myths dmoz
 

Hi guys,

so many people says that it is very hard
to get listed in dmoz. And they also say that it is
very important to get pr and a good google listing.

Today i took the time to browse through round about 50
Freesites in the dmoz directory.

I was realy disappointed....

Many sites in that directory looks like a nightmare.
The most of them has only little pr 1 or 2 and with a poorly seo.

So what are the true statements about dmoz?

thanks

Dmoz was good in theory - but then again so was communism :)

The original plan was to have a huge directory edited & maintained by humans (as opposed to spiders) Sorta like the biggest link list you've ever seen :)

But, like all a lot of good intentions/ideas, IMHO it became corrupt. Senior editors suddenly had heads that 7-7/8th hats would not fit :D

I may be biased, since I was thrown out od Dmoz during their big shake up - mostly because I was a "big" name in there under a different alias (blamo, btw - but then again, think of the hell I would have went thru if I was in there as "greenguy") & when they sacked 100 or so editors, my name was the only one anyone ever heard about.

Why was I booted? Because I held the sites that were currently listed to the same standards as my link list - plus I was of course adding my own sites - hell, that was the only reason anyone became an editor (aside from the feeling of power or having a bigger cock) No one 2was paid, so we added our own links to our categories.

But I guess I added one to many of my sites and/or removed one to many sites of what they called "my compitition" & thus, I was booted :(

I'm rambling..... :)

A lot of seo info you read is two to three years out of date.

dmoz used to be a real gold mine, but like GG said, it was always also kind of a wierd place.

Now, while some people swear by dmoz still, based on my own measurements a link from dmoz is no more valuable than an equivalent link from anyplace else.

Now, we are talking about rough measurements here, so maybe google does still place a premium on a dmoz link, like it used to. But I wouldn't bet money on it.

Still, a links a link, and maybe half, maybe only 40% of the adult cats still get reviewed every month or so, so if you have sites in the niches that get reviewed, it makes sense to submit.

Hell I gave up on getting listed there and maybe never will..

Something is strage there, there is a porn o plenty tgp site that keeps dropping off and coming back and this has been going on for maybe 3 months or so and I think maybe that a editor has that site and if I am right I can forget about getting listed there..

And also some good sources told me that a dmoz listing dont do swat anymore., And I been on there board and in MHO those people do act like they are big headed..

I read there board and kit was on there and got banned for some little thing and he is #1 for "porn" in google..

Hmm...

it seems that dmoz is realy only a myth.

what do you think about the traffic and the quality?
Are there many users outthere looking in the dmoz
to find a site?

I can´t believe that, because it´s not realy a user friendly
search engine.

Well, another good thing about dmoz was that anyone can use their data for their own search engine - which means every Joe Blow webmaster that made a SE site & used their database would have your link in it.

Up to about about two years ago, DMOZ was probably a V.Good idea. So I gather, anyway. But as GreenGuy has said, so was Communism: Like best intentions don't always mean best results or returns for the masses

Not so sure that GG [and others] got turfed out for being 'big', but the whole perspective of that project seems to have changed, withered and become mostly useless these days

Perhaps they got bored with adult sites [as there are so many, and so many are so bad], or maybe they just can't be arsed to complete what they set out to do. Know I get days like that ;)

Either way, we're all probably better off not worrying about it - just so long as Google sees you in the top 10-20 ???

Reasons to get listed on Dmoz

1) It's free and takes about 2 minutes to fill in the form.
2) No reciprocal link is required.
3) It's a link from a relevant niche page.
4) PR ain't everything anymore.

if u guys dont want it, ill take it

IMO Dmoz is as has been stated, a Link List that gives you a link in with out a reciprocal, that is the key benefit and as GG said it also can be picked up by all the other people using DMOZ as a back-end for their little sites!

Not bad but hard to get listed as adult!

5) Read Das Kapital to kill time while you wait for a listing :D

Hey Urb - hit me up on ICQ when you get time :)

and 6) You might even get some pretty targetted traffic which last I saw was still pretty good on 4 year old sites :)
Especially since Google still backfills their directory with DMOZ sites - and that automatically also gets you a link from the Google directory which is another good (highly regarded by Google anyway) link

Its to easy to use DMOZ, normally anything that easy will not rendor great results.

Porn is hard because there are so many sites, you have to come up with a new term for porn, get it out there and then hit all the SE's.

The boys from Voyeurdorm were good at this back in the day, and they had the majority of the voyeur traffic.

Bangbus was another good one too.

Generic just does not work on the SE's anymore unless you work the submissions every day.

2 ways to make money in porn, work 24/7 and hire others to do the same, or launch an affiliate program and give up some cash and hope your site makes it after you paid all the bills for pay per sign up.


G

I'm always buying domains listed in DMOZ :)
Think the listing over there is worthless... ok...
Hit me up 59 101 924 and I will buy it off you :)

You're right on target. IMO, Dmoz is a disgrace to search engines. Their entire adult category is basically one huge spam fest.

Generally speaking, I agree that Dmoz sucks. however, I would like to know GG ( since you were an editor ), how their search works. Do they list alphabetically, by date added or do they have any other algorithm. I mean, is there any way that you can bring your listing up in their search?

Dmoz is not going to send you huge amounts of traffic from people searching Dmoz directly.

It's the indirect benefit of having a benchmark listing which will help you gain more relevance on other engines.

IMO people that say 'DMOZ sucks' suck..

DD

I submit all the free sites that I build to them and I have many listed with them.

Takes about 30 seconds so I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

Cocksuckers...

Hmmm... Guess sucks was a strong word. Didn't mean to offend. Maybe I should explain a bit better what I wanted to know.

I use a Dmoz backend myself, and I found that most of the links at the top for every category were from relevant pages of the same sites, some of which were not even working. It was obvious that editors had dumped every page of their sites into Dmoz. I should also mention here that way back when DMoz had just started, I was an editor for 'Telecom'. I gave it up very soon, because they weren't paying. Never had the chance to build any relationships or gain any knowledge.

As for my question about the search, I realize that surfers don't use dmoz that much, however, I get a few visitors from sites which are using dmoz as a backend. In fact, I send out a lot of hits from the backend myself. I have taken out their search box from my back end, but I'm sure a lot of sites haven't and I would like to know what, if anything, needs to be done to improve the search results. However, I do agree that it's not as important as tweaking pages for google or yahoo. The only reason I brought it up is that GG is a former editor and this thread was about the ODP.

You all are successful and important people in this industry and as such more likely to know more about this than someone like me. Sorry about the length of the post. I tend to ramble a bit.|peace|

Is it a coincidence that only DMOZ editors, and people trying to kiss DMOZ editor ass are the only ones who defend DMOZ?

Everyone else says it sucks.

SomeCreep - I guess I dont understand - since Im not an editor, never have been and never will be and certainly dont kiss anyones ass - what part of DMOZ sucks? I get free traffic (more than I do from Yahoo), free backlinks from all the DMOZ clones that Google loves, and it gets me into Googles Directory - seems like a win-win situation for that 30 secs of form filling. Id be real interested in what problems you've actually had there?

Look at the entire free sites section of DMOZ. Any niche, any letter category is overflowing with spam.

Quick example I found in about 5 seconds

(Letter "A" category)
http://dmoz.org/Adult/Image_Gallerie...or_Men/Free/A/
"Aaba", "Aaliyah" links? Pleeease.

(Letter "C" category)
http://dmoz.org/Adult/Image_Gallerie...or_Men/Free/C/
"Caan" links? Pleeeease.

The top 10+ listings of every letter category are strategically placed spam. Anyway, there are better examples of spam. I just dont feel like searching.

SomeCreep - :) thats exactly the way LLs used to look too - till we started rotating links alphabetically. You might take a look at Yahoos directory if you really want to see spam.
Looks to me like some people figured out all ya need to do is start the name of your site with two a's to place at the top - I dont think Id consider that spam though - just smart free site builders for the time back then :)

I guess my real question still is - what part of that sucks? Its not like a surfer is just gonna pick the first site - hell - I have loads of free sites in the directory from four years ago that still get hits every day - what makes it any different than having that site listed at 100 LLs? I can only see the good side of it with all the extra benefits it gives me in Google - Ive got 4 page free sites that still rank in the top 10 for 3 word targetted phrases that have dropped off the LLs years ago - but Google loves those backlinks :) To me its just another source of good traffic that makes me money

has anyone had any experience with non adult listings in DMOZ we're still sitting here waiting for a listing for a non adult product site to be listed which was subbed over 2 months ago... it's a joke really!

I've had experience of both adult and non adult submissions to Dmoz.

And IMO it takes longer to get listed in non-adult. But all of it really depends on Editor availability and work load.

Have you tried this doublep?
http://resource-zone.com/forum/

I have no idea - LOL - I just reviewed sites like Ido on LOR :)



Oddly enough, one of the reasons they threw me out was because I was either editing those type of listings or just deleting them completely. Of course, since these morons were my "compitition" they spun it that I was removing sites to benefit myself.



I usually don't pretend to have a big head, but I must say I was a damn fine editor when I was there. I had 4 or 5 categories when they booted me & I cleaned them up really well - I even went back & re-reviewed the existing listings when I got a new category.

I was the big name that they needed to whip in public to scare everyone else.

Hell, no one ever hears about how Emerald got thrown out the same day as me :D
(and not to pick on Emmy, cause she know I love her - LOL)

Thanks for the reply GG. And doublep, I waited for a couple of months, then posted at the forum mentioned above ( http://resource-zone.com ) and the site was listed in about 10 days.