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So sitting down this evening and realizing that I have been away from link lists since 2005 when I sold smutlinks.net to Xporn, i realized I am out of touch with the latest technologies of today.
I have been thinking about creating another linklist site, but is it worth it? Is there traffic still to be had? Are blogs killing the link lists? What are your thoughts on Web 2.0 and the future of the free porn market? On that same token, being that I am the CTO for Blue Loot, what would you guys like to see from programs? Rss feeds (latest content updates?), xml updates, or more hosted galleries sites? This thread goes both ways, hope this is not stepping over posting boundries, if so just let me know. - Andy |
I don't think you asked enough questions in this one little thread :D
Starting a Link List from scratch? You do have the advantage of know what it takes to get one going & maintain it, so it might be worth it for you (I'd tell people that have never run a Link List to read this thread) I don't know too much about blogs & I doubt if a surfer knows they are on a blog or a link list or a tgp or anyplace else (it's probably just free porn to them) I think Web 2.0 is a really douchey term (the web became interactive the day mailto: was created) The future of the free porn market? People ask that question every now & then - I think the 1st time I heard it was 1999 :D People will always want "free" porn & others will always be more than willing to provide it with an ad or 2 to a paysite :) |
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Web 2.0.. sounds like a term coined by mainstream webmasters to baffle unsuspecting clients into thinking they're getting the latest and greatest service
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I agree with Useless' first 3 Nos.
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I don't know what to tell you except think about the basics. Affiliates want traffic and conversions, what can a program owner do to help either of those. It's nice to see programs thinking outside the box. I guess if I had the answers I'd be a program owner myself. |
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Anyhow this is not a "we are great" thread. I was just curious what affiliates in general would like to see from any and all programs. |
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Not sure if that's a good thing though |badidea||goodidea|huh |
And one thing I've learnt about UW while I'm here - you cannot always take him seriously. He's a joker, but sometimes he gives you a damn fine advice ;)
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Since I'm currently seeking my fortune in automated splogs I have been going through my present sponsors and signing up with new ones in search of usable RSS feeds. Not many of those around.
If you could provide a quality code compliant feed with a hundred or so meaningful words and a nice pic that is updated regularly 2-3 times/week and doesn't go 404 any time soon, it would put you ahead of most others. A thumb and a link just doesn't cut it, but it seems to be the standard. |
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That complaints about hard to find content and promotional items is duly noted. |
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"More cowbell!"
I like the cowbell ;-) From SNL (Saturday Night Live) years back. BOC (Blue Oyster Cult) of great "Never Fear The Reaper" fame. Lots of other great songs from these guys as well ;-) http://www.whoomp.com/articles/25/1/...-Cowbell-Video! |
Lively little thread going here!
I've been launching a variety of "Web 2.0" (whatever that means!) sites for about a year now and am finding the most effective ones as far as driving traffic to our paysites are Blogs and Community Interest sites that offer user generated content. So long as the blogs and community sites are VERY specific to the niche, conversions are reasonable. For a peek at what Lars is doing successfully, take a look at bondage.com as an example. My two cents...;-) Colin |
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If I were to ever go back into it I would not even dream of it unless I had some sort of script which provided these features and was well implemented. If this is done, I think linkslist can be far more useful (and bookmarked) than the surfer than most blogs or perhaps even the youtube type sites. Linkslist have the advantage of having far more content. The only disadvantage right now in the way they are implemented is that stuff is difficult to find and tedious for the surfer. What I want from sponsors? You asked so I will provide. :D Convert. No bullshit (this one is really big. So many shady programs out there and we see you. We really do!). I don't care about your contests, I care about the bottom line. Supply a reasonable amount of free content as well as hosted galleries and make the interface easy to use as well. -Provide both a revshare program and a PPS program. For your PPS if you are not giving me credit for console sales, don't penalize me for going console free. That just pisses me off. I'm not stupid, I know you then have more of an interest in sending the surfer to the console than the site where I get credit. To me that just says "I think you are stupid and I want to screw you!" If doing revshare and trials, make it optional. I hate $1 trials with revshare these days. Options, options, options. :) -Here is another idea to help people who blog. Allow a preview image from each hosted gallery to be hotlinked. This makes it a little bit easier and less time consuming, especially for people using freehosts. There MAY also be a 2257 advantage as well in keeping it on your server possibly. Same with banners if you are willing to eat the small bandwidth costs. It would be nice. :) -When you name your pictures and videos make each name unique. None of this 1.jpg, 2.jpg, etc stuff. It makes it a pain to combine content from two sets when they are named the same. Save me some time so I can promote more and we both win. :) -When you name your banners use reasonable descriptive names. banner1.jog sucks because we have 100 other sponsors who name it the same thing. Better is -2257 worries. If you can follow Naughty America's lead. A lot of people are a worried about this. Help us out a bit and we'll help you. I have seen guys out there saying they have stopped promoting certain sponsors and they are moving over to the ones where they can be 2257 compliant due to the worries. -Respond to our support requests within at least three business days or less. Especially if we aren't the type to continually annoy you over petty stuff. Here is something that annoyed me recently with a sponsor. I opened up a new blog and did some marketing in the goth niche. I saw they had a site so I started promoting. Looked for hosted halleries for that site. Not a one. Looked for free content. Not a single picture. Ooookay.....well it looks like I am going to have to link to someone elses free hosted galleries since they do not want any sales apparently. :( Would it have really been that hard to provide a few hosted galleries? Especially considering most of their 100 other sites have them? |
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This thread is so informative.
I have a question though. Is 2257 rule really worrisome to gallery submitters who are not resident in the states? Thanks. |
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I recently started promoting some microniches and of course ran into many CCbill sponsors who are kind of small. They offer only revshare. Well I am seeing a 5% rebill rate. |angry| Average commission is about $14 per sale. So I look at this and I realize, "Hey. If these guys offered $30 PPS, I would be doubling my money." That is quite a difference in pocket change there for doing nothing different. If one or two of these guys switched to a reasonable PPS -- even $25 -- I would put their links at the top of the list in a heartbeat. A 5% rebill rate is totally unacceptable and I want to be able to get right around $30 average for each signup sent or I feel I am pissing away money. (The above is a good hint for struggling newbies too I think. Sometimes watching this stuff and acting on it can mean more profit. In my case I could potentially double my money with a sponsor by switching to PPS - if it were available. Likewise sometimes with a sponsor that rebills well, you could do better by going revshare. But you have to keep track of the numbers first. :) ) |
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However, (info for "struggling newbies"): 1. Always remember, it could be your fault. If you are over selling a site (making it sound better than it is) people will join, then leave without re-billing (or worse, do a charge back). 2. If the problem is that you are over selling a site, switching to rev share is only a temporary fix. When the surfers you send do not re-bill, the sponsor will look at your site and either switch you to rev share, or simply cut you off (or shave your stats). 3. Speaking of shaving, if you are selling via rev share, and you see that you would be better off on PPS, do you really think your sponsor won't shave your sales? (Think about it, they charge $39.99 per sale, send you $35, costs are more than $5, so if they don't get re-bills they loose money. Sponsors are no stupid, at least those still in business aren't, if they are going to loose money on every sale you make, then they are not going to pay you for every sale you make.) |
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2. Although the regs cannot be enforced on non-US WMs: - they may try to screw with the processors to enforce it. Part of the FSC challenge mentions that the regs may interfere with NAFTA rules if they interfer with WMs businesses from Canada & Mexico. - they may also go after US hosting companies to force any WM to comply with 2257. - Another part of the FSC challenge mentions that Canadian privacy laws would make it illegal for Canadian WMs to comply even when they have the documentation. - Finally, the US-DOJ has been known to go after foreign nationals for doing stuff that is legal in their home countries when they happen to enter US jurisdiction. I used to be on an arrest list once because the company I used to work for did business in Cuba. --------------------------------- As far as what I look for in programs: - As a couple of other people mentioned conversions/rebills are the number one item. A few of my sponsors(mainly micro-niche) convert really well, and have rebills in the 50% range so I pump as much traffic to them as possible. I don't really promote the industrial/commercial porn type of sites that most people do, That leaves me time to hunt down all the under promoted niches/sites. - Wms that submit need lots of content from the site. For every 20 pic set, I make maybe 3-4 sales on submitting. So the more sets available the more sales I can make for the site. I do buy content, but, it's a toss whether the content is actually in the members area which can lead to chargebacks. The flip side is that I have bought content that matched the sponsors banners, and got rejected because it was over used. - A stable linking system. I am getting really tired of this "we switched to this new software, and you have to signup again, and use new links type of BS. It is way to easy to just import all the info into the new system(including referrals), and redirect old links to the new links. - For all those sponsors that are constantly droping sites, and trying to redirect a newer site. Give me control of where the traffic should go because I know how it has been targeted. One sponsor just redirected to what they thought would be good, and my $0.30/click ended up dropping to $0.005/click. |
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A few LL and TGP site owners insist on it. However they tend to be minor ones that won't send you much traffic anyway, so why bother with them? (Actually I have found it a good indication when looking at new LL and TGP sites. If they have a 'must have 2257' rule, they are not going to be worth my time submitting to, even if I am compliant). Anyway, if they expect me to follow their country's laws, then I expect them to follow my countries laws :) |
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If they shave it isn't my fault. It is theres. As an example, for the ccbill programs in question most of the signups come from simple text links with the name of the site (little other sponsor specifc promotion other than hosted galleries). If they are thinking something is there that is not, then it is the sponsors fault entirely, not mine in that case. Once they leave my site as long as I haven't promised them things which aren't true or am committing some sort of fraud, anything that happens from there is on the sponsor to me. |
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