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Vink 2005-07-21 01:25 PM

New 2257 info from FSC
 
New article at AVNonline
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=233948

Lemmy 2005-07-21 01:54 PM

Interesting to read about it on AVN. No mention of it on the FSC website and of course I haven't received any confirmation of my membership (4 weeks and counting) or any login info to their members' area, so how would I know.

Vink 2005-07-21 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemmy
I haven't received any confirmation of my membership (4 weeks and counting) or any login info to their members' area, so how would I know.

Same for me, but I'm not going to sweat them. I'm going to the membership meeting on the 28th and see what's doin'.

Greenguy 2005-07-21 02:04 PM

That good for those of you that live in Southern California, but I'm a bit pissed that I paid to join & have to find out info from fucking AVN.

RawAlex 2005-07-21 02:30 PM

Also settled is the question of whether the new regulations, which went into effect on June 23, 2005, for all adult producers who were not plaintiffs or FSC members before June 25, were applicable to material "created in the first instance" only after June 23, or did they also apply to material originally created before the date the regs went into effect.

"Were plaintiffs to raise this issue in a legal filing," was the DOJ's response, "defendant would take the position that the quoted language refers to material created in the first instance after June 23, 2005, and not to pre-existing material that is assembled, manufactured, published, duplicated, copied, digitized, reissued, or disseminated after June 23, 2005."

... and now the fun starts. Now all the running for past 2257 documents is likely moot, if I read this correctly. "First instance" meaning date of creation of the original image. It sounds like the DOJ is going to try to apply this ONLY to material made after June 23rd.

Full speed astern!

Alex

Vink 2005-07-21 02:32 PM

GG I know what you mean.
Have you ever considered moving?
Buffalo, that's the worst of both worlds. The weather sucks. It's like you live in Canada but with a government that hates free speech. ;)

madleinx 2005-07-21 02:43 PM

Alex, could you clarify that for me a little? If I'm reading that correctly, then 2257 would only apply to images created (i.e., filmed) after 6/23/05. Is that right? So sites that I pulled on June 22 would be exempt because the original images were created years ago? How on earth does that tie in with the clause about content created/published/etc. after 1995 within the regs?

I know that I'm pretty brain-dead right now from lack of sleep, but those "clarifications" seem about as clear as mud to me. |dizzy|

SirMoby 2005-07-21 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vink
GG I know what you mean.
Have you ever considered moving?
Buffalo, that's the worst of both worlds. The weather sucks. It's like you live in Canada but with a government that hates free speech. ;)

I think Ramster and RawAlex should start a real estate business and sell homes that come equipped with high speed Internet and a local college work force :)

RawAlex 2005-07-21 03:56 PM

I have a source for reliable chinese workers... :)

Alex

juggernaut 2005-07-21 03:59 PM

Well seems like things are a little better but who the fuck knows. LL are off the hook if they dont put any adult material on the site at least from what i got from that part of it. One thing I wondered about is they keep talking about original date of production. How in the world are they going to know 100%. If I take anything and place it on my server it will say that that thing was created the day I put it on the box. Even if it was really created years ago. I think thats kind of screwed up being from what I'm reading they are looking to grandfather away some of the problems, but what about people who took their stuff down? Now they are saying they could have left it up and it would have been ok? Maybe I'm reading this all wrong. One thing is for sure it seems allot better then what they had last month. I'm still waiting to see if I should bother even trying to keep my cam site alive. No mention of anything about recording the streams, if a 1 min vid clip is now considered a film. I got my letter in the mail yesterday about the FSC an my membership but no logon info. One thing i loveed tho. Is keeping everything in a differant room with no chair or AC or anything. Shit I'm going to keep the records in the attic. They can stand in the 130 degree heat all fucking day for all I care. And I will not give them a seat or anything. I figure after a few hours in a sweet box it might be hard to do your job.

Vink 2005-07-21 04:11 PM

I'm going to build an outhouse and keep the records in there.

SirMoby 2005-07-21 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vink
I'm going to build an outhouse and keep the records in there.

The outhouse will be your main place of business? :)

Vink 2005-07-21 04:50 PM

I'd be threre 20 hours a week anyways. Making sure it was full for when they come and check my records. The DOJ are the revenuers of the 21st century.

Greenguy 2005-07-22 02:26 PM

I just got my nice & official "Free Speech X-Press, July 22, 2005" newsletter....this is not mentioned in it.

mrMagoo 2005-07-23 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex
Also settled is the question of whether the new regulations, which went into effect on June 23, 2005, for all adult producers who were not plaintiffs or FSC members before June 25, were applicable to material "created in the first instance" only after June 23, or did they also apply to material originally created before the date the regs went into effect.

"Were plaintiffs to raise this issue in a legal filing," was the DOJ's response, "defendant would take the position that the quoted language refers to material created in the first instance after June 23, 2005, and not to pre-existing material that is assembled, manufactured, published, duplicated, copied, digitized, reissued, or disseminated after June 23, 2005."

... and now the fun starts. Now all the running for past 2257 documents is likely moot, if I read this correctly. "First instance" meaning date of creation of the original image. It sounds like the DOJ is going to try to apply this ONLY to material made after June 23rd.

Full speed astern!

Alex

This is great if true |thumb

However I would like to see the complete question and answer.

It does save some of my video content though.

MeatPounder 2005-07-23 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
I just got my nice & official "Free Speech X-Press, July 22, 2005" newsletter....this is not mentioned in it.

Nice that your social club sends you a newsletter tho :)


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