a large amount of "Looky Lou's" from Google these days.

Linkster - linkster nobody realy "knows" - there are some people on these boards that know a lot, like Danger Dave and then there are people that are just flat out wrong, and then there are meglomaniacs that have the gall to attach the word "guru" to their name. When I started in the business, the guy who I learned from dealt with nothing but se traffic - we didn't even submit to linklists, so I got a good jump on things.

Back Off Bitch - I list pretty much all of you stuff. I'll email the url when i get over to the office - I'm at home now.

Smoothie - Yeah, I remember trying to optimize for excite and all of those old shoolers. Yahoo is switching to Inktomi - IMHO is shooting themselves in the foot. I would never try to find info on Inktomi and in case you didn't know or have seen the AOL commercials - "NOW AOL SEARCHS, ARE FASTER AND EVER - POWERED MY GOOGLE...", so...you know....Google is pretty firmly planted in the and will be here for a while, IMHO.

Weather this takes me to PR7 or not, good content is good content, so there no way it could hurt.

Hey great thread going here come on over to todays chat at 3pm EST we are gonna chew the fat about SE with Linkster. Jay if you see this come on in and chew along :)

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Damn - by the time I saw you post - it was too late. Maybe next Saturady, man.

Not sure these pages will make the break, but sure as hell they will help, especially when you add more of them frequently.

On http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/hardcore.html I found 354 URLs in 366 links, therefrom 287 outgoing links. That's way too much to be effective. Splitting category pages increases overall PR too (proper internal linking assumed), and you gain more points of entry for SE traffic.

In general, the advantages of a structured internal linkage are underestimated. The importance of content (body text!) spread across the pages of a well structured site is underestimated. Homepage PR is overestimated.

Amen :)
Wish they would stop showing PR and let people learn the other 100 things that make a good SE page

Tell us more I got some |popcorn| :)

So, Sebastian..how many links per category pagewould you suggest to be effective?

BTW..I took youradvise and threw away webposition gold..got my pr up to a 4 on the index page in 3 months..so time to work on the rest..

Depends, preferably less than 100 because cat page trades and ads tend to increase the #of outgoing links steadily. A page with 10 site listings can easily have 100+ links, internal links do count. OTOH you haven't enough unique text content with 10 listings per page using the usual short descriptions. If you can sort the listings by keyword phrases, few site listings per page are fine. Let me think 5 seconds longer and I'll find a ton more factors influencing the links management. So the answer is 'depends'.

I know a few moons ago it was the bomb to have a top ten listing now its all PR I am so confused |confused|

A big benefit I see in PR is getting spidered. You can buy a new domain, put it on a high PR page and have SE hits coming in right away. Many benefits to that of course.

the more - and better - listings you have - the more traffic - therefore the more money :)

PR is about getting links counted and new pages spidered like Ramster said.....thats about it

also...some confused notions I hear occasionally...PR is for a single page only...it isnt applied to a site...you just get some of the PR to other pages in the site due to links....the same as if the links came from another site

OK here's my take...

Jay - those pages will give you some benefit, but I dont see them make any huge difference as they are just static pages with text, and alot of it is not relevant to your prime keywords and theme. They cant hurt though.. but.. the multiple broken links on your site can hurt.. :(

People forget that "quality" for some SE's is also measured by no tjust number of links and text etc.. but also the number of 404/403/302s the robot finds.

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Dynamic/changing/updated content is a big key - there is a reason I update my pages EVERY day!

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I would agree with Sebastian on the "too many links" argument.. but then this is also balanced against the "value" of your page.. Total value.. not PR value. A page seen as "highly valuable" by an/the SE will firstly get spidered more often, and also it's contained links will be percieved of greater value too.

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Forget PR!! it is a tiny guide now.. especially since Google's last PR update....

IMO - google has markedly DECREASED the "value" of PR and INCREASED the value of relevancy, textual content, etc. There was a time that there were only about 20-50 PR6 adult sites, now there are 100's, and alot of those are TGPs, that lack a lot of relevancy, and gain PR from thousnads of non-themed backward(incoming) links.

Now write that down!!! PR means Shit! As we have said before top SE rankings can be gained with little or no PR.. I have a #1 at Google for certain adult keywords for a site that has only just reached PR4 but it has been #1 for more than 6 months, at PR 3 and below. The structure and relevance of the page is right.. and the PR itself means shit! (have you written it done yet!)

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#1 Don't get caught up in single line throwaway ideas spouted by SE "gurus"

THINK about your page as you build it. Pick some prime keywords you want to target and build the "site" from there. Use those keywords in your title, Metas, body text, etc - but make it relevant... just repeating keywords for the hell of it never works.

#2 Don't copy other peoples stuff - use it for ideas.. but start with a clean slate.

#3 Links your "site" to other RELEVANT sites.

http://www.big-hairy-pussy.com/ linked to http://www.fat-teen-babes.com/ is NOT relevant.

http://www.big-hairy-pussy.com/ linked to http://www.fat-hairy-pussy.com/ IS relevant.

Listing it in LL hairy categories IS relevant.

Linking into the inside pages of http://www.big-hairy-pussy.com/ from other "hairy pussy" sites and pages IS relevant.

(the URLs used are not real sites - just examples)

#4 You cannot get every site you own into the top 10 at Google... It just aint gonna happen.! Build your pages right and SE traffic will come.

#5 Have a central point that is your SE entry page - Call it a hub.. Call it a LL, Call it what you like....

Use this site to list SOME of your sites so you can "introduce them" to the SE's and their robots.

DO NOT cover it in frickin sponsor links! This is a tool to get you into and ranked in the SE's Forget about making money directly from this site! Yes have some sponsor links? and yes you will/may make a dollar or two... but get in the mind set that it is NOT there to make money.!

DO NOT list >>> ALL <<<< your sites here!! Just list some... and link those to the ones that you do no list.


This is my opinion...!! Others will disagree.

#6 Forget mirrors and doorways.!!

Have ONE main entrance point for your site.

Put the goddamn recips on THAT page. - I see lots of people teaching newbies to "save it" for the SE's.... to bad they are saving it and giving it NO RELEVANCE whatsoever so it never gets ranked.

IMO Google likes recips:)
IMO Recips are relevant.:)

Link you internal pages together... NO not spam-ily... like a menu that is repeated on each page.. good for navigation for surfer, good for SE robots, good for relevance..

Title your pages to indicate what the pages are... be real be relevant!

main page - big hairy pusy main page

gallery page 1 - big hairy pussy picture gallery page
and/or
gallery page 2 - sexy babe with big hairy pussy

Use the time you would spend making mirrors.. making your site better and more relevant.

IMO - One quality well built site is worth 1000 times more than the same site with a 1000 doorways


Lastly..

- NONE of these are RULES
- Repeating the same shit over and over again is uesless
- Read between the lines.
- Go and read Sebastians stuff - http://www.niched-hubs.com/articles/
- Go and read Sebastians stuff again - http://www.niched-hubs.com/articles/
- Dont do spammy things - you will get caught or someone will report you
- Ask specific questions
- Be kind to your mother


(can someone move this to the SE board now;) )


DD

This is my opinion...!! Others will disagree.

Not in this lifetime....that is the best synopsis I've seen someone write that finally gets some of the "rumor" and BS out of the way, and at the same time would be perfect for the "newbie" trying to start with the SEs.

Good Answers DDave :)

I guess I'll go ahead and throw in my 2 cents:

"editorial pages" - Whatever you call them, new, text intensive keyword rich pages are very important. I have a site that was languishing around page 20 for a long time, even though I was getting new trades, adding text to existing pages, all the right stuff. I thought of a way to add new text rich pages, similar to what xxxjay is doing, and went to page one within 30 days. Coincidence? Could be. So I tried it on another domain with the same results. Now I make sure to add 2-3 new pages with lots of text and keywords every month.

"Page Rank" - I disagree with DD that it's total shit. Probably lukewarm stale piss though, and definitely overrated by most webmasters, at least right now. I think google has dampened the crap out of PR in the algo due to webmasters manipulating it for their evil, sinister purposes, but they haven't bailed on PR altogether, hence the Code Jam contest. http://www.google.com/codejam/

"Relevant Links" - I think DD is right on the money with this one. I recently had a debate with someone over whether this was something google placed emphasis on. He said
"No way, man. Google's not doing that. Even if they wanted to, there's now way they could."
Well of course they can. It's what they do every day. They figure out what a page is about and then do something or other with it. Now, I wouldn't refuse a link trade because the other guys page was off topic for mine. I just keep this in mind when linking my own sites or when I'm looking for new sites to trade with.

"Recip Link Text" - Another "right on the money" imo. Mix up the link text that you get other wm's to use when linking back to you. A thousand links pointing back to your site using identical link text probably will raise a flag with google.

"Optimizing Internal Page Rank" - I try to make sure that no page on my site is farther than 2 clicks away from any other page. I use an SSI file at the bottom of all my pages as a "site map".

"Be kind to your Mother" - Word.

SS

Wow, what a monster thread. Maybe we ought to get Greenguy to password protect it for newbies looking for all of the "secrets" - lol.

Dangerdave – That was a kick ass post, I can tell you put some time into it.

“About PR” – that was kind of the point I was trying to make PR isn’t king, it may sound cliché by now but “content is king” (hence my pages )– getting a billion links to your page doesn’t really matter unless you have you site structuring, internal linking, and on page stuff all in check.

“Too Many Links” – I agree with that 100% - I’ve been wanting to get my script modified to break the links cats into separate page once they go over a certain amount, plus Google can only actually read and index so many kilobytes of a page anyway.

“Doorways” – If I had my way I would have stopped fucking with them back in 1999 – a guy I was working for insisted that they were still the way to go. The only way you can get a doorway to generate any traffic at all is by trying to “fool” and linking them to other doorways, trading links like a normal page, and linking them to the main part of your site – which the effect become that they become part of your site and will just confuse the piss out of the surfers. I agree, you are best off concentrating you efforts in one your hub.

Sebastian and DD - Thanks for the info on the dead links. I've know for a while I needed to do something to clean them out. I'll have to make it more of a priority now. How are you guys checking that anyway? Homesite?

“Relevancy” – As Google moves more towards relevancy is only going to become more relevant, so keeping your shit relevant is more relevant than ever. Can you say redundant?

What would you guys say is the best off-the-shelf linklist software for creatng SE friendly link lists?

You would want software that can:

Create multiple category pages with say 75 freesite/gallery links on them, and autocreate with the pages navigation links to tie the pages together.

Rotate the sites alphabetically and/or randomly on the pages.

Perhaps allow you to assign a value to entries, so that entries from trusted webmasters or with better quality recips could be listed above lower ranked entries.

To attract SE-aware webmaster submitters, it should have:
A partner account function to reward trusted webmasters.

> What would you guys say is the best off-the-shelf linklist software for creating SE friendly link lists?
I didn't find such scripts so I wrote them myself.

> Rotate the sites alphabetically and/or randomly on the pages.
I don't really want that kind of (often/fast/randomly) rotating content. I prefer to rank and group the listings without overdone randomizing.

The rotation has no search engine value, except perhaps to make the pages look "new".

The purpose of the rotation is to attract a better class of partner site submitters. It's just a personal favorite issue of mine, I am far more interested in sites that give their listings a rotation, and would want to be able to provide that feature to submitter webmasters.

Bill - Link Admin by Richard from www.usefulscrtps.com is what I use and I love it.

Dallasdeb might wanna read this one - just dug it up from the vault:

http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/editorials/gums_cum.htm

Maybe it would explain why she got offended - lol.

What a great thread. :D

I have only one thing to say......

Content is King.

I have never used Richard's LinkAdmin - but know lots of people that swear by it.

For me - the king is Link SQL for a heavy duty job, and Links 2.0 for simple jobs. Both very modifiable/flexible and write straight html

DD

This thread has been so wonderful! so much to learn!!

Richard's LinkAdmin is a great script for whatever your main project is. It's on the pricey side and I've had trouble customizing it, but it's so good that you barely need to. If you are serious about running a linklist - it's the way to go.

I've been a big fan of LinkAdmin for a while, but I've heard that it is hard to modify, and hard and expensive to get modified.

I keep hoping to hear that an improved version is being released, or that getting mods for it has become easier, but thats not what I hear.

I also keep hoping to hear that a "next generation" link list software is coming out, with the features I'm looking for built in. But I haven't heard a whisper of new linklist software being written.

DD, Links 2.0/Link SQL is the gossamer scripts linklist, am I right?

Bill _ From what I've seeen that is true. I've had a couple guys try and fail.

If someone reading this thread has the skills or knows someone, please get a hold of me. I wan't to add a link checker and a user side search function.