Gallery submissions no sales HELP!
 

I have attempted several times, between college and work, to start to make some extra income in gallery submissions. I have used advanced submittor to submit galleries to 70-80 sites one gallery a day... and never a sale. That was a while ago... and I had stopped pursuit since it didn't produce any sales. I am at a time now when I really need more income... so I am desperately trying to break into the business. I have a few questions about the gallery submitting side of things.

First, how many galleries a day and to how many sites should a person expect to submit to with the hopes of at least one sale a week?

Second, how do you get a lot of the sites that you submit to to accept your galleries?

Thanks a lot in advance for reading this and whatnot... if it would help if I show samples of my galleries I can.

There's more to it than just putting some thumbed images on a page with a couple of banners linked to sponsors and submitting to as many TGPs as you can find.

First step is to build effective galleries. Can you post links to some sample of your galleries?

Hi Radiohead, welcome to the forum.

First, posting some samples wouldn't hurt :) It's not just about submitting, but about getting listed, getting traffic, and making the most with that traffic.

You need to submit daily, never autosubmit, don't miss a day, build traffic and a reputation. Reputation is important as reviewers will start remembering your galleries and who you are.

Apply for partner accounts. While there's a lot of paid partner accounts now, I wouldn't recommend going that route until you have some experience under your belt. Still, with that said there are a lot of tgps still out there that give free partner accounts away. Having a partner account will get you listed more often, will get you higher on the page, and you stand a better chance of getting into the "sweet" spot of the tgp...the top 1/3rd of the page if you have a partner account.

When applying for partner accounts make sure that you submit 3 unique looking samples, don't use sponsor graphics (headers, footers, or ripped fhg), try not to use overused sponsors, make sure you follow all the rules, make sure you don't use a subdomain, make sure your domains aren't estdomains (as that will get you rejected instantly at most places), and basically put your best foot forward. Also it doesn't hurt posting on forums like this and a few others just so people "know" who you are...it makes it easier to request a partner account.

The sponsors you pick for tgps are very important. If you pick a saturated sponsor your conversion ratio will be considerably lower. If there's 100 webmasters all promoting the same sponsor, using the same sponsor content, etc, you'll soon find that the chance of getting listed greatly decreases and even if you do get listed you're competing against a lot of webmasters going after the same piece of the pie. Research, ask around, know which sponsors are saturated in the tgp market.

Niches, some niches work better than others on tgp traffic. Again, this is a thing you'll have to learn through trial and error.

Don't limit yourself just to TGPs. TGPs are great, you can make a very very nice profit off of them, but they shouldn't be the only thing you're focused on. The tgp market is harder for new webmasters to enter into at the moment, it isn't like it used to be, and you'll need to work even harder to make inroads. You should also focus on building Freesites, SEO them, and submitting to LLs. You should build SEO pages, hubs, blogs, toplists, etc, etc, etc. The key thing is to do as much as you can each day, build each day, and soon you'll see a steady stream of income coming in.

If you post some samples I'm sure the good people of this forum will be glad to help you along :) Also, build freesites and post for reviews here and listen to the advice that's given to you.

Good Luck :D

|waves| welcome to the board.


1 sale a WEEK? That shouldn't be too hard.


1 or 2 galleries to 100+ tgp's/mgp's will probably get you a couple of sales a week at least. However, if you use sponsor free hosted galleries your chances of getting listed are slim to none, so original work is needed.

Do you have photoshop? or an editor for html like dreamweaver? if not, then you will have to either get someone else to design them or purchase the software yourself and start the intimidating learning curve.|shocking|


That could be a problem.Although autosubmitters can be a helpful tool in automating the submission process, they are often abused by individuals spamming the living shit out of the tgps with FHG's. One of the best ways to get sales is to get partner accounts from small tgps and work your way up to the larger ones by gaining the trust of the owners and making a good name for yourself. Trust in this business is worth it's weight in gold.


Read the rules, and then for safe measure read them again, most tgp owners do not suffer fools gladly. And anyone who does not read the rules is quickly consigned to the fool category. Also, like I already mentioned, use original galleries.|thumb

Gallery Sample
 

Thanks for your advice everyone. I have created a sample gallery that is a little different than some of my prior attempts, the main being that I am not using any sponsor graphics at all. The gallery is located at:

http://orangellama.com/gals/06/0511/index.html

Tell me what you think. Also, through reading the replies so far, I've developed a few new questions as to the Free sites:

When I create free sites, what is the basic structure (number of pics/pages) of these sites and from where should I get the content? (from sponsor, free content, paid, etc...)

Thanks everyone

looks real good, but good looking doesn't sell a lot of times, it is true a lot of people don't realize it, but ugly and simple converts :) also, the header is big and it's linked, ussually will mean you won't get accepted at a lot of tgps, esspecially the hun, he hates headers and esspecially if linked. and other than that, the content is clean, but why would i or anyone want to buy it?? you can see a cute blonde chick for free anywhere, i would try and sell something a lot more rare and unique, not only would it be exlusive to the sponsor, you can use sponsor content, and with a lot less traffic get much improved conversions :D

I guess you have used the free version with the basic test database?
That will not get you anywhere.
See what sites there are giving you some hits, dump the rest.
Then search up, and add as many TGP's as you can find.
Dump those that dont give you hits over time.... repeat, and repeat.
In the end you will have a few TGP's that give you hits to your galleries.
Do allso remember that this is a buiseness, so you would maybe consider a few paid PA's if you are going for gallerysubmission alone.

If i were in your shoes, i would have read up on freesitebuilding, and started there.

Good luck :)

True freesites much easier to get sales in begining or later even :)

Gallerybuilding is more of a "spend money to earn money" if you are serious about it.
Freesites are more work, better work, but in the end you get better traffic, SE traffic and it is still free to submit to most LinkLists.

Your gallery looks good yes but I'm missing some "call to action" text. Nothing on that gallery made me want to click through to your sponsor. Text like "Click here to see here tight European Pussy" would have.

The two biggest issues I see relative to why you've not made any sales have both already been mentioned. First, you're trying to compete in the teen category which is highly competitive. Second, your gallery isn't selling the site to the surfer. Your job is to make the surfer want to go look at the sponsors site now.

I suggest a search of the message archives. There is some very good info in past topics on building galleries and free sites that sell.

Good advice in all the posts here. So I'll just add that you should always think about what else you can do to entice someone with your text. Is she taking off her clothing or slowly stripping off her shirt and pushing her panties down her slim young legs? And if you're going with the French appeal, why not give her a name, maybe something like Angelina, Brigitte, Ursula, Juliete, Chantal, etc. That would help make some of the sentences flow a bit better too.

And remember, if you build good free sites for Link Lists, you can easily wind up with two usable galleries from each free site which can be submitted individually to TGPs/MGPs with not more than some minor alterations.


Simon

You can try submitting to me. :D

And I would also emphasize emphasizing your message.

What will I find if I click? Make me see it, like, BOOM!

TGP traffic = No like to think hard.

That is good advice Simon, I always use the girls name a lot in galleries and freesites, since i sell only exclusive sponsor stuff no bought content and it helps gives the guy a reason to click :)

Thanks all of you... I've tried to incorporate all of the remarks so far into a new gallery...

http://www.orangellama.com/gals/06/0512/index.html

I tried to better entice the viewer and use a more specific sponsor, with more specific text and imagery. Any suggestions?

Also, when I had advanced submittor before, I had purchased it and was using it to create a database of TGPs that I had found (and their appropriate recips and links of course). I lost the original list, of 70 or so, but the list I am working on right now is at around 40... I plan to keep building it and submitting to eventually 100-150 or more a day if I can, I have a fair amount of free time to put towards it. Thanks for all the suggestions so far.

You are making the first mistake that most people make in submitting galleries - it doesnt matter how many sites you submit to - its how many list you and how much traffic you get - if you could post those numbers it would give a much better clue as to what the problem probably is :)

I would add this: I have been watching a TV show called "Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares" where this chef comes into failing restaurants and tries to figure out why and get them back on the road to making money.

One of the rules is don't do anything complicated until you have the basics down.

Your gallery designs are needlessly complicated and busy for starting out. Odd size images, things that don't line up, and too much of the potential action text is unlinked and lost in a sea of pictures.

Try making a simple 15 thumb gallery, get your sales messages in order and placed where people can see them, and work to encourage your surfers to not only look at the pictures but to catch and understand your sales pitch. If you cannot understand what the gallery is selling in the first 1 or 2 seconds, nobody else will either.

I don't make a ton of galleries, but the ones I do make seem to get decent click offs and make some sales... by keeping it simple.

Alex

Thanks for the advice. Here is one of my later galleries... trying to keep it simple...

http://www.orangellama.com/gals/06/0515/index.html

Tell me what you think. Also, here are some numbers of hits etc...


Gallery #1: 59 hits since 05/14
http://www.orangellama.com/gals/06/0514/index.html

Gallery #2: 47 hits since 05/15
http://www.orangellama.com/gals/06/0515/index.html

Gallery #3: 24 hits since 05/16
http://www.orangellama.com/gals/06/0516/index.html

Free site created by two of these galleries: 33 hits since 05/15
http://www.orangellama.com/gals/free0515/index.html


Some of these break the rule of simplicity... I will try to adhere more strictly to that in the future.

These galleries were each submitted to a list of around 250 TGPs (I found my old database:D ) Are these numbers extremely small for having submitted the galleries (respectively) several days ago? Or is there a moderate lag in time for the larger more popular TGPs to list sites?|confused| Thanks a lot everyone so far!

take this from your example gallery:

Jennica is young, legal, blonde, and sexy as hell. She loves to slowly strip off those cute pajama pants before letting you taste her sweet cunt... but don't worry, she'll reward you by sucking your cock till you cum all over her sweet chest. She loves to give head and the more blowjobs, the better. Oh, and she swallows too... (Now What??? this is where you should have sold them :) )

maybe like this instead:

Jennica is young, legal, blonde, and sexy as hell. She loves to slowly strip off those cute pajama pants before letting you taste her sweet cunt... but don't worry, she'll reward you by sucking your cock till you cum all over her sweet chest. She loves to give head and the more blowjobs, the better. Oh, and she swallows too... Skip The Sample Pix & Start Downloading Jennica In DVD Quality Video HERE!

Just an example, and is that 59 or so click to sponsor or the gallery?? 59 is real low where are you submitting??

Thats 59 to the gallery itself. It seemed low to me as well.

I'm submitting to 250 or so TGPs, some of which are:

www.thehornysheep.com
www.18faces.com
www.1-free-nude-pics.com
www.1freepussy.com
www.20pics.com
www.3x-tgp.com
www.404.bz
www.69lix.com
www.69pornoplace.com
www.6tgp.com
www.aaasexpictures.com
www.abcsexpics.com
www.absolutesexxx.com
www.actual-porn.com
www.adultcategory.com
www.adult-serie.com
www.adult-xxx-world.com
www.ajerkb4work.com
www.allnakednow.com
www.beavertown.com
www.bestofthumbs.com
www.bimbo-sex.com
www.bitchcenter.com
www.boobweb.com
www.candyfox.com
www.catlist.com
www.cumlate.com
www.cumpool.com
www.deluxelist.com
www.dirtytgp.net
www.drippingplasma.com
www.drumsthumbs.com
www.easyfreeporn.com
www.elite-galleries.com
www.evilpurple.com


This is just a sample of some of the TGPs Ive been submitting to. Some of the sites have been declining my galleries due to the number of outgoing links... I have been trying to minimize the amount of outgoing links, and sometimes their scripts our counting more than I count on the gallery. I have tried to optimize all of the recip links so that each only has one outgoing anchor link in it.

I've been submitting to each TGP manually... I'm still not sure why I'm not getting the hits in. All of your help is appreciated.

wow, that is strange 59 or so and all thoose tgps, sounds like they didn't list you, do you have chameoleon submitter?? if not try that i have been using it the last month it's well worth the 20 bucks a month, makes everything so fast, lets me concentrate on the gallery rather than paste and copy bullshit lol :) it ussually generates 300+ for me to sub too and i get a bunch of traffic. I didn't look to see how many links, but 2 should be fine, not sure how many you are using. 3 links is ok on video with 6 movies.

I will admit that the new simpler gallery looks like it has some hope, at least to my eye. Certainly tuning the sales text will help, working on getting the surfer to move forward to the tour (or even the join page directly) would be the goal, so getting that text right will help.

Alex

I just had a depressing realization that may be an answer to the lack of hits questions. When I started submitting galleries, a year or so ago, I was using counters that used javascript (to track referrals, etc). I was using them because it gave me greater access to individual gallery stats than the server stats did. I stopped using them... but is there a case that a majority of the TGPs may have banned me for the javascript counter?

i don't think your banned?? does it say you are when you try to submit??

No, it has never said that before... I wasn't aware if the scripts would say it out front or not. I was just worried about the inclusion of javascripts in those early galleries. If I'm not banned... is it just the quality of these galleries that is causing such a low amount of traffic? I guess its hard to pinpoint.