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Chop Smith 2004-07-08 12:36 AM

Cleo - Mozilla Question
 
I began using Mozilla a couple a days ago. I noticed it being slow and blamed it on the weather since it was cloudy and my connection out here on the lake is via satelite. Then I had this problem. Later, I noticed that the pages were not loading completly as shown in the status bar of this image . 'Transferring data from stats.ars4real' never goes away.

I have convinced myself that it is related to java script but can not find a solution. If I am correct, it is probably in some damn setting that I did not make after installation.

Got a clue?

DangerDave 2004-07-08 01:28 AM

Chop.....


I am not Cleo but.............

It is possibly just a bad cache, try killing ya cache and see if that improves it..

I just went to ARS and GGand J in Moz and got both to load fully.

DD

Chop Smith 2004-07-08 01:52 AM

No, DD, before I started this thread I killed the cache. The jpg that I linked to was made immediatly after I cleared it.

However, when I came in to read your reply, the damn thing loaded properly. I then browsed around the board and all seems fine. One of those freaky things I guess.

MrYum 2004-07-08 02:15 AM

Hey there Chop |waves|

Not Cleo here either, but much like yourself...I went to Mozilla a few days ago. Very cool so far...and haven't noticed the issues you describe. It does sometimes kinda squish text on pages together...dont' know what's up with that...but it' s no deal breaker either.

Sure do like the extra security of not being quite so vulnerable to all the nasties on the net.

So far...|thumb from this porn slinger!

And the Mozilla mail client is great! So far, I actually like it better than the browser...good stuff all around =)

Hope you get your issues fixed up soon...

Surfn 2004-07-08 02:20 AM

I experience the same thing on and off. It's just the net load on routers. This time of day when the load begins to lower things usually run a bit quicker ;)

Chop Smith 2004-07-08 03:13 AM

Damn thing still will not do a sort on the resource database. Check this out! At least it knows that it is slow.

urb 2004-07-08 04:41 AM

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

Opti 2004-07-08 06:25 AM

Again I'm not Cleo,


But I have been meaning to post about Firefox too since I tried it after so many glowing recommendations...


My Short Verdict on Firefox: A Piece Of Rubbish!


* It is VERY sensitive to poorly coded html and many sites have problems like Chopsmith has with the resource section here. (compare what the mesage post form here looks like in IE and then Firefox for another example of how great it is)

* Almost all of my own admin and some sponsor admin areas that use any form of scripting not only dont work properly but in one case worked so incorrectly I deleted a number of database entries without even realising it.

* It renders HTML a lot differently to IE... even less like IE than Netscape6 did imho. And you cant have confidence in what you are seeing as it is easy to read a page like ChopSmith did and not even be aware you are missing part of the information.

* The import IE settings not only didnt work on my system it crashed XP every time I tried it... Nothing else I can recall has ever done that.... But this piece of crappy software can at will!



In my mind this software is SO BAD that I cant believe I actually downloaded the same thing all the other people I have seen posting here love so much.

On the upside.... the tabbed browsing and bookmark system is a wonderful idea.... but I bet MS have it too before this lot even get this product feeling like it should be out of beta

urb 2004-07-08 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Opti

In my mind this software is SO BAD that I cant believe I actually downloaded the same thing all the other people I have seen posting here love so much.

I'm using FireFox right now. I've been to the same pages as posted above. I've used it on forms, ccbill admin, links2 admin and various flavours of bulletin board .... and I have had zero problems with it.

Do you think it could be an OS prob?

Opti 2004-07-08 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by urb
I'm using FireFox right now. I've been to the same pages as posted above. I've used it on forms, ccbill admin, links2 admin and various flavours of bulletin board .... and I have had zero problems with it.

Do you think it could be an OS prob?


I guess it is obviously system related... but I think the basic issue is that it is simply very sensitive to non-perfect code.


I am sure if you dont have these issues or need to use any non compatible sites it seems fine.. but I suspect most people would be having problems with site's displaying wrong information like Chopsmith described and simply be unaware it was happening.

urb 2004-07-08 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Opti
but I think the basic issue is that it is simply very sensitive to non-perfect code.

These guys should be testing their work using more than one browser.

It's as simple as that IMO. :)

I test everything in IE and then in at least one Gecko browser.

Cleo 2004-07-08 08:06 AM

I am Cleo and I mostly use Safari these days. LOL

Actually I do have to use Mozilla with CCBill's new admin since that is the only browser that it works correctly in on the Mac. I also use it for doing geek type stuff and for testing.

Angel has two PCs. A laptop that it works very well on and a desktop that is badly infected with all kinds of crap and has Zone alarm installed. On this machine Mozilla is so slow that it is unusable. I think it has something to do with Zone alarm but not really sure.

Angel couldn't stand the fact that Luna and I had zero problems with our Macs so has ordered a 17 Powerbook just like mine that should be here this week. Once it gets here I'm taking the two drives out of her desktop and putting them in FireWire cases, copying everything off of them, and reformatting them as Mac volumes.

Chop Smith 2004-07-08 08:18 AM

Hold on fellows, this ain't helping to solve my problem.

Quote:

Originally posted by urb
These guys should be testing their work using more than one browser.
I suspect that Jim and Greenguy did test this site with more than one browser. But there is a problem. It could be my OS. It could be the script on the resource page. Or it could be a bug in Mozilla. I don't know what is causing it so I asked for help not a damn debate on who will win a "browser war"

Earlier I found this. See #75

If you a search for "a script on this page is causing mozilla" , I think it becomes apparent that the Mozilla Development team is well aware of the problem

urb 2004-07-08 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chop Smith
I asked for help not a damn debate on who will win a "browser war"

Tell us what OS and version of Mozilla you are using. Also Norton Personal Firewall has been known to cause problems with scripts.

Chop Smith 2004-07-08 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
I am Cleo...
Hello Cleo!

Did not mean to use your name in vain. I was confused in thinking tha you used Mozilla as your primary browser.

Mozilla is slow but it has some good features also.

Jim Barksdale and I were frat brothers at Ole Miss a hundred years ago, but I never could like Netscape.

Cleo 2004-07-08 08:42 AM

I installed Firefox on Angel's PC laptop and it is way faster then IE.

Mozilla on a Mac, or one of its flavors like FireFox, is very fast but not as fast as Safari.

Chop Smith 2004-07-08 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by urb
Tell us what OS and version of Mozilla you are using. Also Norton Personal Firewall has been known to cause problems with scripts.
Mozilla 1.7

XP Professional, but I test on a Win98 machine. Same problem occurs on it.

I have disabled my firewall as all software developers, including me, tend to blame Norton. Same problem.

Another possibility it could be in the proxy settings as direcway is also buggy, but it is the best I can do.

Cleo 2004-07-08 08:54 AM

Not sure about the PC but on a Mac Mozilla does not use the system proxy settings and instead has its own proxy settings in the app's preferences.

urb 2004-07-08 09:05 AM

I installed Fire Fox on a friend's Win98 machine, because the standard Mozilla kept crashing.

So far, Fire Fox is stable on that machine.

Just wondering if Opti is also using XP pro?

Linkster 2004-07-08 09:30 AM

Chop - I just did a fresh D/L of Firefox onto my Win XP Pro machine using a Direcway 6000 router/modem. It installed fine and came over to the board and tried the same sort as you on the traffic DB, with no errors. The only thing I had to do for this board was load the flash plugin, otherwise everything looks fine - and not having the same problem with the bar image stuck like you showed. I do not have any firewall installed other than the builtin network firewall that came with my 4 port router I use to run the network here - which is definitely not much of a firewall LOL :)

Opti 2004-07-08 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by urb
I installed Fire Fox on a friend's Win98 machine, because the standard Mozilla kept crashing.

So far, Fire Fox is stable on that machine.

Just wondering if Opti is also using XP pro?


Yep.

Chop Smith 2004-07-08 09:58 AM

Good morning, Linkster.

At this moment I am browsing with FoxFire 0.9.1. I still have the problem on the resource page sort and I can not see any difference in the speed.

I am leaning to beleive it is my direcway settings. I have on the earliest two way systems. You had to tweak the hell out of them to get good browsing speed. They have come a long way in the last two years.

Think I will take advantage of that $100 discount and upgrade to 6000 router/modem and the business package. In the mean time I am going bact to IE and going to work. Wasted too much time on this BS.

Man, I alway appreciate your input.

Also DD, Opti, urb, Cleo and Surfn, thanks for taking your time.

Jeremy 2004-07-08 11:11 AM

I'm not Cleo, nor do I play her on TV :-)

I've been using FireFox for the last 8 months or so and it's bloody brilliant.

However.... very occasionally, I've had similar things happen, often on pages with heavy JavaScript, but nothing that's comnpletely slowed down overall surfing & it seems to happen on two diff machines with diff OSs & on diff networks.

I put it down to slightly crappy JS coding (especially when people do forms with JS).

EG on the sponsor resource page, if I click to sort by Free Trials, I get two "Yes" and then the rest of the "Yes" ones clumped together in the middle - dunno why :-(

Chop Smith 2004-07-08 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeremy
EG on the sponsor resource page, if I click to sort by Free Trials, I get two "Yes" and then the rest of the "Yes" ones clumped together in the middle - dunno why :-(
Exactly! Thanks for confirming it. If you try it enough you will get that error message.

Perhaps it is something on that page, but if I was Jim I would not waste my time trying to find it.

Linkster 2004-07-08 11:47 AM

I dont know if this has anything to do with the problem - but I have Not installed any java plugin or VM on Firefox yet - it did ask me if I wanted to D/L the plugin from Netscape but I closed that out :)


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