Will Your Link List Require 2257 Info?

ArtWilliams · 2005-06-04, 09:09 AM

Got this yesterday ...

"Dear Webmasters,

Begining June 21st 2005, we are going to require you have a "2257" statement on all galleries or links submitted.

With the pending changes to 2257, we must enact we want to be in compliance, as you should too.

However, any links or galleries submitted before June 21 2005 will not be required to have them.

We are sorry for any trouble this causes you, we are all in a uproar over this new law.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us.

Best regards, "

Have you decided to be the policeman too? Discuss.

-- art

Useless · 2005-06-04, 09:50 AM

I haven't decided on whether I want to just say 'no' or write a long post about how ludicrous it is for a link list or TGP to demand a 2257 statement on YOUR pages eventhough the regulation cleary does not demand a statement on minor sub-directories or individual pages within. So, I'll have to get back to you on this.

amadman · 2005-06-04, 09:53 AM

So far I have no plans too.

Toby · 2005-06-04, 10:01 AM

Someone doesn't understand the regs, or is just trying to "look" like they're trying to comply. Since it's a LL, they really have no compliance obligations regarding 2257 links on submissions. The effective date on the regs includes all content produced after July 3, 1995. Only requiring submissions after June 21st to have 2257 statements isn't really doing much in terms of "compliance", they'll still have a whole site full of galleries and links that have no 2257 statement.

To answer your question, no I will not be a policeman. My TGP's will NOT require 2257 statements on gallery submissions. It's your responsibility to have one on the homepage of the domain you're using for your galleries.

amber438 · 2005-06-04, 10:31 AM

I have to agree with the rest here
I am not a policeman and the regs do not apply to links.
I will have 2257 for my own stuff under my domains for any photos used as banners or logos on those sites, as well as my own free sites and galleries.

MadMax · 2005-06-04, 10:39 AM

I have enough trouble keeping my own shit in order, and I'm not about to start policing other peoples' pages. Certainly, I recommend that everyone effected by 2257 be in compliance. However, my review process will not change. I already decline and/or blacklist anyone promoting "young" anything, since I don't want it listed. I look at source code and check out meta-tags if my gut tells me someone is trying to promote pseudo CP.

In the end, however, your compliance is your business...not mine.

RawAlex · 2005-06-04, 10:45 AM

art, spit it out... who sent you that?

Alex

Qon · 2005-06-04, 10:58 AM

i aint requirin shit

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Jel · 2005-06-04, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

I have enough trouble keeping my own shit in order, and I'm not about to start policing other peoples' pages. Certainly, I recommend that everyone effected by 2257 be in compliance. However, my review process will not change. I already decline and/or blacklist anyone promoting "young" anything, since I don't want it listed. I look at source code and check out meta-tags if my gut tells me someone is trying to promote pseudo CP.

In the end, however, your compliance is your business...not mine.

Exactly.

Useless · 2005-06-04, 02:52 PM

I may start to require naked pics of the submitters' wives/girlfriends/or most attractive female cousin. A blood sample would be good too.

Come on Art, answer Alex's question. Who sent you that email?

I stumbled on the rules of one link list today who has posted the need for a 2257 statement in his/her rules. He/she is otherwise a very sensible and likeable webmaster. I understand why people are doing this, but it simply isn't necessary.

Jel · 2005-06-04, 03:43 PM

I saw one the other day but can't remember who it was. As all my freesites have that info anyway, it wasn't something I took a whole lot of notice of. My TGPs on the other hand, I need to get to work on.

stuveltje · 2005-06-04, 04:04 PM

like i have always put on my linksites:
We are not responsible for the sites content in which we link . We Do Not host these sites if any sites are found in violation of any laws please contact the site providers email found on the site. The owners and creators of this site are not held liable for any violations from sites in which we link at the present time,

i still think the same, have had some discusions with others about my thinking about this in the past, but its not my duty to check the legal thing with pics and all on those sites, if by my rules i accept.....

The last year i made my free sites and tgp all have the 2257 link on it, i am realy not worried about the new 2257, also not for my old sites, i have enough bought content to switch content on the sites wher it is needed

ArtWilliams · 2005-06-04, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I may start to require naked pics of the submitters' wives/girlfriends/or most attractive female cousin. A blood sample would be good too.

Come on Art, answer Alex's question. Who sent you that email?

I stumbled on the rules of one link list today who has posted the need for a 2257 statement in his/her rules. He/she is otherwise a very sensible and likeable webmaster. I understand why people are doing this, but it simply isn't necessary.

Dabro from search-4-porn.com is the winner!

Linkster · 2005-06-04, 04:13 PM

Totally agree - there is no requirement for you to police this BS - no changes here - HOWEVER - I do know of at least one TGP thumb software package that has that built in for submits - and most WMs just leave it set to the default of on - so I guess for some TGP WMs they are doing that without realizing it - BTW its Comus thumbs that has that built in

mikeyddddd · 2005-06-04, 10:38 PM

I guess it all depends on how "known major entry points, or principal URL" is defined.

"(d) A computer site or service or Web address containing a
digitally- or computer-manipulated image, digital image, or picture,
shall contain the required statement on its homepage, any known major
entry points, or principal URL (including the principal URL of a
subdomain)"

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...5/05-10107.htm

Useless · 2005-06-04, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artwilliams

Dabro from search-4-porn.com is the winner!

That's not the one that I found today. I'm sure there are plenty more we will see in the next couple of weeks.

Useless · 2005-06-04, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

I guess it all depends on how "known major entry points, or principal URL" is defined.

Well, a free site certainly isn't a principal URL and 'known major entry point' is indisputably vague and up for speculation. I wouldn't consider a free site to be a major entry point by any means, but some douchebag somewhere with little understanding of how things work will think so.

spookyx · 2005-06-04, 11:09 PM

I won't require them on any of my link lists or tgp's

tickler · 2005-06-04, 11:34 PM

If the want a link on the gallery/FS page, those scripts that count links better allow for an extra one.

Personally I put the link as a text link(hacked), that can be copy/pasted real easy if you're not a complete computer moron. The link off the root is clickable though.

bobbiekey · 2005-06-05, 03:00 PM

Just out of curiosity. How many LL and TGP Owners are going to list only softcore if the law stays as it is?

Fido · 2005-06-05, 03:21 PM

I am going even farther. Begining June 21st 2005, I am going to require you have a "2257" statement and your certificate of vaccination on all galleries or links submitted.

Useless · 2005-06-05, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbiekey

Just out of curiosity. How many LL and TGP Owners are going to list only softcore if the law stays as it is?

Why would we list only softcore? We can list whatever legal pages we want to link to. The law is not making hardcore content illegal. It's just making it more of a pain in the ass to build with for Americans.

Toby · 2005-06-05, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fido

I am going even farther. Begining June 21st 2005, I am going to require you have a "2257" statement and your certificate of vaccination on all galleries or links submitted.

Note to self: Call and make an appointment to get my shots.

lassiter · 2005-06-05, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

I guess it all depends on how "known major entry points, or principal URL" is defined.

"(d) A computer site or service or Web address containing a
digitally- or computer-manipulated image, digital image, or picture,
shall contain the required statement on its homepage, any known major
entry points, or principal URL (including the principal URL of a
subdomain)"

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...5/05-10107.htm

They mean on any known entry points on *your* domains. Even DoJ isn't so dumb that they would expect you to ascertain which total strangers may have decided to link to your pages. Otherwise, all DoJ would have to do to bust you is put up a dummy link list, add all the free sites of webmasters they want to bust, and then go to it.

lassiter · 2005-06-05, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Why would we list only softcore? We can list whatever legal pages we want to link to. The law is not making hardcore content illegal. It's just making it more of a pain in the ass to build with for Americans.

Exactly - only *images* are covered, not text links. The only list owners affected will be thumb TGPs (though explicit sponsor ads/banners that you host will also require you to have 2257 docs for any model on the banners).

2005-06-04, 09:09 AM	#1
ArtWilliams You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 6,244	Will Your Link List Require 2257 Info? Got this yesterday ... "Dear Webmasters, Begining June 21st 2005, we are going to require you have a "2257" statement on all galleries or links submitted. With the pending changes to 2257, we must enact we want to be in compliance, as you should too. However, any links or galleries submitted before June 21 2005 will not be required to have them. We are sorry for any trouble this causes you, we are all in a uproar over this new law. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us. Best regards, " Have you decided to be the policeman too? Discuss. -- art

2005-06-04, 09:50 AM	#2
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I haven't decided on whether I want to just say 'no' or write a long post about how ludicrous it is for a link list or TGP to demand a 2257 statement on YOUR pages eventhough the regulation cleary does not demand a statement on minor sub-directories or individual pages within. So, I'll have to get back to you on this. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-06-04, 10:01 AM	#4
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	Someone doesn't understand the regs, or is just trying to "look" like they're trying to comply. Since it's a LL, they really have no compliance obligations regarding 2257 links on submissions. The effective date on the regs includes all content produced after July 3, 1995. Only requiring submissions after June 21st to have 2257 statements isn't really doing much in terms of "compliance", they'll still have a whole site full of galleries and links that have no 2257 statement. To answer your question, no I will not be a policeman. My TGP's will NOT require 2257 statements on gallery submissions. It's your responsibility to have one on the homepage of the domain you're using for your galleries. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2005-06-04, 10:31 AM	#5
amber438 Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 820	I have to agree with the rest here I am not a policeman and the regs do not apply to links. I will have 2257 for my own stuff under my domains for any photos used as banners or logos on those sites, as well as my own free sites and galleries. __________________ Red Hot Links Red Hot Galleries

2005-06-04, 10:58 AM	#8
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2005-06-04, 09:53 AM	#3
amadman I've been mad for fucking years, absolutely years, been over the edge for yonks.... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: padded room Posts: 861	So far I have no plans too.

2005-06-04, 10:39 AM	#6
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	I have enough trouble keeping my own shit in order, and I'm not about to start policing other peoples' pages. Certainly, I recommend that everyone effected by 2257 be in compliance. However, my review process will not change. I already decline and/or blacklist anyone promoting "young" anything, since I don't want it listed. I look at source code and check out meta-tags if my gut tells me someone is trying to promote pseudo CP. In the end, however, your compliance is your business...not mine.

2005-06-04, 10:45 AM	#7
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	art, spit it out... who sent you that? Alex

2005-06-04, 02:52 PM	#10
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I may start to require naked pics of the submitters' wives/girlfriends/or most attractive female cousin. A blood sample would be good too. Come on Art, answer Alex's question. Who sent you that email? I stumbled on the rules of one link list today who has posted the need for a 2257 statement in his/her rules. He/she is otherwise a very sensible and likeable webmaster. I understand why people are doing this, but it simply isn't necessary. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-06-04, 03:43 PM	#11
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	I saw one the other day but can't remember who it was. As all my freesites have that info anyway, it wasn't something I took a whole lot of notice of. My TGPs on the other hand, I need to get to work on.

2005-06-04, 04:04 PM	#12
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	like i have always put on my linksites: We are not responsible for the sites content in which we link . We Do Not host these sites if any sites are found in violation of any laws please contact the site providers email found on the site. The owners and creators of this site are not held liable for any violations from sites in which we link at the present time, i still think the same, have had some discusions with others about my thinking about this in the past, but its not my duty to check the legal thing with pics and all on those sites, if by my rules i accept..... The last year i made my free sites and tgp all have the 2257 link on it, i am realy not worried about the new 2257, also not for my old sites, i have enough bought content to switch content on the sites wher it is needed __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2005-06-04, 04:13 PM	#14
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Totally agree - there is no requirement for you to police this BS - no changes here - HOWEVER - I do know of at least one TGP thumb software package that has that built in for submits - and most WMs just leave it set to the default of on - so I guess for some TGP WMs they are doing that without realizing it - BTW its Comus thumbs that has that built in __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-06-04, 10:38 PM	#15
mikeyddddd A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 57	I guess it all depends on how "known major entry points, or principal URL" is defined. "(d) A computer site or service or Web address containing a digitally- or computer-manipulated image, digital image, or picture, shall contain the required statement on its homepage, any known major entry points, or principal URL (including the principal URL of a subdomain)" http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...5/05-10107.htm __________________ mikey likes it

2005-06-04, 11:09 PM	#18
spookyx Kodak Ghosts Run Amok Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hobbs End Posts: 1,718	I won't require them on any of my link lists or tgp's

2005-06-04, 11:34 PM	#19
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	If the want a link on the gallery/FS page, those scripts that count links better allow for an extra one. Personally I put the link as a text link(hacked), that can be copy/pasted real easy if you're not a complete computer moron. The link off the root is clickable though. __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2005-06-05, 03:00 PM	#20
bobbiekey If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 37	Just out of curiosity. How many LL and TGP Owners are going to list only softcore if the law stays as it is?

2005-06-05, 03:21 PM	#21
Fido And Lord, we are especially thankful for nuclear power, the cleanest, safest energy source there is. Except for solar, which is just a pipe dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 229	I am going even farther. Begining June 21st 2005, I am going to require you have a "2257" statement and your certificate of vaccination on all galleries or links submitted.