About Starting a new LL
 

I have done most other forms of porn sites, i.e. TGP, Pay, PicPost,Blogs, etc. But I always wanted to do a LL just never wanted to devote the time. I have changed my mind since then and have the time available to actually do it.

As far as good mechanics and web fundamentals (scripting,software,graphics), I am in great shape, the only thing I lack in LL sites is of course the experience. So I was wondering about a few things, maybe some of you might want to chime in on these points, I would appreciate any and all input you could muster.

- Best way to initially populate the link database? I figure I could either build a bunch from scratch myself, used sponsor free sites (although this would kind of put the LL in a Spam category right away no?) or request submissions but don't populate until you reach X number of sites. Or I guess LL owners would not like it if you copied some sites from their list right? Even though their link is up there? I always wondered how they would feel about that (of course I would ask first)

- Is it best to just pick one format (say LL) at first and not LL, TGP, PicPost,Blog etc. I guess I could add those later as the traffic justifies it no?

Of course there are other things to consider, but those were the two that came to mind initially.

Thanks,

NN

Best advice: Don't do anything, but if you must...

I used sponsor free sites to fill cat's and I don't think it looked spammy, I mixed them up though so I didn't have five in a row from the same sponsor (their free sites tend to be cookie cutter sites)

Copying free sites that are already listed at LL's shouldn't be a problem, like you say, their recip is already there.

If you take submissions, don't wait till you have x number of sites, go ahead and list them as you get them. Webmasters will appreciate that.

I started out listing only free sites but now take gallery pages and pic posts from those here at the board. Your call on what you want to list.

And there are several here that have clean (no recip links) free sites you can use to start populating your cat's. Here's mine, I'm sure others will post theirs Clean sites

Thanks for the input, but I am curious as to why the best advice would be to not do anything? Better than creating another Tube Site or TGP no? I think Link Lists serve the AW fairer than TGP's or Tubes do.

I think the reason Licker says not to do anything is that there are already thousands of LL's out there and unless yours is radically better than what's now available you likely won't make a lot of money with it.

Read this thread
It'll give you a good idea of what you're up against.

I fuck around few days regarding to build or not to build a LL or/and a free site.
Thanks for that great thread sheepguy.

Some good advice already posted in this thread.

I've been toying with the idea of allowing gallery submits to my LL but so far have decided not to.

I don't mind listings being borrowed from my LL and here is a page with a bunch of no recip clean free sites.

i have found that LL's are pretty hard to monetize unless you are also building and submitting FS's. Knowing what I know now I wish I had stuck with building FS's and not gotten into running LL's...

Hmm, good advice for both arguments here. Yes, you are right, there are already a million other LL's out there and what good is one more. But there are a lot of every kind of site out there so if you go by that you will just not do anything unless it is truly pioneering.

Why would a LL be so different to monetize than a FS? Both surfers are the same person no? Looking for free porn, but possibly something more. I dunno, maybe it is, that is why I am asking anyway right? |huh

Oh and thanks for offers to copy listings if needed, as well as clean FS. I haven't decided yet. I know this, if I did one it would be a good one, not some half assed attempt at one.

This is definitely the board to be on for advice on LL.

Damn SheepGuy, I never saw that link til just now. That is very informing, I appreciate the info. I am not as concerned with the money intially as I would be with just getting the experience and stuff. If I didn't turn a profit for a year it really wouldn't be that big a deal for me, as I have many other streams of income.

Very informative though, most people don't open up like he did, ego gets in the way.

Exactly. If I had wanted to be an asshole or a smartass I wouldn't have given any suggestions. It was a tongue-in-cheek remark. Good luck with whatever you decide to do and never hesitate to ask here. |thumb Plenty here smarter than me that can help you navigate the ocean of webmastering.

You might consider a niche link list. My niche list seems to do much better in the SE's as there are not as many list to compete with.

I appreciate your input nonetheless.

NN

That was another idea I had, yes. But what niche to use would be the deciding factor I think. After all, there are only so many "Asian Midgets Who Fuck Each Other With Snap-On Torque Wrenches" free sites that webmasters would be willing to create you know?

NN

Well, I am starting a LL, I appreciate everyone's input and most certainly will be probing for more info as I go :) Even if it is not a financial success for awhile, it will help me learn a lot more about how traffic really works. I know the basics of course, but I want my knowledge of averages, trends, ratios, etc. to be 2nd nature to me. In my experience, the most successful webmasters I have ever met are the ones who were masters at traffic, getting it, keeping it, converting it, filtering it, etc.

NN

Good luck, bro. |thumb










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Thank you! Evidently I will need it :)

NN

Having started 2 niche link lists in the past year (with a third about 60% ready), I can tell you it is a massive amount of work. When you are building sites, you are only dealing with getting your product out there to be clicked on. When you switch gears and do a link list, you have to deal with submitters on top of the sponsors you already have. You now must also drive traffic to your list or you don't get the great builders to submit to you. There are hundreds of other LLs out there - why should a webmaster submit to your new list with little or no traffic?

Most LL owners will tell you the number of quality submits is down, which makes it doubly hard to stock a list. Sure, you can get "clean" sites and use them to fill in, then begin to build like a mad fool until you get enough submits. If you do fill in with sponsor galleries, you may want to consider limiting the number and swap them out periodically for fresh ones.

Think about why you are doing it, and if you really have the time and energy to devote to your project. When I do freesites, I like to have at least 1 niched link list on each mirror. I could not find many active LLs for the niches I tend to build, so I began to build and beg my buddies for submits. I have had one sale from my first one, but they are too new to really have a record yet.

Good luck.... and I hope you enjoy the endless hours of mindless coding.

I think your best bet would be to spam your own LL with all your links. Build freesites with your link next to the biggies every day. Thats the best it's gonna get for you on your LL.

Forget about submitters cuz you wont have many unless your'e in some type of bro club round here.

Not trying to be harsh but just being real.

Appreciate the input, but can I ask you.. if it is such a bad idea, why do you have 2 and are about to finish a 3rd? Why not follow your own advice if it is such a pointless waste of time? Not being a wiseass, really curious about that.

NN

Anyway, just changed my LL hosting to Colocation, after hearing what I heard about Exmasters I figured I would start everything from hear out on CLC. The way I see it, this is the place I will find many link partners and advice for running a LL, so if the main players all ban my host, then I am fucked from the start.

I honestly wouldn't do it if I thought they were just being bullyish and unreasonable, but from what I read there are several well established reasons for the ban, I did a ton of reading on it before I made up my mind.

NNick

A lack of submitters has nothing to do with being part of the "in" crowd.

Useless, I can't believe the speed of my Colocation Server, I have Optimum Online Boost in NY here so it is real fast. With my other host the FTP was indeed quick. But man, when i signed in to transfer my files to my CLC server I was stunned. I still am just amazed at how f'in fast I uploaded all my files. Awesome box!

NNick

Colocation is awesome, and it is a great mood. I have the niched and microniched LLs going because I think other freesite and gallery builders are like me - they want a niched list to submit to but can't find many active ones. I know that some search engines pay more attention to how relevant your links are compared to the number of them (which was one reason behind the category links for the LLs). Is it still true today? I would say probably yes based on the relatively few LLs that want a general recip versus category. My little LLs just offer an additional choice. They also offer a playground for me to experiment in things like a vidpost (single video on a single page, much like a pic post) - toys that may not be submitted everywhere but let me try new things.

I think you are both talking about Colo-cation and not Colocation.

Yeah great host, they host all of my perversions. :D

Yes, Ma'am we are speaking of that infamous Sparky and his fantastic Colo-cation service. One of the very best around, and one of the best investments for even a half-serious webmaster. (Never post when half asleep!)