What to do when crappy TGP BL's you...
 

So, I'm submitting tonight to my C list (little TGPs that don't send significant traffic but are just barely worth subbing to...) and I notice that I've been blacklisted by one of them, supposedly for "popups/redirection".

Now, I submit the same galleries on the same server to some of the pickiest mofos on the planet, have for years, and never get blacklisted by any of them (well, almost never). How is it that galleries that pass the hardest acid tests with the big guys get blacklisted at little dinky TGPs? This has always amazed me.

What do you guys figure is the thing to do in situations like this? I just deleted the TGP from my submit list, even if all they BLed was the one domain, I figure the hell with them. But it would be satisfying to find out WTF was going on in their heads.

On a side note, I notice that a number of the small to mid size TGPs have disappeared lately- domains not renewed, scripts screwed up and left screwed up, obviously unattended. Some bigger ones missing or going fallow too.

I've run into the same thing with some out of the way TGP banning or blacklisting a gallery that all the picky ones posted. Best way to handle it is like you said, I removed them from my submit list.

As to TGP's beginning to disappear, it was bound to happen. There was a huge wave of new TGP's in the last few years, every webmaster wanted their own, now they are finding out that they are hard work to do right and more time consuming than they thought so they are letting them go.

As someone who has owned and operated traffic pumps, including TGP's, for 8 years now, I just waited this new fad out. The up side for me is that a ton of dissatisfied TGP traffic finds it way to one of mine
:D

If I know them from the boards I ask them about it otherwise I just remove them from my submit list.

The trouble is that many TGPs have bots that are less then perfect. My little TGP has banned me a few times, lol.

Take them off your submit list. It may be good to email them and ask but chances are you won't get a response.

Here is the problem with the small tgps and I run a few of them they gett hammered from auto submit scripts so bad as many as 100 submits an hour I am sure that some of the webmasters do what I call mass blacklisting just to get the tgp under control here is what I suggest is email the tgp see if they will give ya a partner account this should ease the pain some :)

What MML said.

I run six mid sized tgps and a variety of situations can happen.

For example, I share my bl with all of them. Four of the tgps are niche tgps. One of the problems with niche tgps is off topic posting. I send an automated e-mail about three times, but if someone continues to off topic submit, they are banned - otherwise one would spend their entire time wading through thousands of submissions to find the few that are on topic.

Well, sometimes a good submitter to another tgp will end up on the black list because of off topic submitting at a niche tgp. An e-mail will usually straighten it out.

And that is just one of about a hundred miscommunications that can happen in the process.

One of the biggest problems in running a tgp that takes submissions these days is the sheer number of submissions. One panty fetish tgp that I run was flooded with 4,000 submissions in one day; the result is that it is now closed to all but a few regular submitters

As far as scripts being bad, rules out of date, etc. it may be a problem that the wm is unaware of (Apache upgrades by a host, for example, have played havoc with some scripts, php upgrades as well) or it may simply be that the site is now being neglected.

As far as backlogs, one heavy submit day can set a smaller site back 45 days in their review process until they sort out the source and quality of heavy submitting. You may still get many of those galleries listed Doc.

Finally, getting listed is a relative process. Although I receive several thousand galleries per day that meet my "minimum" requirements yet only a few get listed.

Also, as a hint, I try to group sites with similar rules and "tastes" together. If I can use 4 outbound links, I want to use the gallery with 4 outbound links as often as possible as they convert better than those with 2 (and I prefer to design sites with 4 for my own tgps). Sometimes, 1,000 hits to a gallery that converts is better than 50,000 to one restricted by certain tgp rules.

Personally, I will list a gallery with nice, seductive pics and 5 sponsor links before I would list one with two links and average pics. Learning the tendencies of certain tgp owners is also valuable.

While I don't do many submissions these days, it is my opinion that the life of submitting will get harder in the comming months, but more profitable for those who pay attention like Docholly does.

Getting a good submit list down is alot of work, including following up with tgp webmasters.

After digesting everyones responses I decided the next time I got such an inexplicable blacklisting from a smaller TGP, I'd write to the guy and ask whats up with that?

So, I did get a blacklisting from a smaller TGP yesterday, one that happens to be a more favored one of mine, because I've been submitting there a while, and the guy uses brownie, and I like brownie. The TGP is ThumbGenie.

So I wrote the guy and much to my surprise he wrote back. I think maybe I was a little grumpy when I when I wrote the email to him, cuz its subject was "Why am I Blacklisted?" - I could have been more polite, ha ha.

his letter - as I said I would publish it if he responded, I feel I have both permission and responsibility to post it.
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Hi there, Bill...

I think I made a mistake in the past, maybe it was because your galleries
turned in 302's.

I removed the domain from the bl. Please only submit 1 gallery per day.
Thanks.

Best wishes,

The Genie
ThumbGenie"Your Bookmark for Sex Wishes"
http://www.thumbgenie.com

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:15 AM
Subject: Why am I blacklisted?

> Hello,
>
> Why is the domain http://www.teen-anal-sex-pics.com/ blacklisted?
>
> I'm submitting these same galleries under partner accounts to Thumbzilla,
> Shemp, Sublime, Sex Ape, and many others, and none of those guys have ever
> blacklisted me.
>
> I don't really expect an answer. If I get one, I'll publish it on the GG&J
> TGP board.
>
> Thanks, Bill xxxxxx
>
> Todays gallery as an example:
there was a sample gallery here.

So 302 is redirection, isn't it? How would I get a redirection error?

Anyway, I thought the guy was decent. Score one for TGP owners.

The please submit only one gallery a day is superfluous, because I only do about 4 a week these days.

ThumbGenie blacklisted me about a week or so ago and blacklisted Luna not long ago as well. :(

I think a lot of the problem is relying on scripts. My own TGP has blacklisted me a few times, lol.

Maybe I should send of an e-mail too.

For my small tgp, I blacklist as I go along doing reviews..
I sometimes find that domains "appear" on the blacklist for no reason that I know..and these have been partners in the past...weird stuff..

AGP gives some strage 302's. For example, if you sumbmit a directory, it will 302 to the directory/index.html. If someone uses the linkchecker feature to look for cheaters, it will come up with all of these variations.

Not sure about Brownie, but I would suspect many of the same problems exist.

As Cleo said, some rely on their scripts too much.

I have found that both AGP (SQL version 2.1) and Brownie will display a large amount of connection errors for galleries that look good to me. Personally, I think this is just from server to server connection problems. I stopped using my copy of Brownie after I moved off LikeWhoa to IS Prime - so I didn't have a chance to check that theory out. But the linckchecker for AGP just pulled WAY too many galleries. Even worse, on my first config file for the linkchecker script, I had kept the default settings, so not only did it pull a ton of galleries, it wound up blacklisting a lot of honest guys (I quicky deleted the bl and started over).

Bottom line to me is the use of partner accounts. I love 'em. Wont have a site without them. Next on my to-do list is opening up a 100% clean site that shares the DB, and making use of the 'police/report' functions of some scripts - let the surfers alert me if any link is bad. On a trade site, this is not too feasible - they hit a trade, and they click the report feature

If AGP is returning a 302 thats probably incorrect cause that example (http://www.site.com/gallery -> http://www.site.com/gallery/index.html) should return a 301 perm redirect unless your host where the gallery is hosted had the config set up wrong for redirects. A 302 should be returned if there's a temporary redirect set up.

My submit IP address got on my blacklist some how. Let the guy know because you just might make a friend out of it.

ALlowing my script to auto blacklist or delete is becoming a big issue.