New 2257 info from FSC

Vink · 2005-07-21, 01:25 PM

New article at AVNonline
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=233948

Lemmy · 2005-07-21, 01:54 PM

Interesting to read about it on AVN. No mention of it on the FSC website and of course I haven't received any confirmation of my membership (4 weeks and counting) or any login info to their members' area, so how would I know.

Vink · 2005-07-21, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemmy

I haven't received any confirmation of my membership (4 weeks and counting) or any login info to their members' area, so how would I know.

Same for me, but I'm not going to sweat them. I'm going to the membership meeting on the 28th and see what's doin'.

Greenguy · 2005-07-21, 02:04 PM

That good for those of you that live in Southern California, but I'm a bit pissed that I paid to join & have to find out info from fucking AVN.

RawAlex · 2005-07-21, 02:30 PM

Also settled is the question of whether the new regulations, which went into effect on June 23, 2005, for all adult producers who were not plaintiffs or FSC members before June 25, were applicable to material "created in the first instance" only after June 23, or did they also apply to material originally created before the date the regs went into effect.

"Were plaintiffs to raise this issue in a legal filing," was the DOJ's response, "defendant would take the position that the quoted language refers to material created in the first instance after June 23, 2005, and not to pre-existing material that is assembled, manufactured, published, duplicated, copied, digitized, reissued, or disseminated after June 23, 2005."

... and now the fun starts. Now all the running for past 2257 documents is likely moot, if I read this correctly. "First instance" meaning date of creation of the original image. It sounds like the DOJ is going to try to apply this ONLY to material made after June 23rd.

Full speed astern!

Alex

Vink · 2005-07-21, 02:32 PM

GG I know what you mean.
Have you ever considered moving?
Buffalo, that's the worst of both worlds. The weather sucks. It's like you live in Canada but with a government that hates free speech.

madleinx · 2005-07-21, 02:43 PM

Alex, could you clarify that for me a little? If I'm reading that correctly, then 2257 would only apply to images created (i.e., filmed) after 6/23/05. Is that right? So sites that I pulled on June 22 would be exempt because the original images were created years ago? How on earth does that tie in with the clause about content created/published/etc. after 1995 within the regs?

I know that I'm pretty brain-dead right now from lack of sleep, but those "clarifications" seem about as clear as mud to me.

SirMoby · 2005-07-21, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vink

GG I know what you mean.
Have you ever considered moving?
Buffalo, that's the worst of both worlds. The weather sucks. It's like you live in Canada but with a government that hates free speech.

I think Ramster and RawAlex should start a real estate business and sell homes that come equipped with high speed Internet and a local college work force

RawAlex · 2005-07-21, 03:56 PM

I have a source for reliable chinese workers...

Alex

juggernaut · 2005-07-21, 03:59 PM

Well seems like things are a little better but who the fuck knows. LL are off the hook if they dont put any adult material on the site at least from what i got from that part of it. One thing I wondered about is they keep talking about original date of production. How in the world are they going to know 100%. If I take anything and place it on my server it will say that that thing was created the day I put it on the box. Even if it was really created years ago. I think thats kind of screwed up being from what I'm reading they are looking to grandfather away some of the problems, but what about people who took their stuff down? Now they are saying they could have left it up and it would have been ok? Maybe I'm reading this all wrong. One thing is for sure it seems allot better then what they had last month. I'm still waiting to see if I should bother even trying to keep my cam site alive. No mention of anything about recording the streams, if a 1 min vid clip is now considered a film. I got my letter in the mail yesterday about the FSC an my membership but no logon info. One thing i loveed tho. Is keeping everything in a differant room with no chair or AC or anything. Shit I'm going to keep the records in the attic. They can stand in the 130 degree heat all fucking day for all I care. And I will not give them a seat or anything. I figure after a few hours in a sweet box it might be hard to do your job.

Vink · 2005-07-21, 04:11 PM

I'm going to build an outhouse and keep the records in there.

SirMoby · 2005-07-21, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vink

I'm going to build an outhouse and keep the records in there.

The outhouse will be your main place of business?

Vink · 2005-07-21, 04:50 PM

I'd be threre 20 hours a week anyways. Making sure it was full for when they come and check my records. The DOJ are the revenuers of the 21st century.

Greenguy · 2005-07-22, 02:26 PM

I just got my nice & official "Free Speech X-Press, July 22, 2005" newsletter....this is not mentioned in it.

mrMagoo · 2005-07-23, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Also settled is the question of whether the new regulations, which went into effect on June 23, 2005, for all adult producers who were not plaintiffs or FSC members before June 25, were applicable to material "created in the first instance" only after June 23, or did they also apply to material originally created before the date the regs went into effect.

"Were plaintiffs to raise this issue in a legal filing," was the DOJ's response, "defendant would take the position that the quoted language refers to material created in the first instance after June 23, 2005, and not to pre-existing material that is assembled, manufactured, published, duplicated, copied, digitized, reissued, or disseminated after June 23, 2005."

... and now the fun starts. Now all the running for past 2257 documents is likely moot, if I read this correctly. "First instance" meaning date of creation of the original image. It sounds like the DOJ is going to try to apply this ONLY to material made after June 23rd.

Full speed astern!

Alex

This is great if true

However I would like to see the complete question and answer.

It does save some of my video content though.

MeatPounder · 2005-07-23, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I just got my nice & official "Free Speech X-Press, July 22, 2005" newsletter....this is not mentioned in it.

Nice that your social club sends you a newsletter tho

2005-07-21, 01:25 PM	#1
Vink Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Van Nuys CA Posts: 124	New 2257 info from FSC New article at AVNonline http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=233948

2005-07-21, 01:54 PM	#2
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	Interesting to read about it on AVN. No mention of it on the FSC website and of course I haven't received any confirmation of my membership (4 weeks and counting) or any login info to their members' area, so how would I know. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2005-07-21, 02:04 PM	#4
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2005-07-21, 02:43 PM	#7
madleinx Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Big Easy, or Disneyland for Grown-Ups Posts: 120	Alex, could you clarify that for me a little? If I'm reading that correctly, then 2257 would only apply to images created (i.e., filmed) after 6/23/05. Is that right? So sites that I pulled on June 22 would be exempt because the original images were created years ago? How on earth does that tie in with the clause about content created/published/etc. after 1995 within the regs? I know that I'm pretty brain-dead right now from lack of sleep, but those "clarifications" seem about as clear as mud to me. __________________ <A HREF="http://apps.ClickCash.com/cgi/cc_refer.exe?acct=JUSTMARIE" target="_top">$40 PPS and up on FREE signups! All niches and tons of promo content!</A>

2005-07-22, 02:26 PM	#14
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I just got my nice & official "Free Speech X-Press, July 22, 2005" newsletter....this is not mentioned in it. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-07-21, 02:30 PM	#5
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Also settled is the question of whether the new regulations, which went into effect on June 23, 2005, for all adult producers who were not plaintiffs or FSC members before June 25, were applicable to material "created in the first instance" only after June 23, or did they also apply to material originally created before the date the regs went into effect. "Were plaintiffs to raise this issue in a legal filing," was the DOJ's response, "defendant would take the position that the quoted language refers to material created in the first instance after June 23, 2005, and not to pre-existing material that is assembled, manufactured, published, duplicated, copied, digitized, reissued, or disseminated after June 23, 2005." ... and now the fun starts. Now all the running for past 2257 documents is likely moot, if I read this correctly. "First instance" meaning date of creation of the original image. It sounds like the DOJ is going to try to apply this ONLY to material made after June 23rd. Full speed astern! Alex

2005-07-21, 02:32 PM	#6
Vink Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Van Nuys CA Posts: 124	GG I know what you mean. Have you ever considered moving? Buffalo, that's the worst of both worlds. The weather sucks. It's like you live in Canada but with a government that hates free speech.

2005-07-21, 03:56 PM	#9
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	I have a source for reliable chinese workers... Alex

2005-07-21, 03:59 PM	#10
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	Well seems like things are a little better but who the fuck knows. LL are off the hook if they dont put any adult material on the site at least from what i got from that part of it. One thing I wondered about is they keep talking about original date of production. How in the world are they going to know 100%. If I take anything and place it on my server it will say that that thing was created the day I put it on the box. Even if it was really created years ago. I think thats kind of screwed up being from what I'm reading they are looking to grandfather away some of the problems, but what about people who took their stuff down? Now they are saying they could have left it up and it would have been ok? Maybe I'm reading this all wrong. One thing is for sure it seems allot better then what they had last month. I'm still waiting to see if I should bother even trying to keep my cam site alive. No mention of anything about recording the streams, if a 1 min vid clip is now considered a film. I got my letter in the mail yesterday about the FSC an my membership but no logon info. One thing i loveed tho. Is keeping everything in a differant room with no chair or AC or anything. Shit I'm going to keep the records in the attic. They can stand in the 130 degree heat all fucking day for all I care. And I will not give them a seat or anything. I figure after a few hours in a sweet box it might be hard to do your job.

2005-07-21, 04:11 PM	#11
Vink Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Van Nuys CA Posts: 124	I'm going to build an outhouse and keep the records in there.

2005-07-21, 04:50 PM	#13
Vink Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Van Nuys CA Posts: 124	I'd be threre 20 hours a week anyways. Making sure it was full for when they come and check my records. The DOJ are the revenuers of the 21st century.