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Originally Posted by juggernaut
Sir Moby please explain to me the great things Clinton did other then make people feel as though they were talking to a movie star. Did he create the internet like his buddy said? My opinion is not that we needed a war. It's that talks were going on for 10 years and nothing came from them. No other country was willing to put a stop to him dropping people in meat grinders because they were benefiting from trade with Iraq. You keep saying talk talk talk. Well you know there are some people in this world who love it when governments just talk. There’s an old saying. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder then words. When you talk to someone for ten years about fixing an issue and all they do is toss you the finger, then what? Talk more? Tommy said this war was not Bushes fault and he is correct. It's not his dad's either. Ever hear of the Iran contra affair? That's where all this shit started. In fact it goes back more; it goes back to the late-70's when another democrat was in office. And that democrat claims he was attacked by a rabbit while on a boat and also saw UFO’s. His thought’s were, hey let's help the Afghanis against Russia and give them some weapons, lets not worry if any other countries like IRAN will get pissed and maybe take some Americans hostage for 444 days. I don’t blame him for trying; hell the Russians were trying to topple a democratic government. But he should have known better, the country has been in and out of civil wars since 600ad. Then once again a republican gets in office and people shit their pants. Knowing republicans have traditionally used the military without hesitation. I agree with Tommy 100% the Bushes did not start this problem. It’s crazy to say he did when you are dealing with countries that have been warring since the dawn of time over sand.
Ok I love argueing with you guys but I'm on my way home. Post back later. lol
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I noticed that you didn't mention one good thing that Dubya has done
Clinton
- Created 26 Million jobs - Dubya brags about less then 15% to 20% of that and most of those are in the low paying service industry
- Decreased the number in poverty more then any other - Dubya has increased it
- Cut the size of government by almost 200,000 people - Dubya has increased the size of government more then any other (yet he still calls the dems the party of big government)
- Clinton cut the deficit more then any other - Dubya has increased it more then any other (yet the dems are called the party of big spending)
- Gave tax cuts to over 15,000,000 of the America's poorest workers (yet the dems are still called the party of tax & spend)
- Created the family and medical leave act so that parents could actually spend a few weeks with newborns
- Produced the lowest crime rate in 40 years
- Hire 100,000 police officers
- Cut gun access to violent criminals while adding a bunch of rifles to the protected list for hunters
There's no point in getting angry. We may disagree on if Iraq was still a threat or not. So far no evidence has been shown since the invasion that they were a threat to the USA in any way. Even the administration (after the election) admitted that Sadaam did not have communications with any known terrorist groups and that no weapons of mass destruction were found. These are facts stated by the administration themselves.
If you can point to some evidence then please do. If you can't, why get angry?
I know we can talk about Sadaam using the gas that we sold him but we gave it to him to use against Iran. It's shelf life had expired.
We can also bring up the old stories of the mass graves. No inspection of those graves has occurred. They've been sealed for years now. They were not brought up during Sadaam's war trial as evidence. I think if they were real that inspectors would have seen them and they would be part of the trial. Don't you?
I have a lot of respect you. We simply disagree on whether Sadaam was still a threat or not.
You asked me Clinton did and I listed it for you. You ignored my question about Dubya and I've noticed that most of his supporters do the same thing. Why is that?