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Originally posted by Tommy
If torn doesnt know how tgps work then he shouldnt be offering hosted gallerys.
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Tommy, this is a solid point, and I personally agree with it 100%.
In my personal opinion, Torn made a bonehead move getting pissed about the skim. I'd bet money Torn is kicking himself right now, altho he may not yet fully understand the skim, and like a lot of people, he may still think it's just CJ under another name, which arguably it is, despite the fact that everyone does it, and you can't have modern TGPs without it.
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This I would like anwsered ......suppose I had a thumb tgp that took submits and that tgp skimed, ... follow me so far ?...... someone premoting torns program submits a gallery with his content that he gave out to his partners, Now I guess Torn is gonna start sending Dmca notices to MY host ????????
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DMCA attacks threaten everybody. It's a dangerous weapon.
We can't know the answer to this. The frightening thing is that Torn may have the legal right to do just what you you give as an example. But so does every other copyright holder in existence. This is the danger of DMCA.
Hosts need to step up and tell us how they are going to protect us from DMCA attacks, because this is not the last time we are going to hear about this.
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If you look at Torns actions it makes all of his content unlinkable
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Abso-fucking-lutely! Untill Torn clarifies his policy in public and in writing you would have to be an idiot to put his content on a gallery or a TGP. (Except maybe for the 5 or 10 TGPs like Richards that don't skim.)
You and I might think it's crazy for him to say "you can't use my content for skimming TGPs.". But it's his content, his decision, and he has to make it. If he decides for no skim, we might think it's dumb, but the only thing we have to say about it at that point is "yes, I'll follow your terms...". or "no, I won't promote your ridiculous program".
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the toolbar is really irrelevant,
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And on this point I DISAGREE 100%. The toolbar was the first criminal act that started the whole thing. AND the toolbar was the real cause of Kloot's getting shut down.
Remember, the advancedhosting guy came here and said, "We didn't delete his site...".
We can't know yet what a real host would do faced with this same situation, because kloot was hosted by a theif.
(hopefully these quotes work the way I want them too.)