hosting and 2257
 

The way I read the new 2257 regulations, whether you host within the USA or outside of the USA is irrelevant, what matters is the location of your primary point of business .....but, nevertheless, I have already had 3 people contact me in the last 24 hours in regards to this.

Am I interpreting it correctly? Can anyone else give me their opinion on this? Just in case, I am working on a solution to this with a Netherlands data center, but I really don't think it is necessary to move hosting offshore. This is confusing |dizzy|

cheers,
Luke

Oh good, another 2257 thread…

Did you read through the other one?

From how I'm reading things it is what country you are a citizen of more then anything else.

yes, cleo, I did read through it and that is how I interpret it as well, but I feel that this is extremely important and I wanted to know if that is how every one else interprets it too.

cheers,
Luke

If they are US Citizens, simply moving hosting offshore won't anything. Even some of the bearer share/foreign registry services that some people are pitching won't make any difference.

However, to make it easy so people don't need to track dozens of threads, we should really continue this over here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=19962

I don't know. I have a feeling that the different realms which are affected are going to demand a few different threads. That one thread is already a shit storm. 2257 has many subtopics which have yet to develop. I don't blame Luke at all for starting a new thread. (and I love placing blame ;) )

I think the powers that be need to create a 2257 forum with some fairly well defined topics, however, moving hosting offshore still deals with the basic issue of whether changing venue eliminates responsibility.

In the entire thread, its been about interpreting the law and potential actions -- moving hosting seems to be a tactic for avoiding the law, which seems to me to be the primary thrust of the first thread.

Absolutely agree. There seems to be a lot people looking for loopholes and escape routes instead of spending their energy more wisely on finding ways to work within the law. Of course, I think you know how I feel.

They'll never take me alive. I've been digging a 'spider hole' in my backyard under the shed all week.

Personally I think the best advice is to consult with a lawyer.

Do we really need a board dealing with a legal matter full of hysterical webmasters interpreting the law?

more adviews. :)

I think there could be some valuable gems of wisdom in there.

In eigth grade, in metal shop, I printed cards that read 'Mark D*Mers - Attorney at Law'. Does that count? My legal expertise extends to the limit of knowing that the age of consent in NY state is 17.

That probably made you wiser (and more popular) than most other lawyers in the state.

Joke: You know why New Jersey has all the chemical factories, pollution, and dispair and California has all the lawyers? Because New Jersey got to choose first.

:)

Alex

I am not looking for loopholes, I am just trying to protect my own business :D
So far, the comments I have received are from people not in the USA who are asking about moving their hosting just in case.

cheers,
Luke

If you can negotiate a "US comparable" price I'm sure you'll get plenty of interest from us foreigners

Hint: If you're a hosting company don't be shy to tell us if your DC is outside of the US

|viking|

I think there will be some moves in the next while as webmasters outside the US move their hosting away from physically located in the US. However, webmasters in the US, or those webmasters from outside the US who have formed a US company for purposes of processing and such are pretty much screwed anyway, so moving stuff to the moon probably wouldn't help.

Alex

This relates to non US based persons and entities

As I read it - entities formed within the US for the sole purpose of providing access to US based 3rd party billing would not be subject to the regulation (as they don't actually own / provide anything 2257able) and neither would the company / individual who ultimately owns that entity (as expressly excluded by the regs)

BTW IANAL

I am setting up our new chilihost.nl site as we speak, just waiting for the domain name to propogate. We will be offering Netherlands-based servers!

cheers,
Luke

the way I understand it is that it doesn't matter where you live or where you host ( although that is some of it ) it's all about who you are doing biz with. For example if you are in europe and host in europe but are doing biz with US based companies you must comply to the law in order to do that biz. Now will they be able to force you to comply? that's a different story, but I supposed they could force a sponser to not pay you until you gave proof of your compliance. That is, at least, how I understand it. Since i'm in the US, host in the US and most of my sponsers are in the US I haven't really been looking too much into this. I'm not going to try to hide, if there is no injunction and/or changes to the law, I'll comply, it'll suck, but I'll do it.

Linking issues and a free graphic that explains my opinion
 

We will see what happens when the law goes in affect. Links change, computers don't work perfectly and one person in one place might see something completely different on his computer than another. I support the efforts of the free speech group just can't afford membership. ACLU is already taking on UTAH.
I made a graphic use it freely off your bandwidth If you want to link to my site(s) in exchange for the graphic thats up to you.
http://www.eroticdvd.com/SEXUALLY_EX...E_PAINTING.gif
I personally think a link to the info for 2257 is enough for any official trying to enforce a law that will be changed in the future anyway.
The worst part of the law in my opinion is giving the address to adult webmasters so they can be subjected to the same shit that the strip clubs in some places have to go through. Doesn't really matter who's doing it just the fact that it can be done at all!"
PS digart speaks from my mouth.

Even placement of the 2257 info may be difficult if you have stuff on free hosts.

They specifically say it has to be either in the domain root as in mydomain.com/2257.htm or the sub-domain root as in galleries.mydomain.com/2257.htm.

A lot of free hosts are setup as freehost.com/yoursite/2257.htm

I actually a moral person and I do believe in right and wrong, however .... If you look at any law in a pragmatic fashion and in the extreme, you have to ask yourself what can they do to me? The authorities can:

1 arrest me
2 take my property
3 stop my income flow
4 a combo of 1, 2 and 3

So ask yourself,

A Of what country am I a citizen?
B. Where do I reside?
C. Where is my server?
D. Do I visit the US often?
E. From what country do I earn my income?

Add some probabilty that the above may actually happen wrt 2257 and you can then start to assess your risk.

My thoughts.

-- art