Ask Jolene, Viruses, Trojans, And Malware!

[Geezer]

I signed up with Askjolene's topspots and deposited $100. I began a few campaigns and decided their traffic was crap even though I was using galleries and sponsors I know do well. I decided to set up a page and feed toplists in the hope of getting some better traffic back from the toplists.

I got all the toplists in place and made 10 galleries all linking to my "toplist" page. The galleries were submitted to Askjolene and approved.

I also set up a blog with them and was getting traffic from there as well.
My blog gets closed because their "top gallery reviewer" says I have pop-hell and visures on my page. I explain that the only pop-up I have is to a toplist and it's only one so hardly pop-up hell. I also let them know I take offense at being accused of having shit on my page that could be harmful.

As a compromise I remove the pop-up and my blog is "opened" again.
When I check my topspots I notice my campaign has been stopped by Askjolene. I mail them and ask why, I am told because my page is serving viruses, trojans and malware. Again I tell this joker how annoyed I am that he is accusing me of doing this and explain that I have NOTHING on MY page that could be harmful. I also told him that I cannot be held responsible for what other people have on their pages. I checked with some of the toplists and did get some pop-ups but nothing malicious.

Oh and now my domain is blacklisted as well.

I said that as they are accusing me of this shit, which is basically libel, and the fact they have stopped my campaign I would like a full refund. I was told this is not possible as the traffic has been sent. They would only refund me the $29 I had left in my account. So the galleries they approved and were sending traffic to are now stopped. If there was a problem then the galleries should not have been approved and no traffic sent.

I ask to speak to someone higher up but I am told by Troine that he has carte blanche to deal with this.

I ask him to show me a screen cap of all the shit he gets from my page and I asked him the names of the torjans and viruses he got from my page.
I had no reply with this proof because my page does NOT serve any shit.

If this plank truly believes I am this dishonest fucker who infects peoples computers with all this shit why does he say:

"I recommend you to add new galleries from a clean host"

I asked him again to show me some proof of all this malicious shit that I am doing:

"I would still like to see a screen cap from MY page where you get shit and I
would still like to know how you can think I am responsible for toplists
that I link to?, even though I still see nothing harmful on their sites
either. Maybe I should contact them as well and let them know you are
accusing them as well.

Can you show me all these pop-ups my thumbs link to, surely you do NOT mean
when they open a toplist in a new window?

Again, please show me proof, please name the viruses and trojans you have
from MY page"

Still no response with any proof, because, yep, there ain't any.

I was then told:

"I really regret this situation and I feel really sorry for it but
your non cooperation attitude combined with serving malicious links
and pages let us no other choice then:

Refund your money (done)
Removed your account (done)
Blacklisted your webserver (done)"

He also said my thumbs were linked to pop-ups, I tried to explain they are TARGET tags to open a new window but I don't think he understood that.

I finally send him the source code of my page and asked him to show me the malicious code that is causing him all these problems.

Guess what?, he never replied.

So before signing up with Askjolene beware, they have this joker who is supposed to be their top gallery reviewer and yet he doesn't seem to know anything about galleries, scripts or anything else.

OK, so I will post this page with all these viruses, trojans and other shit on, of course there isn't any, and maybe someone can show me all this malicious shit I am serving.

Before you ask, there are two bits of javascript on the page, one is a counter/tracker and the other is just a window status script.

Now even if a toplist DID link to a page with shit on, is that down to me?, of course not.

Anyway this is the page in question: http://www.xxxtgpgals.com/big-tits/bigtits.html

Maybe someone from Askjolene can come in and explain where all this shit I am accused of is. Maybe Toine can come and explain, if he can work out how to use a forum that is.

[emmanuelle]

I am not the least bit familliar with Dreamhost, but is it possible that they redirect your error traffic to a place that may be unfriendly?

[DJilla]

You're joking right? Let me see if I get it... your upset at limiting your losses to only about $70 and a little work? Hmmm..

How ya doing? (that little wavy hand thing)

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by DJilla

You're joking right? Let me see if I get it... your upset at limiting your losses to only about $70 and a little work? Hmmm..

How ya doing? (that little wavy hand thing)

Obviously you don't get it.

I am not bothered about a poxy $100 I am bothered about being accused of serving all this shit.

Where I live $100 isn't enough for a crap night out.

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

I am not the least bit familliar with Dreamhost, but is it possible that they redirect your error traffic to a place that may be unfriendly?

I redirect my error traffic not my host.

There is nothing wrong on my if sites I link to link to a page with shit on is that down to me?, no

[Useless]

Are you saying that some of the sites on our toplists may be the culprits? If that's so, then yes - you are responsible for whom you link to. Admittedly, I may still be confused by what you're saying.

[Viper]

Originally Posted by Geezer

if sites I link to link to a page with shit on is that down to me?, no

Yes, if you link to sites with viruses/malware etc. - Most large quality TGPs, Links Lists etc. will not accept your galleries and/or will ban you for linking to sites that will infect "their" surfers computers.

Some of those sites use Geo-ip and/or language settings to deliver that stuff. So you may not ever see it, but someone from a different country etc. will.

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Are you saying that some of the sites on our toplists may be the culprits? If that's so, then yes - you are responsible for whom you link to. Admittedly, I may still be confused by what you're saying.

So I should check all the links on a toplist?, I sign up to get listed, what they do on their sites is not down to me.

So I link to a site that links to a site that links to a page with shit on, am I responsible for that?, no.

I set up the "toplist" page to try and make use of jolenes crap traffic, are you seriously saying I should follow every link and allow every pop-up before deciding to sign up with a toplist?

You been to many toplists/sites?, the majority have some sort of pop-up/under on them.

My totally clean gallery had links to a totally clean page of mine, if some of the sites I link to have pop-ups what has that got to do with me?

So, I have a clean gallery, the surfer hits it, clean, they then click a link on my gallery to another clean site, that's two clicks already. Now one of the links on the 2nd clicked page goes to another page/site, making three clicks, and that has a pop-up, how the fuck am I responsible?. Maybe Askjolene have appointed themselves the internet police to protect all those poor little porn surfers.

So how about I have links on my gallery to a sponsor who has exit consoles that then pops multi consoles, should I be blacklisted?, am I responsible?

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by Viper

Yes, if you link to sites with viruses/malware etc. - Most large quality TGPs, Links Lists etc. will not accept your galleries and/or will ban you for linking to sites that will infect "their" surfers computers.

Some of those sites use Geo-ip and/or language settings to deliver that stuff. So you may not ever see it, but someone from a different country etc. will.

My galleries do not have links to sites with anything on, my galleries link to my "toplists" page (which I have posted, and as you can see is clean). From there I have links to toplists, are you honestly saying it's down to me what they link to on their pages?

[emmanuelle]

Jeepers

You seem really hostile dude. You come here looking to vent, and maybe to get some help, then you jump all over those who respond to you.

That's probably not gonna work for you, at least not around here

[Viper]

Originally Posted by Geezer

My galleries do not have links to sites with anything on, my galleries link to my "toplists" page (which I have posted, and as you can see is clean). From there I have links to toplists, are you honestly saying it's down to me what they link to on their pages?

Is this the gallery?
http://www.xxxtgpgals.com/big-tits/bigtits.html
Are all those toplist links your own sites or someone elses?

Bottom line, AskJolene can do what they want, it's their traffic. Just like CCBill can shut down pay sites that link to sites that link to sites that link to illegal sites... Not fair.. Hard to blieve that you could be thought of as "responsible" for what someone else does.... But that's the way it is.

[nekrom]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Jeepers

You seem really hostile dude. You come here looking to vent, and maybe to get some help, then you jump all over those who respond to you.

That's probably not gonna work for you, at least not around here

I'm under the impression that Geezer is just trying to get accross his point, as per what he typed out in thread 1. I've seen his posts before and he's always to the point, doesn't like to sugar coat things, much like UW. If you're being a twat, he'll say so, per say.

My understanding is that if the galleries are clean, link to a clean page which in turn links to a selection of toplists. How deep "linking" wise do we as the original page owner have to police?

For example lets say we have a hub, listing Sponsor hosted Free sites. We add those to our clean hub. Using the jolene and others linking theory, we would have to check every single FS's links, the sponsor it links too. What sites they have on their exit console (if used), what sites they link to, what sites they link to, and so on and so fourth.

Pretty confusing once you start to get into it.

2cents
-N

[Useless]

Originally Posted by nekrom

My understanding is that if the galleries are clean, link to a clean page which in turn links to a selection of toplists. How deep "linking" wise do we as the original page owner have to police?

Ah, ok. I get it now. I just needed it explained a bit more clearly. Ya know, with a bit more punctuation added.

One shouldn't be held responsible for anyone further than whom they link to directly. It's nuts to think you could or would reasonably go beyond that point.

BTW, if I had my choice, I prefer to be called cunt rather than twat. Twat sounds so sloppy to me.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Geezer

Obviously you don't get it.

I am not bothered about a poxy $100 I am bothered about being accused of serving all this shit.

Where I live $100 isn't enough for a crap night out.

Sorry mate, being sarcastic once again. I think you don't get it. The vendor you speak about has been around for a long time. I've never done biz with them but I'm not aware of a bad rep. They are in the biz of selling traffic so it isn't in their interests to loose customers over a few dollars.

Sounds like your just a little new to this and got into a personality conflict with someone and they said "screw it". There's a lot of easy ways to get caught up with other bullshit your linking partners are doing or even a sponsor if you don't double check those codes. If their "head reviewer" said he had a problem... he probably did.

I'm just saying it seems like a lot of passion to waste over a small thing. I notice that AJ didn't come on a public forum and flame you about your alleged bad practices.

Good Luck

[RawAlex]

Geezer, judging by the manner that you have worked in this thread, I don't doubt for a second that the Ask Jolene people just said "enough, here is the rest of your money, please go away".

let's deal with the facts of your page(s)

Landing page has a third party counter on it. Could they have had issues?

Each of your top list pages has images pulled from other domains / servers. Considering that there have been hacks and cracks for images that apply to IE, is there not potential that any one of those images might be triggering alarms?

Could any of those links on your page be using a form of GEO tracking and redirection that sends certain people to more agressive or potentially illegal pages? I mean any link... there are 35 links off that single page, plus the counter.

Each one of those toplists each serving a popup yadda yadda... one click away from hundreds if not thousands of potential infections and abuses.

I am surprised (no shocked) that any traffic seller would even send traffic to this cluster you have setup. It is sending surfers to be slaughtered by popups, blind links, misdirection, and potentially malware or worse.

To assume because YOU don't see something wrong that everything is right isn't a very good way to get things done.

Alex

[dirtyjumbo]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

You seem really hostile dude.

That's probably not gonna work for you, at least not around here

He doesn't know any better

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by DJilla

Sounds like your just a little new to this and got into a personality conflict with someone and they said "screw it". |

Yeah I'm new to this, being accused of serving shit that is, if you mean new to adult webmastering then no I'm not.

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Jeepers

You seem really hostile dude. You come here looking to vent, and maybe to get some help, then you jump all over those who respond to you.

That's probably not gonna work for you, at least not around here

Please show me where I have been hostile. I didn't post here for any help I just posted to make a point about being accused of something with no proof.

Do people really think that Askjolene are being reasonable with their accusations and blacklisting?

Do people really think that we are all responsible for links 2, 3 or pages deep in our sites, if so we are all going to have to do lot of work checking every link on our sites.

So you link to a site that links to a site that links to a site that has a pop-up that links to a site that has spyware, cos according to Askjolene that wouls be your fault.

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Each of your top list pages has images pulled from other domains / servers.

I only have one toplist page and that is the one I linked to. What images on that page are "pulled from other domains / servers"?

So should I not take offence at being accused of serving all this shit?

OK, I ask you the same as I asked Troine, can you please show me a screen cap of the pop-ups you get from MY page, can you name the viruses, the spyware and anything else you get from MY page. Maybe you can show a snippet of malicious code that is on MY page?

So I take it then that none of us should ever use toplists, I mean never sign up to them. Why are there so many around if no one signs up and sends them traffic?

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Geezer

Obviously you don't get it.

I am not bothered about a poxy $100 I am bothered about being accused of serving all this shit.

Where I live $100 isn't enough for a crap night out.

Why not take the prob right to Pierre at Worldsex??

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Why not take the prob right to Pierre at Worldsex??

Pierre has said his bit about this