What the hell People?
 

|angry| I see alot of people bitching about the new 2257 regs, However I was going through alot of sites this eveing, and they are showing masturbation, bjs right on the index before the warning. Now come on people, this is the kinda shit that makes it bad on the rest of us. And the god damned spam is out of hand, this is why the gov. is getting irritated with this business, you people make it bad on the rest of us...Sorry but I am really pissed about this crap. No wonder the linklists turn half these sites down.. |angry|

Well I kind of agree, but if a surfer is looking for porn, he wants to see fucking porn! NOT some fucking warning page (The surfer doesent even know what a fucking warning page is) As far as we are concerned, its just a fucking page where we put our recips. The surfer wants to see fucking porn dam.
And for the child protectionists, there is always filter software.

You've hit the nail on the head, why are we getting hit by these new reg's? Because we we had a president and administration that didn't go after anyone, so the spammers and the KP and everyone else, just did as they pleased! Now we're being held accountable, we have to make changes, have proper docs and photographs. You want to blame someone, well don't blame the adminstration that's here now, they're just cleaning up the mess! How many of you have seen sites with metatags that used the term disney? These people just pissed off a bunch more!


OK,I'm done now, my head hurts!

I have no problem linking to sites with hardcore on the index page. If they're coming from me, they know they are going to a porn site and not a site about the latest bible study techniques.

When it comes to my own sites, I don't have hardcore on the index page on sites that are submitted to LL's, just becuase of the LL's that doesn't want it. The SE traffic can come directly to main or gallery pages = hardcore content without warning.
So what's the difference of not having hardcore on the index page?

The only "controlled" (traffic is going to the index page) traffic source that is going to a free site comes from LL's and those already have a warning page (most of them).

What Swedguy said :)

I don't have any problems with hardcore on index pages either for the same reasons as swedguy, and I don't think masturbation pics before warning is what spurred the government to revise 2257.

2257 is an attempt to shut down online porn completely. Under the leadership of Ayatollah Bush America is regressing into religious fundamentalism. If the fundies don't like it, nobody can have it. He justifies his policies with references to religion/The Almighty all the time. It's sneaking up on us all over the place. Look at abortion rights and gay marriage. 2257 is just another manifestation of his greater agenda.

so you mean tell me that you dont believe people should have the warning? do you know how many damned times I have searched something non adult and came up with hardcore porn? I believe people need the right to be able to back out...I am very surprised at your answers...Actually I am quite disappointed.

I definately believe in the warning page, but I do so with the realization that search engines don't list only our warning pages. The only way for us to control where a surfer lands is to do an .htaccess that redirects all entries to an index. That would be suicide.

Okay, I think everyone missd my point

I am speaking of going through the search engines, hitting in a non-adult keyword, and wam there is a pic of a girl with a dildo... Did you ever hit "Barbie" or "Bratz" into the searches? I did to find coloring pages to print for my kids. and like I said..
you get screwed
I am not talking about searching for porn and finding it on the index...

Well, Barbie is a big name amongst bubbly huge-titted pornstars, so there's no good way to filter that. Bratz, on the other hand, is a problem. But you can't put the blame on honest webmasters doing business. Sounds like the problem is the bastards who intentionally use obvious search terms to draw in the wrong traffic. That's why I do all of the Googling for my kids' computer. They use only their bookmarks or online activities.

yes and I think it makes the industry look bad. and if your name is Barbie and you have a pornsite, you should at the very least have a warning page...
If some of these idiots know they are going to get that type of traffic, then that is just plain wrong. I dont do any searches with my kids in the room, and I dont allow them internet access, even my 15 year old, The internet is for adults, I am sure the filtering software works, but the online predators is the ones that scare me.

I just dont believe in children accessing adult content, and I believe we should all be more caring about that.

This brings about the big picture to me. Why is the Gov wasting all this time an money on this 2257? Why cant they use the same money and time and manpower to go after the real problem, the CP and adult spammers? Just dont make sense to me. The CP's and spammers are still going to do what they do, with or without the 2257 crap. The only people this is really hurting is people like us, that I think for the most part, do a good job keeping minors out, ect. This has probably already been said before. And I dont know the new law down to the fine print.

I do think people that go for keywords that minors will hit, should be taken down, thats not right in my opinion. I also think there should'nt be hardcore on the warning page, but so many LL's and the likes dont seem to care.

ronnie

Ronnie, you hit the nail on the head. 2257 doesn't target the bad guys. They never gave a shit about any laws anyway and upgrading 2257 isn't going to change a thing as far as they're concerned.

I cannot agree that the internet is for adults and not children. The internet is a global information and entertainment directory. I certainly don't want my children to stumble on porn (they're both at the age of finding even kissing on movies to be 'yucky'), but I don't consider porn to be harmful to their development. I was raised in a very sexually-aware environment and I'm somewhat stable. Knowledge of sex and nudity is healthy. I was the kid who was teaching his friends' little sisters the word orgy. But I was also the guy who didn't get laid until he was eighteen. I learned to fire an M-16 and was running to the cadence of 'kill a commie for mommy' before using my cock. How fucked is that?

I believe in warning pages. More ad space for us.

But when it comes to search engines, there are NO guarantee that where ever you land will be the warning page. You can end up on a pic page, a gallery page, a main page or any other page for that matter.

So for the reason you want it, it's completely useless.

I agree with you that it's very bad that you get porn when you search for something non-adult. But the warning page is definitely not a solution to that.
Net Nanny (or any other of the content filtering softwares) is a much better solution to that. Download, install and you have solved 95% of the problem. End of story.

i accept sites with hardcore on the index , i make myself free sites with hardcore on the index, would i see it differently? naaa i dont mind what i do mind is when people make free sites with hardcore on the index and put keywords like: d*sney, internet, marketing, pizza etc in the html, those i wont accept, hardcore on index oke, but dont use the common words in your html