Hoes - 30 sites per category?
 

Not sure if I'm just getting lost here, but I can't find the cfnm category, and looking at other categories, I'm seeing only 30 links to freesites/blogs per page - is that indeed the case?

I noticed the same thing about a month ago, actually if my memory is correct they were listing 40 with no archives/page2 so I guess they dropped it some more.

Wow, another one that's going in another SE direction?

for awhile it was 25 for awhile I believe. It's in flux I guess.

I guess I feel much better that they list each of mine then.

As much as limiting links per category via pagination or expiration may seem sucky to submitters, it's an intelligent SEO move for a link list owner. (I believe Google stated that they'd like to see less than 100 external links per page.) Let's face it, everything we do is spammy and we're dying out there.

It's great for a site owner, so long as webmasters keep submitting though. :)

-N

Actually if you're doing better with SE you don't need more than a handful of quality submitters to keep your content fresh. More than a handful can mean less to your bottom line if it affects SE in a bad way.
And if you're doing well as a LL owner with SE, your submitters will be happier.

Do they rotate the sites, or do they just sink to bottom forever...?

I do understand why it might be good for SEO, but I hadn't noticed that before. I remember there being a lot more free sites listed on each category page. And didn't there used to be a way to get to 'more' of the free sites listings?

I'm wondering what happens to the submitted free sites that webmasters invest their time to build and submit...are they just displayed until they're pushed off those 30 available slots by new submissions? That might not take more than a few days with popular categories.

Does anyone remember a thread about whether Link Lists keep the submitted sites listed forever, adding them to archive pages accessible to the surfers, or just delete them from their databases after some period of time? I'm going to look for it, but if you remember/find it, please let me know. I think the time-value of a submitted link may be another important consideration in creating recip groupings in the future.

UW said "...limiting links per category via pagination or expiration may seem sucky to submitters, it's an intelligent SEO move for a link list owner" and I agree that doing this via pagination could be a good thing, it's the idea of 'expiration' that troubles me. It just seems a bit strange/unfair to insist on webmasters taking the time to build quality free sites if they're only to have a life-expectancy of a few days.

Is it just me who thinks that?

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I list sites until they start redirecting. But then I don't get all that much traffic when compared to Hoes...

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...esites+forever

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...esites+forever

NO

Thanks pclit |thumb

Looks like one thread from 2004 and one from 2005.

Might be time for a new thread to see who does what in 2009.

Heading over to read those threads and make some notes.

Absolutely not. My earlier post was merely to explain to those who may be confused about why a link list owner would do that. Marc, the owner of Hoes, is big on experimentation, so it wouldn't be a big surprise to see him continuously change the number of links being displayed on a single category page just to gauge the reaction of Google et al.

the 30 that are there I believe are rotated out. So one day you are on the page and the next you might be on the archive page. The new links are up there for a couple days or something straight.

I know there's a "new links" page with maybe 200 free sites listed from the last few days of updates. When you're first listed your site appears on the "new links" page in addition to the category page.

But I really need some help finding those "archive" pages you mention. I can find the category pages just fine, and those have just the 30 free sites listed, but I can't find any links anywhere to archived listings.

Can you, or anyone else, show me where there are archived older free sites linked from somewhere?

|huh

looks like the archive pages are gone as of right now. appears to be another test of something or other.

Hoes.com has been popular for years, and surfers know that they can always get good porn there. I do know surfers can go through 30 links in less than an hour. If your link list doesn't offer what the surfer wants, he will go elsewhere and the traffic will go down sharply. If you have a well established reputation (like Hoes.Com) is SEO really nirvana? I thought building attractive sites that sell was the goal here, not the almighty SEO.

You can blow through 30 fresh freesites in a day in the popular categories. Great for surfers in one way because the sites are always fresh. But what about the guy that saw something cool and wants to show his buddies that next weekend? Too bad, it's gone. A lot of the quality builders only submit to 12 or 16 or 20 link lists. If a site is going to drop off that fast, why waste prime real estate?

Marc, don't get me wrong. I love your site and have submitted to you (and been accepted) for years now. You do send awesome traffic and run a beautiful site. What happens next month when Google decides that sites should have 100 links per page and you don't have quality submitters anymore? What happens when your visitors don't find enough to keep them entertained and move onto a site with more links?

My Thoughts :)
 

I've been watching this thread for a while now. I've even drafted 2 posts and deleted them.

As a newbie all I can say is roll with the punches. It is what it is kinda thing. I've promoted Movie Room and I've submitted to Hoes pretty diligently for the last year.

Marc has brought me good sales to my projects where others here felt more comfortable taking shit on me.

Recently I went to Marc promoting my new venture @ DTI. Which he started to bring traffic and sales right away. So In my case love begets love.

A few months ago I thought to myself. "Should I replace that recip" on that freesite which has been scrolled out with my own link list recip? I looked at my stats and surfed the LL's in search for answers. The only thing I can come up with is leave them as is and build more more more.

Link List and freesite traffic is slowly dying and losing steam to the tubes. I see a lot of submitters and LL's owners leaving the biz. This just plain sux and there's no real solution accept for what Marc is doing. That being... list the freesites for a short while and create those one way back links. Hoping the almighty Google will bump you up. If you think about it that does benefit the submitters new listings. When a surfer finds your freesite while searching googles top rankings and clicks on Hoes. Who benefits?

I think most of us including me forget to realize that it's free to submit to the biggies. So we should stop bitchin and be grateful. Has anyone played the TGP game? Speak up if you do and list your monthly invoices from Submit Passes or whoever. I dare you. DTI just plopped 700.00 today for a just a few passes.

In conclusion my answer to my own question is that it's Marc's list and what he chooses to do with it ..is his own biz. I will back him up just like I would back up everyone else around here. That's just my gut feeling on this one. As a submitter as a webmaster and as an affiliate manager.

Don't misunderstand me, LeRoy - I am not bitching and I am not turning my back on Marc. I am questioning more than anything else and watching trends. I see some webmasters that literally kill themselves to embrace whatever flavor Google is pushing this week forgetting that the googlemonster is a fickle beast. If this race for *the* top spot destroys your product, is it worth it? Some of the people leaving are just plain burned out or have moved on to a different phase of their lives where adult is not appropriate any more.

Are we misinterpreting traffic? Sure it is down, but it is down across the board and not just adult. A lot of people had to make a choice between food for their families and internet access. I am not talking about even having the few dollars to join a paysite, I am talking just access to the web. In my own circle of about a dozen friends, I know of at least 4 who no longer have any access - not even dial-up. That's a pretty serious hit. When they can get access, the first thing they do is check the links they remember. I am constantly amazed at the number of people who never even use a search engine but go to a website based on friend recommendations. Others rebel and won't use the big names. Who are you going to please?

Let's see where the tubes are in a year. My best gut feeling is that the surfer is going to get tired of the circlejerks, poor quality, malware, and viruses that are picked up visiting these sites and come back to the quality. I do hope that the builders who submit based on traffic don't desert Marc when they don't see as many hits coming back from him.

Must be hard being so perfect......I fee for you

Hey Smiths, theres no need to make personal attacks on me ...Not my fault you were caught doing what you did. Im merely stating Im grateful that Hoes lists me when I submit to them.

it was said tounge in cheek NY

Yes, I started doing paid submits for TGPs about a year ago, and find I get better returns on my investment of time than LLs. Go figure, I never thought that would be the case.

This past month I've scaled back on my purchases due to budget reasons, but I hope within a few months to be back up to spending about $250/month on paid submits which is what I have been averaging for about a year.

All my link lists list forever until they redirect or go 404. We have had a TON go 404 and redirect in the past month, way more than normal. I think a lot of people are getting out of the biz, or letting some of their domains go and scaling back.