Page Rank

[rcaponeg]

I am new to the biz. My website is http://www.Filthy-Frank.comI have been stuck at a page rank of 2 for more than 6 months. Has anyone heard of using the rel=no follow tag on outbound links so that page rank is not penalized. I have been working hard to build links but this has not seemed to help my page rank Thanks for you help Frank

[balls_deep]

i hope you aren't using the no follow for your hardlinks.

no follow is one of those things that can penalize you if you use it too much.

personally i dont use it on any of my sites.

[NY Jester]

..wouldnt using the 'no follow' be counter productive for the recipient of the link?

[Maj. Stress]

While I still think that PR is an important part of SEO, I see it as 'how' you obtain the ranking as the important factor. Personally, I've seen no benefit from using the the no follow tag.

SEO is just one of those things you have to work at and see what works and what doesn't. My results will vary from others.

[Simon]

About the only place it makes sense to use the "nofollow" attribute of the anchor/link tag is in whatever template you may use to display the hosted free sites or free hosted galleries supplied by your sponsors, or in any other links to sponsor tours. Don't use "nofollow" on your hardlink trades with other site owners, and don't use it on links to free sites and galleries that are submitted to you.

Yes, there are some other ways you can use the "nofollow" attribute to focus more attention from the SE spiders onto the pages you want them to see, but that's probably nothing you'll need to spend time worrying about if you're just getting started.

It's hard to get toolbar PR when you're starting out with a new site on a new domain. Besides, that's only 1 of at least 3 kinds of PR and may be the least important. So work on what's really important in the meantime:

- Improve your index page design and content before you add any more link trades there.
- Add a lot more content to your main page and your category pages. Then get some link trades on your category pages.
- Also, clean up your meta keyword tags. Don't use the same contents in that tag on all your pages. Don't use the same keyword more than about 3 times in the keyword tag. Do customize the keyword tag contents to match what is actually on that specific page (not your site).
- And do write different meta description tags for each page, and again, make the description specific to that individual page.

Aside from doing those things, read all you can on this board and use the search function here to see what's been said about the things you want to know. Then ask more questions and someone around here will always try to help when they can.

[NY Jester]

^^^

Simon, so basiclaly if your listing FHS's or FHG's provided by a sponsor its best to use the nofollow atrribut in the link to ensure that the bots do not use the linked page for PR. Would this be the proper way to use the no follow attribute?

<a href="http://www.overthere.com" rel="nofollow">Another Site</a>.

[Simon]

NYJ - There are reasons to do or not do most things, so I'm not here to claim that it's "best" to do it ...but yes, the example you posted is the way to do it. Mostly I wanted to point out the places you (an ethical white-hat webmaster) would not want to use the nofollow attribute.

You might also consider using target='_blank' in links where you'd use nofollow.

[stuveltje]

oke me gonna post here what i think and if you put value on what i post thats your choise........pagerank i dont give a shit .......in a certain way then, if i make seo pages for linking to my own pages then pagerank is important...for free sites page rank i dont care of....you can have a pagerank 1 with tons of traffic and you can have a pagerank 5 with a small traffic, now if seo wise then pagerank is important...only if you link on your own pages pr high on a different host...thats all what i will say about it

[rcaponeg]

A couple of you guys said you don't care about Page rank. I thought you needed a good page rank to get listed on the first page of the search engines? If you have a low page rank how do you generate alot of traffic? Thanks for the help Frank

[Mr Spock]

PR is irrelevant to traffic flow - it is merely an indication of how many inbound links you have. All new freesites submitted to to LL have PR0 - however my freesites still generate traffic from Google and Yahoo.

I would rather trade hardlinks with a page that a ton of traffic and low PR than low traffic and high PR

[NY Jester]

I think the overall feel, PR doesnt make you sales, traffic makes you sales...as simple as Greenie says..Trade Traffic not PR

[SheepGuy]

I had PR6 on my LL through some fluke of technology. I bragged about it a bit, and after about 5-6 months it dropped, but I gained better spots for the keywords I wanted with the lower PR.
I'd rather have lower PR and better spots than higher PR and lower spots.

[Surfacing0325]

Originally Posted by rcaponeg

A couple of you guys said you don't care about Page rank. I thought you needed a good page rank to get listed on the first page of the search engines? If you have a low page rank how do you generate alot of traffic? Thanks for the help Frank

To kind of follow up on what Mr. Spock said PR is no indication of where a page ranks in the the search results. It is possible to have PR 0 with #1 results.

If you want high results you need to find a low searched for term thats on your page and capitalize on it!

From the looks of it your keywords are free porn and gang bang... there are tens of millions of unique sites that offer free porn and gangbangs. Its going to be hard to beat out that many sites to even make it into the top 100.

And like everyone says trade traffic... that #1 search result only brought me in about 500 visitors a month... a few links lists have sent me about or more than that many visitors in ONE DAY! And the right traffic trade will get you just as many.... so multiple trades would have you in good too!

[Simon]

I thought you needed a good page rank to get listed on the first page of the search engines?

I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread that you're probably only looking at only one of at least three PageRank calculation results.

There is Toolbar PR, which is pretty easy to see but only shows a kind of historical PR which may be three or more months out of date and isn't what Google actually uses to rank your page.

Then there's Directory PR, which you can see if you have a site listed in the Google Directory (though you need to know how to translate the visual green bar graphics into numbers*).

And then there's Real PageRank, which you can't see and mostly can't calculate for yourself. This is the one only known to Google itself and this contains the real-time values that make up part of the ranking systems that determine where your site may appear on certain search results today.

Take a look at the math examples on the Wikipedia PageRank page and if every bit of it makes perfect sense to you, then it might be worth spending a little time trying to understand how Google may be calculating things at the moment, though you'd have to run many thousands of well-defined tests on your own pages and sites to build your own data sets. And just when you have it all figured out, Google is likely to change their algorithms in ways that will invalidate your results.

On the other hand, you can just concentrate on the things you can really do that will help, like my suggestions in that earlier post here.




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* The Google Toolbar Pagerank is a 11 unit scale of 0-10. The Google Directory Pagerank scale is a 8 unit scale. The 8 units can only been see by looking at the code that makes up the Pagerank green bar. The 8 positions are cleardot.gif, 5/35, 11/29, 16/24, 22/18, 27/13, 32/8, and 38/2 (pos.gif/neg.gif).

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Simon

NYJ - There are reasons to do or not do most things, so I'm not here to claim that it's "best" to do it ...but yes, the example you posted is the way to do it. Mostly I wanted to point out the places you (an ethical white-hat webmaster) would not want to use the nofollow attribute.

You might also consider using target='_blank' in links where you'd use nofollow.

I use target='_new' along with the nofollow tag so surfers can exit the page and come back to my page. Will target='_blank' do the same thing?

[Simon]

Close. But not exactly.

The four "valid" values for the target attribute are _blank, _parent, _self and _top.

Aside from those four, which do very specific things, like opening a new, blank window for example, you can also put "new" or most anything else you want in there and you'll get a new window too in most cases.

The caveat is that what really happens is that you actually create a new window AND name it "new" (or whatever word you put in the target attribute's value).

Of course if you use "new" all the time, it's possible the surfer may already have a new window named "new" opened and what will happen is that the link will now load the contents into that already opened window since you've told it that that's the target you want it to use.

If you use "_blank" you'll always get a new window.

And don't forget that leading underscore character or you'll just be creating a new page AND naming it "blank" similar to what happens if you use "new" as the target.

HTH

[LeRoy]

pagerank i dont give a shit

Nice one stuveltje. I have some good listings on some PR 5 lists and the traffic is not coming in that good.

[NY Jester]

Simon good advice with the window opening. makes alot of sense I know myself Ive had something opened and then clicked on another POOF it opens in that same window..now I know why.

[Simon]

I forgot to mention that naming a page instead of using _blank as the value can cause one bad effect. After opening a window named "new" the surfer may click on the window with your hub or link list page, accidentally putting the named "new" page behind that window. Now every time he clicks a link with the "new" value on your page, it opens in the window hidden behind your page. Eventually the surfer gets tired of clicking links that seem to never do anything and leaves your site, maybe even a little pissed off. That won't happen if you use _blank.

[DartDave]

Originally Posted by Simon

After opening a window named "new" the surfer may click on the window with your hub or link list page, accidentally putting the named "new" page behind that window. Now every time he clicks a link with the "new" value on your page, it opens in the window hidden behind your page.

DOH! Being under the misconception that "new" and "blank" were interchangeable, I could never figure out what was causing this. Thank you, Simon. Life makes so much more sense now!

[Simon]

Being under the misconception that "new" and "blank" were interchangeable...

Be careful with this. In many ways "new" and "blank" are nearly interchangeable in the sense that in both case you'd be giving a newly-created window a name, not just opening a new blank, unnamed window.

Remember: blank does not equal _blank

"_blank" is the one you want.



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[HowlingWulf]

Originally Posted by Simon

Close. But not exactly.

The caveat is that what really happens is that you actually create a new window AND name it "new" (or whatever word you put in the target attribute's value).

Of course if you use "new" all the time, it's possible the surfer may already have a new window named "new" opened and what will happen is that the link will now load the contents into that already opened window since you've told it that that's the target you want it to use.

I just learned something.

Warn me next time.


Like others here I've been learning PR doesn't seem to have much correlation to actual search result placements. I've had PR4 sites with a trickle of search traffic and I just made some new seo-targeted sites that already have first page results and PR0.

Maybe people use PR as a rough estimate of trust in terms of looking for trades. I've been more swayed into the 'traffic is what counts' camp, regardless of PR.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Simon

If you use "_blank" you'll always get a new window.

Damn, do you know how many URL's I have to change from _new to _blank?