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Old 2004-08-13, 10:27 AM   #18
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I've read every post in this thread and one thing really stands out. Many of you are too busy insulting each other to really argue your point. Yes, I realize that Torn started this thread with 'little piss ant', and while I'm not defending that, I at least understand his response to the situation as he percieved it to be. He, as the producer is going to have the last word pertaining to how his content is used. Just because his terms of use did not address the use of his content on skimming TGPs does not mean he's unjustified now. There are always going to be unforeseen circumstances and that's why TOU are always evolving. He did not know that the current trend in TGPs is traffic skimming. That does not make him an idiot. Uninformed perhaps, but not an idiot.

I wonder how many of you know every single aspect of the complete realm of the adult industry. If Torn informed you that for every new signup at his paysite, a puppy has to die, you'd be shocked, wouldn't you? (Yes, a ridiculous example, but stay with me here) Well, for him, it was somewhat shocking to find out that a great many TGPs now handle traffic in what has historically been considered a cheating manner. This new model sends the surfer to a location not promised by the link they clicked. That's not horribly honest, is it? Just because there happens to be hundreds, perhaps thousands, of TGPs doing this, does not convert dishonesty into honesty. I too use a trade script on two TGPs. One skims with 90% going the gallery, 10% to trades. The other only uses the script to monitor traffic and build a toplist. No skimming. So yes, I too skim on one of my sites. But I am not about to defend the practice or paint it as a wonderful business model.

In the end, I doubt Torn is worried about losing an affiliate who serves his sites from a free host or one who skims so heavily that the surfer is never going to see the sponsor gallery anyway. The only thing that will result from this thread is a lot of sore feelings. If part of your argument is an insulting attack on the other party, then it is not an argument at all, it is a battle.

We adult webmasters have many more worries of greater import looming on the not-so-distant horizon. Shall we focus on them, or continue this pissing match?
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