Newbie submitter needs assistance
 

Hi, I started my own link list a couple weeks back and I decided to start submitting free sites myself. I think I will go with 24 pictures per free site (12 per page) and build a new template for each free site and submit a new one every couple days until I have around 30 or 40 templates. Then Ill just watch the click-throughs and see who lists what templates and replace the non-performers. I have a couple of questions before I get started submitting though.

I noticed a few of the link lists say they dont like sponsor content. I can understand that they probably see the same content over and over and they make this rule "No sponsor content" because of this. But Ive spent quite a bit of time looking through alot of the free sites listed in the niche I want to promote and none of them were using the sponsor I selected or the content. The problem I have with this is that the sponsor I have chosen to promote doesnt allow you to use your own content to promote their site. And this is actually the same with alot of sponsors I looked over. They want the person joining their site to be able to view the model on the gallery, inside the members area. Im sure it helps retention and keeps charge-backs low.

When I registered my adult domains, one for my link list the other for my free sites, I chose to keep my whois information private. I read a post last week where a link list owner told a newbie submitter that, because their whois info was private, that they probably wouldnt get listed at alot of sites. I didnt consider that link list owners wouldnt list my sites because of my private whois information. Is this a big problem or will I be ok as long as I follow all the rules that are actually posted on the submit pages?

Ok, so here are my questions.

1.) will I be ok using sponsor content? I chose a sponsor that doesnt appear to be promoted too much and the pictures are very good quality.

2.) will I be ok with my private whois information?

3.) I am a complete newbie to this and I have about a snowballs chance in hell of getting a partner submit account at alot of the link lists. Noone knows my name and I dont have any sites listed anywhere right now. If you have your own link list and would like some submissions could you please post your url and I will add you to my list.

Thats all the questions I have right now. Im about 1/4 done building my first free site and Ill post for reviews in a different thread when its completed.

Thanks,
WB

1. Very few LLs that I know of have a no exeptions rule against sponsor content. If the sponsor you use is underpromoted you shouldn't have a problem. Otherwise grab new content and use it right away while it is still fresh. If it hasn't been seen a lot, you should still be OK.

2. Private whois will be a problem for many.

3. Partner accounts aren't as common in the LL world (yet?) as in the TGP world. There are plenty of "open" LLs to submit to.

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2. Private whois will be a problem for many.
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I think thats sorta funny in a way. I paid the extra few bucks to make it private when I could have simply lied and gotten the same effect for free :) Sort of a funny rule I think but... their sites, their rules.

I cant figure out why anyone would need my whois information? Maybe they plan on stopping by the house and saying hi |waves|

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13 posts, almost all of them spam for dreamsubmitter...

Is spamming all you are capable of?

I should have posted this in the newbie forum... Actually, I spent a bit of time in there tonight and pretty much got all my questions answered (even the ones i forgot to ask ;))

Thanks,
WB

Well, the thing is when you submit your site to a LL you're asking to do business with the owner. I for one like to know who I'm doing business with. Of course you can lie about anything, but having your info publicly available at least gives some reassurance that you're on the straight and narrow (this may be a bad assumption to make, since cheaters are of course the worst liars of all).

In another thread on the same subject I saw a very good analogy: Would you do business in the brick and mortar world with someone who kept his identity a secret?

I wont argue about it because thems the rules. I can live with it. I will submit everywhere, get listed wherever I can, and eventually build up a good reputation for myself. I can garauntee the sites that list me 100% effort towards quality and no funny business. Hell, Ill even give them my real name if they ask. But I wont ever make that information available to the general public. When I was registering I figured that alot of adult webmasters had private whois information. I certainly wouldnt want anyone in this little town knowing I have an adult site. At least not until Im making some good money from it :)

Now that Im a bit more experienced with this whole thing I can see the point - to a point. If we lived in a more perfect world cheaters would all use their real names and info when registering domains. But I think if someone is going to scam they wouldnt go and get private whois information... that costs extra dammit! lol. Its supposed to be better |badidea|

This subject comes up every few weeks it seems.

And every new free site builder has pretty much the same reasons. As has been said so many times in the past, if you're that concerned about being involved in this business...it might be worth a re-think about getting involved in this business. Your choice of course :)

However, you will find that a lot of link sites will instantly decline your submissions based solely on that private whois...no matter how clean your sites may look.

Theres nothing to re-think Mr Yum. I choose to keep my personal information private. I did the same on my mainstream domains and Im glad I didnt re-think getting into that business.

I dont want to argue about it and theres really no point in argueing. I have my whois information private, its going to stay that way. The sites that wont list me because of this I simply wont submit to. Ive gotten my entire submit list from the greenguy and jims resource pages and from following links in posts here on the board. I visit one adult webmaster board and this is it. Everyone knows me now or at least will eventually know me. If I scam you you can come back here and call me names or something. I dont know what else to say... Im ok with you not listing my site. I dont have any hard feelings about it. Im sure you and all the others who have this rule have good reasons. But its not going to change my decision and Im not going to quit simply because there are some people who think they need to know it.

Oh my god... I think I just ranted lol. Sorry about that. I re-read my post and it sounds like I have veins popping out of my forehead while Im writing |catfight| I just spent the last 8 hours straight working on my first free site and I need some sleep. The sad thing is that I spent all that time on it and it looks like SHIT! Oh well... probably wont get listed because of the whois thing anyways lol.

This adult thing is just a hobby until I start seeing some green from it. I think that if I can get listed regularly at a few link lists of other board members that I will eventually get a good reputation and maybe a few of you will let the whois thing slide. If not, Im ok with that too. Ill just have to work extra hard to find the ll's that will list me. And I DO have a little link list of my own that Ive been working on ;) And its coming along pretty nicely too I must say.

Later,
WB!

No worries WB...we all get a little animated from time to time :D

Good luck man...I got a hunch you're gonna need it |thumb

What a smug and hurtful thing to say. Im thinking less and less of you all the time Mr Yum. Ive had quite a bit of success in everything Ive done in my life and I have no reason to believe that this will be any different. I choose to keep my personal information private, If you cant understand or respect that then its your problem. I dont need to get listed on your link list or trade links with you or have any contact with you at all. It wont effect me one bit.

When you read my posts and see my post count you see a newbie. But I can assure you that Im no newbie to internet marketing and sales. Ive been doing mainstream for over 5 years and Ive been very successful with it. Ive been spending my days since I started into adult building up my web and pyramids and sooner or later Im going to start getting spidered, traffic and sales. Thats just the way it is. Theres no luck involved, just experience, research and hard work.

WB

Oh what I wouldnt do for a delete button right now. |banghead|

I'm sure glad you posted that.

Reading words online, sometimes it's hard to be sure how someone means something. But having been here a little while, I can assure you that while MrYum may have been smiling and shaking his head a bit as he typed the "good luck man...I got a hunch you're gonna need it" part, he was not feeling smug or trying to be hurtful. In fact, I'd say he's gone out of his way to be helpful in this thread, as he does very often on this board.

WarBot, I can see you have a lot of things going for you, many of which should lead to success in the adult biz world. One thing I'll caution you about, however, is that this biz is a pretty small world. And like with other small worlds, it can take a bit of time to be accepted by those already living in it. Denigrating a respected and well-established member of the community probably wasn't going to help much with that.

I hope you'll take the advice you've been offered, and that you do well with your new adult business, WarBot. In part because if you do have success with it, one day you'll probably try to offer some helpful advice based on your actual experiences to someone new on an adult webmaster board. And then that person will completely misread what your intention was, and he'll tell you how you're being smug and hurtful and that you've lowered his opinion of you.

Right about then you'll know how MrYum probably felt when he read your first post of this morning. Fortunately, I don't think that will knock him off his usual willing-to-help position on most things. And hopefully, if and when it happens to you, it won't knock you off of yours either.

Simon

Again, no worries WB...though I am glad to see you posted the above :)

Just to be really clear, Simon hit the nail on the head. I certainly wish you no ill will...which is why I'm not posting in your review thread. I've made my opinion on the subject perfectly clear in this thread...others will make their own choices in the other thread without my input.

I don't doubt your success at all in mainstream, as you're obviously a rather intelligent individual...which comes across clearly in your posts. I also have no doubts of your potential for success in the adult arena. I'm simply trying to offer up my own experiences as a free site builder and link list owner/reviewer over the past several years.

So, with all that said...you're going to do what you're doing to do. And you'll learn from those experiences over time. I would also add that you'll find the adult arena to be quite different from mainstream in a lot of ways.

And with that, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. If I may ever be of assistance, feel free to hit me up |shake|

Simon, thanks very much for the kind words...greatly appreciated my friend :)

Even I would debate that one with you.

The main difference (IMHO) is that there are alot more websites/pages going after alot fewer keywords. I mean, in mainstream you can promote everything from acne cream to zippers but there are only so many keywords associated with porn that have a corresponding paysite to promote with those keywords. There are alot of odd fetishes like boot wearing redheads and bearded midgets but you'll be lucky to find a sponsor site for 1/10th of the less mainstream niches and fetishes. So what you end up with are 60,000,000 pages all optimized for the keyword porn or lesbian or whatnot.

I think the biggest mistake I made going in was that I didnt consider that I would need to get public submissions from somewhere to fill up my link list. I had my mind on other aspects and completely overlooked that part. About 1/2 way through building my site I realized that I had no clue where to begin getting them. I spent a while looking around and ended up signing up with linkalotapuss's submit page trade... thing. Which he didnt list my site by the way, and an auto-submitter program called russian submitter.

Neither of them have sent me any submissions. I get a trinkle of tgp and free site submissions right now but... nothing near what I need. I dont want to start looking for link trades until I get a decent amount of submitted content, but I probably wont get very much submitted content unless I have some link trades...

Speaking as a person who was born, raised and still living in a small town I can say that its much worse not to stand up for yourself if you think someones giving you the business. If you dont it makes you look bad and feel bad. I dont care if the person is 10 foot tall wearing an iron suit, if I think they are giving me crap Ill punch em in the nose. There are 2 problems with this

1.) Sometimes the guy you punch in the nose really did mean good luck.
2.) Sometimes the guy you punch in the nose is the only one leaving the bar at 2:00am in the middle of december who has jumper cables.

WB

Oooh. Been there. (j/k). That one made me laugh!|thumb

Not sure how I'd missed this post...
 

You have no idea of some of the things I see daily |dizzy|

Careful, you're starting to sound fairly intelligent again :D

Starting a new link site is a LONG and arduous process. It becomes a love/hate relationship over time...not unlike my last marriage.

It can take months sometimes to get listed with linkalotapuss. I seem to recall he's usually got about 50 projects going at once and it takes him a while to get around to new listings at times.

As for content, you can certainly add some sponsor hosted free sites to your categories. You're also welcome to harvest any listings you'd like from my site...provided you write your own descriptions.

To get new submitters, there are a couple things you can do. One is to post in the Link Trades forums here asking for submit page (or other pages too) trades. Getting some trades up with other sites should get you a few new submitters. You'll also find as your se rankings improve, submitters will start coming to you as they see your site in the engines.

Oh, and don't worry...once you really get rolling...the Russians will find you and you'll get tons of sites every day :D


Agreed, one must stand up for oneself at all times. I remember once facing down a 300 pound linkbacker in my youth because my girlfriend had flipped him off. Fortunately, I had a motorcycle helmet in my hand at the time...long story :D

Hell, WB...I could fit both 1 and 2 there...lol