In light of 2257 and using sponsor hosted galleries...

[LowryBigwood]

I'm curious if the new 2257 situation will change the way any LL owners look at people building freesites with the gallery pages using FHG's.

For example, using the same format, but linking the gallery links directly to free hosted galleries. I know this wasn't generally acceptable before, but in light of the 2257 situation we're all in now, do you think this could be a possibility for those of us who do not wish to host images anylonger?

I am considering allowing this on TripleXworld.com and may make an update to the rules, to start allowing these types of submissions...

Anyone else giving this any thought?

[Lemmy]

The argument against that doesn't really change with new 2257 regs. I might as well link to those galleries myself using my own aff code.

[LowryBigwood]

That's very true Lemmy, but it would also possibly give more submissions and also more incoming links to your LL.

[RawAlex]

Allowing people to take a couple of sponsor galleries and toss a front end on it pretty much defeats the purpose. I can write a program to do that in about 10 minutes. Why would I want to hand traffic to people too lazy to even build a whole site?

Sorry, it don't work.

Alex

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Allowing people to take a couple of sponsor galleries and toss a front end on it pretty much defeats the purpose. I can write a program to do that in about 10 minutes. Why would I want to hand traffic to people too lazy to even build a whole site?

Sorry, it don't work.

Alex

Defeats the purpose of what exactly?

It's not about being too lazy to build an entire 4 page freesite, it's about choosing not to host images on your server.

You still get recips, and the traffic you would normally get back from the recips.

I was hoping some LL's may rethink the policy towards linking to hosted gals, as I don't see how that hurts the LL owner one bit.

Maybe i'm missing something...

[Toby]

The biggest problem that I see is that the hosted galleries are not within your direct control. A major change at the sponsor, and suddenly your gallery links are 404's or redirects.

[Useless]

Lowry, I don't think that anything which is proposed as 2257 work-around will ever take flight, especially since it's not the link list owner's concern whether or not someone chooses to be compliant. You're making a very good point, especially since subs are down, but I think we all still rely on the rule that anything submitted must be hosted on the submitter's server. I don't see that changing. Plus, don't we see enough sponsor content as it is? Submissions will increase as more and more submitters get a grasp on the situation.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Toby

The biggest problem that I see is that the hosted galleries are not within your direct control. A major change at the sponsor, and suddenly your gallery links are 404's or redirects.

This is a good point Toby. But, i think most of the larger LL's are now using link checking bots that look for 404s and redirects.

[Toby]

I think the Bots only check the warning pages.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Lowry, I don't think that anything which is proposed as 2257 work-around will ever take flight, especially since it's not the link list owner's concern whether or not someone chooses to be compliant. You're making a very good point, especially since subs are down, but I think we all still rely on the rule that anything submitted must be hosted on the submitter's server. I don't see that changing. Plus, don't we see enough sponsor content as it is? Submissions will increase as more and more submitters get a grasp on the situation.

Hey UW!

You're right about it not being the LL owners concern if it's submitters are compliant or not. But this would allow those of us who do not wish to host images ourselves, to continue in the freesite biz model. That also is no concern of the LL owners, other than a lot of our friends and such have just been screwed by the gov.

Yes, we do see a lot of sponsor content now, but I think the same rules would apply to hosted galleries, if they're over saturated, they are over saturated. There are enough hosted galleries out there, that i think you could pick some that may not be over used on certain LL's.

The rules have changed from the governments side, and we should consider changing with the times...

[MadMax]

My submissions are not down, and I will never approve any site that's just a couple front pages for FHGs. I've seen way too many FHGs redirect with no warning. I won't even list HFS that are a couple front pages for FHGs because they invariably look like crap and have no natural flow to them. In any case, I don't want to start hearing "but the sponsor changed the pages I was linking to" when submitted sites start changing.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Toby

I think the Bots only check the warning pages.

That would pose a problem if that is all they check. At least until the linkbot checkers get more advanced.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by MadMax

My submissions are not down, and I will never approve any site that's just a couple front pages for FHGs. I've seen way too many FHGs redirect with no warning. I won't even list HFS that are a couple front pages for FHGs because they invariably look like crap and have no natural flow to them. In any case, I don't want to start hearing "but the sponsor changed the pages I was linking to" when submitted sites start changing.

Hello Madmax.

I understand the redirect problem with hosted galleries, but that could be solved with an advanced link checking bot, if they can crawl through the entire freesite. As far as them looking like crap, i beg to differ, as you could match up the colors to make it seemless.

But, you make good points.

[Ramster]

Changing with the times is not using sponsor hosted galleries.

Changing with the times is buying your own content. Then you have the needed docs.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Ramster

Changing with the times is not using sponsor hosted galleries.

Changing with the times is buying your own content. Then you have the needed docs.

Hi Ramster.

That isn't a change at all. That is doing biz as usual. Not everyone wants to allow the government to invade their privacy and make themselves available 20 hours a week for inspections.

[Greenguy]

Old 2257:
Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make such records available to the Attorney General or his delegee for inspection at all reasonable times.

I was told that meant "normal business hours" so this is not a change, just a clarification.

[Wenchy]

Yeah, but what exactly is defined as "normal business hours"? I work on my adult stuff at night as I have a day job that uses both my time and my computer during the 9-5 shift and would never be comfortable making myself or my computer available to an investigator during my day-job hours.... that would be a big time invasion of privacy IMHO.

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Hey UW!

You're right about it not being the LL owners concern if it's submitters are compliant or not. But this would allow those of us who do not wish to host images ourselves, to continue in the freesite biz model. That also is no concern of the LL owners, other than a lot of our friends and such have just been screwed by the gov.

Yes, we do see a lot of sponsor content now, but I think the same rules would apply to hosted galleries, if they're over saturated, they are over saturated. There are enough hosted galleries out there, that i think you could pick some that may not be over used on certain LL's.

The rules have changed from the governments side, and we should consider changing with the times...

There is plenty of content that does not need 2257 "info" that you can build sites with.

[ponyman]

I think it's actually a good idea to build Free sites that link to FHGs from your sposor, but I don't think many LL will accept that. One reason other than Raw Alex's idea that he doesn't want to list anyone that is lazy, is that there would be no links "back" to your freesite, the surfer would have to click the back button.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by spookyx

There is plenty of content that does not need 2257 "info" that you can build sites with.

Another good point spookyx.

I was thinking of trying some anime content. And I knew when i posted this thread, it probably would not be very popular, but I am interested in all this feedback.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by ponyman

I think it's actually a good idea to build Free sites that link to FHGs from your sposor, but I don't think many LL will accept that. One reason other than Raw Alex's idea that he doesn't want to list anyone that is lazy, is that there would be no links "back" to your freesite, the surfer would have to click the back button.

I never used navigation links on my galleries, just mostly 2 sponsor links, and then a link to a hub or my LL.

[RawAlex]

Lowry, I think you really have to sit back and decide:

AM I A PORNOGRAPHER?

Quite simply, do you want to make money from porn or not? Are you, Mr Haywood, willing to let people know who you are? Are you willing to admit to the people of Irving Texas that you make your living selling porn?

Guess what. They already know - at least the ones that can do a whois (and the government can do it just fine).

Let me ask you this: Would you like to just cut out the middle man entirely and submit your HFS links directly? No? Then why would I let you list a page that is just linking the the sponsor anyway? I am serious, I can do that myself, automated to the end, turn out 50 or 100 of those sites at a time. Your not brining anything new to the table that I can't bring there myself. Since I know very few (if any) link sites are going to link to you doing this stuff, there isn't even a traffic motivation in there for me.

It's a nice idea, but in doing so you bring yourself too close to being easily replaced by a bot.

Alex

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Lowry, I think you really have to sit back and decide:

AM I A PORNOGRAPHER?

Yes.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Quite simply, do you want to make money from porn or not? Are you, Mr Haywood, willing to let people know who you are? Are you willing to admit to the people of Irving Texas that you make your living selling porn?

They all already know, as I never hid what I do from anyone.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Let me ask you this: Would you like to just cut out the middle man entirely and submit your HFS links directly? No?

Sure, if you'll let me.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Then why would I let you list a page that is just linking the the sponsor anyway? I am serious, I can do that myself, automated to the end, turn out 50 or 100 of those sites at a time.

I think there is a difference in doing automated building and unique building.

My sites would all be 100% unique on the index and main pages, and i do alright at getting se traffic to them. If you can kick out 50 or 100 at a time, that's great. But why should that be a reason for not listing other sites that will bring you traffic and incoming links you would not have had otherwise? While at the same time, still providing quality content for your surfers.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Your not brining anything new to the table that I can't bring there myself.

That's very true Alex. I know this is not a new idea.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Since I know very few (if any) link sites are going to link to you doing this stuff, there isn't even a traffic motivation in there for me.

That's why I started this thread, to get an idea of if this would be accepted, and by which LL's.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It's a nice idea, but in doing so you bring yourself too close to being easily replaced by a bot.
Alex

Thanks. But I don't see it that way, mainly because when you build those automated sites, are they all going to be 100% unique or cookie cutters?

Also, you can automate the entire freesite build with bought or sponsor content in the same way you could do it with the freesites with free hosted galleries on them, right?

So, what is the difference in that? I respect everyones opinion on this, and do appreciate the feedback from everyone.

[RawAlex]

Well, then, let's get the the brass tacks of it. Why don't you want to actually have content?

[LowryBigwood]

Because, I dont like the idea of posting my home address on each page that shows sexual explicit images, and I don't like the idea of having to be available 20 hours aweek for the government to come beating down my door. I don't like cops anyhow, and they don't like me.

I'm not trying to hide anything, but that is my reasoning.