[Dravyk]

Alright, gents, I wanted feedback and I got it. Sadly, it's the kind I expected to hear. So now, another point of view. I heard you, I hope you listen and consider what I'm saying as well.

If someone is going to do something nasty, they're pretty much going to make it look all innocent to start out with right? I mean they can put an Asian banner up, get listed and change it to CP or beastiality banner easily afterwards. What's it take, 30 seconds?

Whereas someone with a rotating sponsor banner is pretty much upfront letting you know it's what it is. Make sense? Sway you at all? More importantly would you still turn that down?

Way I see it, it's 2003, people. We have technology here like advanced banner tracking (and again, nothing brand new there) and things that can make webmasters eek out better ROI, better sales, see what sponsor works better, see what banner from a single sponsor works better. Hell, the adult industry is always at the forefront of net technology, as we all know.

And yet, the more advanced we get, the more it seems that webmasters are discouraged (by other webmasters no less!) to utilize these same analysis tools. Times are getting tougher; we all need to eek out every dime and use every edge we can!!! There will always be cheaters; there will also be people who will pull stuff. Doesn't matter if we're using the cutting edge or all forced to make HTML 1.0 spec pages, someone will always find a way around something, some way to cheat, if they've had their heart set to do so to begin with.

To me it's only good business sense to use the tools that are there to legitimately try to increase revenue. That's the very definition of business and I'm a businessperson.

Yes, too some degree I do understand the concerns TGP owners might have, but there comes a point where the majority of honest webmasters are constantly hand-strapped because of the few cheaters. (Hell I had a thread on here a few months about using "content wells" and that saving, logical tool was also frowned upon because there's ways to cheat or steal with that. So because someone might, that idea was also ditched and met with great disappoval. Seems if you think out of the box or use something logical, there's 100 different reasons why that's yet another no-no.)

Again, I know everyone would love to control what they are linking to and what is not on their servers, but hey guys, at what point is this going too damned far??? Wazza, are you ever going to let webmasters get past 1998 web coding? Let's go to your example, if family frolics or whatever going to come back to hurt you if someone did do such a thing? Case law of the past five years says the exact opposite. Content ON one's site will get thatwebmaster in trouble; owners linking to content off server law has always struck down that they are NOT responsible. Why be (other than ethics, which hey, I know are important) so concerned when you have law on your side?

So Wazza, cause MAYBE someone MIGHT cheat and MIGHT put something in 1:100 banners, you'll just reject them? But hey let me put in that static banner and change it up on you (something I would never do) and you're jim dandy happy with it. Ok. You're choice. I just don't know why honest webmasters are constantly slammed cause MAYBE they might cheat. Maybe we should lock everybody up people, because MAYBE they'll murder someone someday. Same logic applies. Take a look at the movie "Minority Report" and you'll see what I'm getting at here.

Surfn, you say try a new gallery. Let me demonstrate how silly that is. I want to check, for example, six ebony sponsors against each other, and I also want to see which of four banners from each works the best. So I have to make (6x4) 24 galleries in order to figure that out because rotators can be used for evil purposes??? Yeah you can kill a man with a drinking straw too.

Fine, let me pretend I submit to the Hun or someone and get one gallery every three days. Gee, instead of using a rotator and seeing in a matter of 48 hours the data, instead (24x3) let me instead take three months to do the very same thing. Hmm, three months or two days? What's the most logical? What is the least time consuming? What is the most productive? Doing it the other is just stupid business and bad business; in fact, it's anti-business. Let alone how a sponsors conversion rate would change in those same three months and thus totally invalidate the results anyhow!

Like I said, it's as easy to cheat with a static page as a rotator AND the law precedent favors the TGP owner. So what is the deal??? I do wish those scared of cheaters and scums would instead encourage, rather than hamper, the bulk of honest webmasters to make more money and to run things like a business. I hope I've swayed some opinions, but I'd be surprised if I have. No doubt I'll be flamed. Fine, I can handle it.

Seems the cheaters rule the net, and the over policing doesn't stop it, instead it just stops the good guys; and since the cheaters will always find a way to cheat, I think the good-intentioned over-regulating folks end up actually inadvertantly helping the bad guys, while punishing the good ones. Have any of you considered that is the way things are going? That you're hurting webmaster wallets for the sake of attempted prevention of people doing something that "you don't like"? Isn't that too much like throwing out the baby with the bath water?

But hey I'm an honest businessman and all I want is to continue to be both, honest and to do intelligent business -- and to in an hoenst way make as much money as I can using the best tools out there to do so. I know this sounds crazy, but I think we should all be allowed that. I think we should even be encouraged to do that. I even have the nerve to think that's what we're all supposed to be doing here! So please, let us do it and chill out on the heavy handed rules up the wahzoo, huh?