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Originally Posted by Monsieur
But they still have some updates (pretty much on a quarterly basis) which you can use as a hint for the PR so you'll just need to look at the PRs right after a new update to find out the current PRs of pages.
And yes, the Toolbar PR ist useless, but in another way, because it's very vague, especially when a page gets to a higher PR. Reason for that is that the internal PR of a site is not the one Google shows in the toolbar.
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Monsieur - I really dont understand what you are trying to say here - but I can tell you that the PR shown after an update (which btw is not quarterly anymore) is complete BS - the closest you can come to a real number is to look at the site in the Google Directory and if you know how to read the little green bars next to the sites in the directory, they will give you a somewhat good indication of it's PR for the page they have in there.