Are Youtube/Pornotube bad news?

sonohocoder · 2006-08-08, 11:06 AM

Do you think sites like Youtube (or more particularly, Pornotube) are bad news? I’ve had a couple of webmasters wringing their hands saying that they’re potentially harmful to what they’ve been trying to do for years (err, make money), which I think, IS understandable if you visualise a huge server being populated by visitors uploading “bought” content, but I keep looking at these kinds of webscripts, and seeing the flip-side, which is that they are a very effective and addictive way of getting a visitor to pop the play button a number of times in quick succession, and maybe…getting a signup for more instant vids. I guess all it would need is a few lines of code to count the views, then load the payment prompt, and write the billing user/password data to .htaccess. That wouldn’t take long at all.

The key difference with this I guess, is that the site would be a fixed portfolio of content, and not user-generated.

I’ve got a few ideas about additions to the user-generated kind of site, but I think in terms of a traditional site (structured/themed around licensed content), it would be a neat way of bringing the “tour” mechanic up-to-date?

DangerDave · 2006-08-08, 06:07 PM

This idiot is just a spammer doing shrill posts before he drops his video script spam on the board..!

http://premium.boardtracker.com/sear...at=19&filter=1

DD

Jim · 2006-08-08, 09:01 PM

Is he really? I was going to mention it on the Radio Show tonight because I saw what NBC did with Youtube. They at first fought it but now, send them videos.

Toby · 2006-08-08, 10:52 PM

I've been thinking about this since I initially found out that AEBN was behind pornotube. Like it or not, it's here. The surfer contribution end is a huge copyright infringement nightmare. I don't really like the idea for that reason. Ethically, I don't really like the idea for that reason. Using someone elses, often copyrighted, content to build huge traffic.

Trying to fight it via the courts would be like pouring sand in rat hole. I think NBC et. al. came to the same conclusion and decided to join them rather than fight. Put up a better quality of content yourself so there is no reason for surfers to upload their crap.

sonohocoder · 2006-08-09, 08:26 AM

nope, it's a genuine question - it helps me a lot to understand the requirements of webmasters, otherwise I will be off coding neat apps, and not thinking about how people can use stuff.

I've really been picking up on some concerns from webmasters about seeing their content being "shared", so wanted to ask if that was just a few people's concerns, or is it more general?

Actually, there is something I am kind of considering as a neat solution to that entire issue, which is why I'm seeking some comments on the subject....maybe I'm being naiive, but do you think there's a way to capitalise on this trend? Just as when you can see a niche emerging, everyone piles in and creates reality and other services? So this way, webmasters could create a Youtube-like experience, and hook signups from a popular/familiar delivery style?

Admittedly, this doesn't face up to the erosion from UGC or file-sharing, but it repackages excellent sites and content in a fresh way, and perhaps stems the flow a little?

Of course, we should keep in mind the fact that some kids will always want to just cause a problem and bend the rules with sharing etc, but there is a body of buyers that will always want to buy great content that's packaged well, and delivered in a contemporary manner.

Yes, I have a webscript, no I'm not a spammer. I have a genuine interest in figuring how to work with a new standard that Youtube etc are putting down

Jim · 2006-08-09, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

I've been thinking about this since I initially found out that AEBN was behind pornotube. Like it or not, it's here. The surfer contribution end is a huge copyright infringement nightmare. I don't really like the idea for that reason. Ethically, I don't really like the idea for that reason. Using someone elses, often copyrighted, content to build huge traffic.

Trying to fight it via the courts would be like pouring sand in rat hole. I think NBC et. al. came to the same conclusion and decided to join them rather than fight. Put up a better quality of content yourself so there is no reason for surfers to upload their crap.

That's exactly what they did. They had a skit on Saturday Night Live that was posted. It pissed them off until they saw that that video was viewed by more people than when it was on the show. So now, they do send high quality videos with a little branding and product placement.

GonZo · 2006-08-09, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

That's exactly what they did. They had a skit on Saturday Night Live that was posted. It pissed them off until they saw that that video was viewed by more people than when it was on the show. So now, they do send high quality videos with a little branding and product placement.

Dont let anyone tell you that youve missed a step in this biz Jim.
Thats the most concise explination of how to make it work for you that Ive seen yet!

2006-08-08, 11:06 AM	#1
sonohocoder Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5	Are Youtube/Pornotube bad news? Do you think sites like Youtube (or more particularly, Pornotube) are bad news? I’ve had a couple of webmasters wringing their hands saying that they’re potentially harmful to what they’ve been trying to do for years (err, make money), which I think, IS understandable if you visualise a huge server being populated by visitors uploading “bought” content, but I keep looking at these kinds of webscripts, and seeing the flip-side, which is that they are a very effective and addictive way of getting a visitor to pop the play button a number of times in quick succession, and maybe…getting a signup for more instant vids. I guess all it would need is a few lines of code to count the views, then load the payment prompt, and write the billing user/password data to .htaccess. That wouldn’t take long at all. The key difference with this I guess, is that the site would be a fixed portfolio of content, and not user-generated. I’ve got a few ideas about additions to the user-generated kind of site, but I think in terms of a traditional site (structured/themed around licensed content), it would be a neat way of bringing the “tour” mechanic up-to-date?

2006-08-08, 10:52 PM	#4
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	I've been thinking about this since I initially found out that AEBN was behind pornotube. Like it or not, it's here. The surfer contribution end is a huge copyright infringement nightmare. I don't really like the idea for that reason. Ethically, I don't really like the idea for that reason. Using someone elses, often copyrighted, content to build huge traffic. Trying to fight it via the courts would be like pouring sand in rat hole. I think NBC et. al. came to the same conclusion and decided to join them rather than fight. Put up a better quality of content yourself so there is no reason for surfers to upload their crap. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2006-08-08, 06:07 PM	#2
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	This idiot is just a spammer doing shrill posts before he drops his video script spam on the board..! http://premium.boardtracker.com/sear...at=19&filter=1 DD

2006-08-08, 09:01 PM	#3
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Is he really? I was going to mention it on the Radio Show tonight because I saw what NBC did with Youtube. They at first fought it but now, send them videos.

2006-08-09, 08:26 AM	#5
sonohocoder Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5	nope, it's a genuine question - it helps me a lot to understand the requirements of webmasters, otherwise I will be off coding neat apps, and not thinking about how people can use stuff. I've really been picking up on some concerns from webmasters about seeing their content being "shared", so wanted to ask if that was just a few people's concerns, or is it more general? Actually, there is something I am kind of considering as a neat solution to that entire issue, which is why I'm seeking some comments on the subject....maybe I'm being naiive, but do you think there's a way to capitalise on this trend? Just as when you can see a niche emerging, everyone piles in and creates reality and other services? So this way, webmasters could create a Youtube-like experience, and hook signups from a popular/familiar delivery style? Admittedly, this doesn't face up to the erosion from UGC or file-sharing, but it repackages excellent sites and content in a fresh way, and perhaps stems the flow a little? Of course, we should keep in mind the fact that some kids will always want to just cause a problem and bend the rules with sharing etc, but there is a body of buyers that will always want to buy great content that's packaged well, and delivered in a contemporary manner. Yes, I have a webscript, no I'm not a spammer. I have a genuine interest in figuring how to work with a new standard that Youtube etc are putting down