what are those popups that get past the blockers?

[guestcam]

what are those popups that get past the blockers?

They're the popups that scroll across the screen or just do a normal popup. And you see they on the big boys websites too like sbc and cnn.

They cant be javaSCRIPT , can they?
I heard they might be java or flash or a combo of the two.

Can someone give me the scoop on them and where I might find a few useful tools for making them?

thanks
H

[Toby]

They're usually a Flash animation/movie within a moving layer, not really popups as they're not opening a new browser window.

[emmanuelle]

the popups that get past the blockers usually require active x

[mOrrI]

Toby is right normaly they are a layer hovering above the webpage it self....
they are not a new window....

[guestcam]

they are part of the SAME window?? really? I could have sworn some of those popped up outside of the window. But I do recall that many while appearing to be ontop of the current window, could definately be part of the same browser window now that Toby mentions it...........

I found one tool already for making flash banners and the corresponding html code for working the banners. I suppose if I learn my use of <div> and <ilayers> a bit better I can get some of the same effects of APPEARING to have a window popup within the current page.

as for the activex, if I recall correctly, MS IE will generically refer to enabling flash as an activeX activity. I think any html code using <embed> or <object> and a CSLID tag is seen as 'active x'.

thanks guys for your input. If anyone has a preferred tool for making flash banners etc, please post that info too

H

[oast]

Bear in mind that a lot of these 'fake' pop-ups require the use of Javascript.
If your users know what you are up to and turn off (or block Javascript) at your site, it may affect other aspects of your site.

In my experience pop-ups have a worse reputation than traditional banners... the sooner sites stop using them, the sooner more surfers will re-enable Javascript and be able to experience some very 'clever' sites to their full extent.

Just my 2c

Steve

[MrYum]

I'm with Oast on this one.

If someone has specifically taken measures to avoid popups...I would think popping consoles on em anyway would be a great way to alienate your traffic and make sure they don't buy anything. And perhaps more importantly, ensure they don't come back because they're not going to trust a site that obviously did something shady to defeat their blocker.

If the days of trapping and/or tricking the surfer into buying aren't already over, they will be very soon. Hope so anyway...I'd much rather offer the surfer a product to get his juices flowing and make him downright grateful for the experience he's had on my sites

[Mattinblack]

I played with this last year. In Javascript you can create a whole page section that looks like a pop-up complete with all the chrome but is positioned off the screen. You can then move it instantly onto the screen, it can have anything in it that a webpage can.

Because it was loaded with the web page the blockers cant block it. If you want to be nasty and antisocial you can make it follow the mouse and cover each thumbnail till the user clicks on it to make it go away, linking to a new window with a further site in a frame with code that sends it to the back - a pop-under. Because this resulted from a user request (a vanilla mouse click with no javascript) the blockers wont catch that either!

[guestcam]

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

I played with this last year. In Javascript you can create a whole page section that looks like a pop-up complete with all the chrome but is positioned off the screen. You can then move it instantly onto the screen, it can have anything in it that a webpage can.

Because it was loaded with the web page the blockers cant block it. If you want to be nasty and antisocial you can make it follow the mouse and cover each thumbnail till the user clicks on it to make it go away, linking to a new window with a further site in a frame with code that sends it to the back - a pop-under. Because this resulted from a user request (a vanilla mouse click with no javascript) the blockers wont catch that either!

sounds like the ticket I am seeking. Well I dont need the mouse following stuff, just a popup effect that gets past blockers.

So any recommendation on editors that do this coding? Or just the general method of HTML and javascript that gets the "create a whole page section that looks like a pop-up complete with all the chrome but is positioned off the screen" happening?

thanks
H

[Halfdeck]

One of the sure ways to make money is to own a site where surfers keep coming back.

By using popups surfers can't block, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

[Mattinblack]

Only if the surfers can asociate the pop-under with your site... there are ways of ensuring they cant!

[tickler]

Originally Posted by oast

... the sooner more surfers will re-enable Javascript and be able to experience some very 'clever' sites to their full extent.
Steve

Originally Posted by MrYum

I'm with Oast on this one.

...I'd much rather offer the surfer a product to get his juices flowing and make him downright grateful for the experience he's had on my sites

Yeah I have some things that pop little windows as the surfers mouse-over different links. They seem to love these little easter eggs.

[oast]

There is so much that can be done with JS, but I don't use it (a lot) as it appears more and more surfers are disabling it to combat pop-ups, fly-ins etc.

[guestcam]

can we stick to the thread topic please?
What I want is tech info to accomplish the same thing CNN, YAHOO and SBC Global, among other sites, are doing with their popup techniques.

If you can help with that technical information, I would be happy to hear from you.

[oast]

You could start with this as a reference.

This Google search will give you more examples

[Mattinblack]

Sigh
....all I want is the technical information....

Not quite as simple as that Guestcam.

1. All the good scripts out there (including mine) are encrypted so viewing source will do nothing to help. You cant lift them because any coder worth his salt will make a complex script look at the page URL and redirect to the coders sites.

2. What you want to do can be accomplished in several different ways depending on exactly what you want the pop-up to do and your site visitor demographic (browser type) There is no magic bullet.

3. It may be better and neater to accomplish what you want to do with a combination of cgi scripting and jscript.

If you mail me with exactly what you want then I will give you a quote. Its not expensive since the code exists in my library, just needs modding and crypting.

As to users turning jscript, cookies etc off then if they ~~really~~ want to see those niche pics of a 500lb African woman on the toilet then very little will stop them. Serve a teaser page with a message telling them to turn the shit on.

[oast]

guestcam.. you have a PM

[oast]

Originally Posted by guestcam

So any recommendation on editors that do this coding? Or just the general method of HTML and javascript that gets the "create a whole page section that looks like a pop-up complete with all the chrome but is positioned off the screen"

Another problem with using pop-ups with "chrome" is that windows on a Linux box look different to windows on a Mac which look different to windows on a PC which vary from theme to theme.
Your user will feel alienated if they are not 'targeted' directly by the style you use.
Just another 2c worth

[guestcam]

Originally Posted by oast

Another problem with using pop-ups with "chrome" is that windows on a Linux box look different to windows on a Mac which look different to windows on a PC which vary from theme to theme.
Your user will feel alienated if they are not 'targeted' directly by the style you use.
Just another 2c worth

Well first let me thank you for the helpful pm.

And as for the linux browsers, I'll have to manage without that business I suppose.

But Seriously, linux users and their browsers?? If there is any place I am going to find men who DO NOT want to pay and who likely KNOW how to pirate and Hack into sites, isnt it going to be in the linux users group??

I'll stick with my one man company's working hours spent on windows intel MS browser surfers. Its not the whole world I know, but it is the DUMBEST part of the whole world and thems the yahoos I want!

[guestcam]

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

Sigh
....all I want is the technical information....

Not quite as simple as that Guestcam.

Um, yes, it is. If the person replying actually has experience with what I am talking about and if they reply to this thread noting their experience and offer their help. Then YES its that simple.

Sort of like when you post to an adult webmaster forum asking for asistance. No wait, that IS what we're doing here, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

1. All the good scripts out there (including mine) are encrypted so viewing source will do nothing to help.

Um, no, they all are not. I am sure the best of the best are encrypted, hidden, etc. I wasnt asking for the best. In fact I wasnt aware there were levels of complexity.

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

There is no magic bullet.

All I had ASKED for was how to do the coding for the pop ups that get past my blockers. I'll do the coding. Just needed some help getting started since I had just a slight idea how these pop ups were getting past my blockers in the first place.

Originally Posted by Mattinblack

3. It may be better and neater to accomplish what you want to do with a combination of cgi scripting and jscript.

If you mail me with exactly what you want then I will give you a quote. Its not expensive since the code exists in my library, just needs modding and crypting.

Well if the info, urls,tools, and code I already have to work with turns out to not be what I was seeking, I'll follow-up on your offer.

thanks again to everyone for their help.
H

[T Pat]

I've never used a popup but I have resale rights to a doxoXmK
3with lifetime upgrades to a handfull slide in blure in pop from behind or in front ome automaticly fill the surfers Email address in for him pop 5 minutes after the surfer leaves your site soome written in Java some, some in,: on l caint give any away but I can offer you killer deal $79

[oast]

Originally Posted by T Pat

I've never used a popup but I have resale rights to a doxoXmK
3with lifetime upgrades to a handfull slide in blure in pop from behind or in front ome automaticly fill the surfers Email address in for him pop 5 minutes after the surfer leaves your site soome written in Java some, some in,: on l caint give any away but I can offer you killer deal $79

|shocking| Have I had too much coffee today? I didn't understand a word of that!

[mOrrI]

oast it's a trying to sell post lol

[oast]

That's why I didn't understand it. My brain scrambles sales pitches!

[mOrrI]

heheheheeh....
Well that way you don't fall on sales scams :p