News WITHOUT a spin

DJilla · 2006-01-03, 07:51 AM

We all know how hard it is to get decent information about current and important events that doesn't dribble out of the mouth of some lobbyist. Surfing around the other day I came across this site:

http://newstandardnews.net/?action=show_homepage

An interesting, homespun, slightly populist view of the news with a lot of accurate background info on most stories that only get a small blurb in the mainstream press. Seems like a groundlevel effort. Maybe you like it maybe you don't. Do you have a good source of news and info that IS NOT mainstream and you feel is fairly accurate most of the time? How 'bout posting it here?

Happy New Year All!

RawAlex · 2006-01-03, 10:56 AM

I went and looked at that site, and I got a very strong wiff of "liberterian attitude" in there. Most of the articles are very subtly but very slearly anti-bush anti-republican, but written in a way to not make you think they have an opinion.

They have a stand, they are just working hard to not make it as blatant as Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken.

I have been using http://news.myway.com and digging down a bit, plus the BBC news site and a couple of others "outside the orbit" of washington. You are correct, too much of the current news is run by the spin doctors and "cycle controllers", but that is what happens when every piece of news is first sterlized, neutralized, and then poked and prodded by a "panel of experts" on the talk shows that pass for news on the Fox News Channel. I find it amazing that from about 6PM until 3 AM, there is little or no news on Fox, and yet it is the most popular news channel.

Makes you wonder.

Alex

SirMoby · 2006-01-04, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Most of the articles are very subtly but very slearly anti-bush

Isn't most real news a little anti-dubya without any help from anyone?

RawAlex · 2006-01-04, 06:12 PM

These days it is... I get a laugh out of seeing even the donuts on foxnews calling him out ever so gently. I have a real feeling that even his own party is getting tired of this endless swamp of difficult military actions, thinly veiled corruption, wishy-washy answers, and month long vacations on the ranch to clear brush. More and more, I see an absentee landlord at work.

However, that being said, there is a difference between reporting "Bush restates military policy" and report-editorializing "Dems call Bush military policy 'bullshit'" or "Reps think Bush "on course for a win" in Iraq" Just choosing who you quote at the top or in the first paragraph can change everything.

Too much of the "news" today is dependant on those quotes to make it "sing"... but then it only signs the party lines (which from what I can gather, is often the extremist feelings of less than 10% of the population at either end of the debate).

Alex

Tommy · 2006-01-04, 06:36 PM

lately I love the news

I never cared for it before but the last 2 years I just cant get enough

my all time favorite is anti politician news

they are all crooks pubs, Dem's.. whatever
when one of em gets caught its just a little tiny piece of justice and I am smiles from ear to ear
and lately the republicans never leave me disappointed

Tommy · 2006-01-04, 06:41 PM

also Google email alerts are VERY GOOD for certain subjects

like set up an alert for a term like "under god"

and every morning when you log on your inbox is filled with all sorts of news articles that contain that term

RawAlex · 2006-01-05, 12:35 AM

Tommy, I don't think they are going to disappoint you for a while to come either... it looks like the 2006 elections are going to get ugly!

http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...NGRESS-DC.html

Major fund raiser and insider nailed bad for a bunch of business deals, some of which involved the government and Republican elected representitives and officials. I can picture him talking his way out of jail pretty easy by disclosing the location of the buried treasures.

I read a recent survey that suggested that most people think politicians are corrupt...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10387184/

It's entertaining to watch.

Alex

SirMoby · 2006-01-05, 12:49 AM

So it's pretty obvious that people working "under god" would never allow such things to happen. So mid this year what will the campaign trail use as a slogan?

Will they suddenly find a dead bearded man?

Maybe 5 bearded men with nuclear material will be captured?

Maybe an invasion of Iran?

Something big has to happen in the war on terror since touting 5% uneployment will only go so far and the integrity is falling fast.

DJilla · 2006-01-05, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

I went and looked at that site, and I got a very strong wiff of "liberterian attitude" in there. Most of the articles are very subtly but very slearly anti-bush anti-republican, but written in a way to not make you think they have an opinion.

Wellll, yeah re: "a libertarian feel" is valid. But, I've found that any libertarian bias in point of view is harmless or even beneficial because it encourages empowering people through information and education and generally views the government and the corporation as hostile to that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

also Google email alerts are VERY GOOD for certain subjects like set up an alert for a term like "under god" and every morning when you log on your inbox is filled with all sorts of news articles that contain that term

You're right! These are GREAT. I've been using them for about 6 months and fiddle with them all the time. The only mainstream show I bother with is Charlie Rose. The internet now has created a responsibiity for the proper "citizen" to collect his own news. I started a thread here about a month ago asking who used them and for what subjects.... the thread died upon impact.

Tommy did you see this: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=27466

I don't endorse any off the ideas of this info link but i do like to check them out occassionally.
http://www.guerrillanews.com/

|shocking|

Tommy · 2006-01-05, 12:51 PM

Moby sometimes ya gotta wonder how dumb the people in this country are

5% unemployment ....the economy is doing good because of the bush tax breaks.... yeah right

the economy is doing good because of the housing bubble and the housing bubble was created by cheap interest rates

the cheap interest rates were created by china pumping money in to american banks because they are swimming in money from our 200 million trade deficit with them

right now housing is almost 50% of the G.N.P.

everybody is borrowing money and putting in new kitchens, bathrooms, buying cars, furniture, electronics, pools

and my favorite paying off their credit cards with their home equity

in 3 or 4 years things are gonna get bad

RawAlex · 2006-01-05, 04:22 PM

Tommy, you express one of the reasons why I am actually looking at SELLING property rather than buying. There is a really big credit bubble out there, similar in scope to where japan was in the 80s, and the results could be similar if the US is not careful. Already some housing markets are seeing a drop in demand and prices, something that hasn't happened in a long time.

I find that for me, check the news from outside your home country is a good way to get a feel for what is really going on. Less chance of a local bias or filter coming into play. When you see differences, you can ask questions and look further.

Alex

DJilla · 2006-01-06, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

in 3 or 4 years things are gonna get bad

Maybe in one or two. Personally, I'm planning for it. All kinds of bargains you can get if you have CASH

2006-01-03, 07:51 AM	#1
DJilla You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 525	News WITHOUT a spin We all know how hard it is to get decent information about current and important events that doesn't dribble out of the mouth of some lobbyist. Surfing around the other day I came across this site: http://newstandardnews.net/?action=show_homepage An interesting, homespun, slightly populist view of the news with a lot of accurate background info on most stories that only get a small blurb in the mainstream press. Seems like a groundlevel effort. Maybe you like it maybe you don't. Do you have a good source of news and info that IS NOT mainstream and you feel is fairly accurate most of the time? How 'bout posting it here? Happy New Year All! __________________ Submit Free Sites, Blogs, Movies, TGP's, Triple XXX Info

2006-01-04, 06:36 PM	#5
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	lately I love the news I never cared for it before but the last 2 years I just cant get enough my all time favorite is anti politician news they are all crooks pubs, Dem's.. whatever when one of em gets caught its just a little tiny piece of justice and I am smiles from ear to ear and lately the republicans never leave me disappointed __________________ Accepting New partners

2006-01-04, 06:41 PM	#6
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	also Google email alerts are VERY GOOD for certain subjects like set up an alert for a term like "under god" and every morning when you log on your inbox is filled with all sorts of news articles that contain that term __________________ Accepting New partners

2006-01-05, 12:51 PM	#10
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	Moby sometimes ya gotta wonder how dumb the people in this country are 5% unemployment ....the economy is doing good because of the bush tax breaks.... yeah right the economy is doing good because of the housing bubble and the housing bubble was created by cheap interest rates the cheap interest rates were created by china pumping money in to american banks because they are swimming in money from our 200 million trade deficit with them right now housing is almost 50% of the G.N.P. everybody is borrowing money and putting in new kitchens, bathrooms, buying cars, furniture, electronics, pools and my favorite paying off their credit cards with their home equity in 3 or 4 years things are gonna get bad __________________ Accepting New partners

2006-01-03, 10:56 AM	#2
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	I went and looked at that site, and I got a very strong wiff of "liberterian attitude" in there. Most of the articles are very subtly but very slearly anti-bush anti-republican, but written in a way to not make you think they have an opinion. They have a stand, they are just working hard to not make it as blatant as Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken. I have been using http://news.myway.com and digging down a bit, plus the BBC news site and a couple of others "outside the orbit" of washington. You are correct, too much of the current news is run by the spin doctors and "cycle controllers", but that is what happens when every piece of news is first sterlized, neutralized, and then poked and prodded by a "panel of experts" on the talk shows that pass for news on the Fox News Channel. I find it amazing that from about 6PM until 3 AM, there is little or no news on Fox, and yet it is the most popular news channel. Makes you wonder. Alex

2006-01-04, 06:12 PM	#4
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	These days it is... I get a laugh out of seeing even the donuts on foxnews calling him out ever so gently. I have a real feeling that even his own party is getting tired of this endless swamp of difficult military actions, thinly veiled corruption, wishy-washy answers, and month long vacations on the ranch to clear brush. More and more, I see an absentee landlord at work. However, that being said, there is a difference between reporting "Bush restates military policy" and report-editorializing "Dems call Bush military policy 'bullshit'" or "Reps think Bush "on course for a win" in Iraq" Just choosing who you quote at the top or in the first paragraph can change everything. Too much of the "news" today is dependant on those quotes to make it "sing"... but then it only signs the party lines (which from what I can gather, is often the extremist feelings of less than 10% of the population at either end of the debate). Alex

2006-01-05, 12:35 AM	#7
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Tommy, I don't think they are going to disappoint you for a while to come either... it looks like the 2006 elections are going to get ugly! http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...NGRESS-DC.html Major fund raiser and insider nailed bad for a bunch of business deals, some of which involved the government and Republican elected representitives and officials. I can picture him talking his way out of jail pretty easy by disclosing the location of the buried treasures. I read a recent survey that suggested that most people think politicians are corrupt... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10387184/ It's entertaining to watch. Alex

2006-01-05, 12:49 AM	#8
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	So it's pretty obvious that people working "under god" would never allow such things to happen. So mid this year what will the campaign trail use as a slogan? Will they suddenly find a dead bearded man? Maybe 5 bearded men with nuclear material will be captured? Maybe an invasion of Iran? Something big has to happen in the war on terror since touting 5% uneployment will only go so far and the integrity is falling fast.

2006-01-05, 04:22 PM	#11
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Tommy, you express one of the reasons why I am actually looking at SELLING property rather than buying. There is a really big credit bubble out there, similar in scope to where japan was in the 80s, and the results could be similar if the US is not careful. Already some housing markets are seeing a drop in demand and prices, something that hasn't happened in a long time. I find that for me, check the news from outside your home country is a good way to get a feel for what is really going on. Less chance of a local bias or filter coming into play. When you see differences, you can ask questions and look further. Alex