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Bill · 2007-05-16, 09:06 PM

halfdeck said---Bill, it really doesn't matter what penalties are involved. If you're penalized, whether its the -30 penalty, the -111 penalty, or the 950 penalty, you're likely not going to get off the hook by just de-optimizing a site.
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Well, I could easily be wrong, but I don't think this is a "penalty" - I think it's just what the algo is supposed to do.

A penalty implies that a domain or page has been tagged as trouble. I tend to think that is still fairly rare.

I'm one of those people who thinks it's as big as a risk as a potential benefit to file reinclusions on most adult sites - because as we've been saying, adult sites are inherently close to googles current definition of spam.

As soon as you file reinclusion, google people are going to apply their investigative tools to the page. No adult site is going to get a great score under those tools.

It needs to be tested. Some folks should file reinclusions and see what happens. Some folks should make changes without reinclusions and see what happens.

I note that cutts didn't specifically say "penalty". Google has said many times that it wants the algo to do the work, and in the past known penalties have been very clear cut. I note that TGPs haven't been as badly affected by this (which I attribute to the greater number of oneway incomings, from all the abandoned galleries, something the algo would easily detect). One would expect they would be if there was a penalty.

So, I'm not convinced the concept of penalty applies. Only testing can tell.

Anybody done any reinclusions recently?

2007-05-16, 09:06 PM	#45
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	halfdeck said---Bill, it really doesn't matter what penalties are involved. If you're penalized, whether its the -30 penalty, the -111 penalty, or the 950 penalty, you're likely not going to get off the hook by just de-optimizing a site. --- Well, I could easily be wrong, but I don't think this is a "penalty" - I think it's just what the algo is supposed to do. A penalty implies that a domain or page has been tagged as trouble. I tend to think that is still fairly rare. I'm one of those people who thinks it's as big as a risk as a potential benefit to file reinclusions on most adult sites - because as we've been saying, adult sites are inherently close to googles current definition of spam. As soon as you file reinclusion, google people are going to apply their investigative tools to the page. No adult site is going to get a great score under those tools. It needs to be tested. Some folks should file reinclusions and see what happens. Some folks should make changes without reinclusions and see what happens. I note that cutts didn't specifically say "penalty". Google has said many times that it wants the algo to do the work, and in the past known penalties have been very clear cut. I note that TGPs haven't been as badly affected by this (which I attribute to the greater number of oneway incomings, from all the abandoned galleries, something the algo would easily detect). One would expect they would be if there was a penalty. So, I'm not convinced the concept of penalty applies. Only testing can tell. Anybody done any reinclusions recently?