Getting started

[LatexTiger]

Hey there cats and kittens.

I'm sure this is one of the most common questions ever, but as you can tell, I'm a total noob and need to set a starting point somewhere, so here goes.

I'm breaking into the biz. The goal is a showgirl club of my own. Thought I'd start by setting a site in motion to help raise revenue and get my name into the industry etc. I want to do things right from the start and keep things as above board as I can.

Step one: do my homework. Yup, that's what's led me here.

Step two: ????

Need some advise from those in the know. I've been reading through the forum here and taking in what I can, but I need some concise answers to help me get things off the ground.

SO, how does one get going? My ideal path -> Start small with an (eventual) big presence online, move into a small club of my own, expand into something sensational and own the world. Easy, right? LOL

Anything you can tell me to help out would be great. If I've missed a major portion of this in another thread don't hesitate to tell me so. No need to clutter things up with duplicate info.

Thanks in advance for the help.

[SheepGuy]

"showgirl club" ?
Do you mean a paysite? strip joint?

[LatexTiger]

That'll do.

[SheepGuy]

In that case. Do this.

[Tekster]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

In that case. Do this.

Or This.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Tekster

Or This.

Or quit.

[ArtWilliams]

Times like these that I wish UW was around more.

[nate]

This thread reminds me of all the money I wasted in Mons Venus when I lived in Tampa. Best money I ever spent.

[InfoGuy]

I hear that there are some good entry level positions as a fluffer.

[LD]

Originally Posted by nate

This thread reminds me of all the money I wasted in Mons Venus when I lived in Tampa. Best money I ever spent.

There's a street in Dallas named Harry Hines Blvd...damn you can go through some serious cash there, and that's before you get to touch anything...The southern strippers are quite nice, though.

[HowlingWulf]

I don't think anyway here has experience opening a strip club. Sounds like you want to build a website for a showgirl club that doesn't exist yet. How does that work?

The goal of 'getting a showgirl club' is almost as vague as a goal of 'getting rich'. If you can narrow down a plan for us it would help. What this 'big presence' you want online?

[NY Jester]

If you're looking to open an actual strip club not a virtual one, you may want to do your homework at the local clerks office. Check zoning laws. Insurance costs. Liquor Laws. Liability. City/Town Ordinances.

[LeRoy]

Go around to the strip clubs and steal their strippers.

Call it "Tube Strip"

[LatexTiger]

Big dreams and all that. As I say, just now it's all in pre production and planning. Still working out the kinks and details. The term "showgirl club" is the fancy version of strip club. Same gig, a little more high class than the backwater taverns in my area. Eventually (long term) I'd like to have a place of my own. Want to raise money to get such a thing off the ground. Figured a good way to start earning that money, AND make a name for myself in the industry, would be with a website. It would be nice if said site stood out among the millions of others already established.

I'm quite serious about getting this all going, but have little idea of how to begin. I've been checking into local ordinances and "How to" links online. It's helpful. I'm keen to know from those that have been there before me as I feel that's where the real lessons are. Club will come someday, for now, let's focus on the strength in the room. Website.

[HowlingWulf]

So.... you want a website. Okay. That clears things up.

Try here

[pc]

I want Ferrari

[nate]

If you really want to run a strip club (which would probably be a pretty cool gig), be ready to deal with lots of sleazy attorneys, crooked politicians, idiot bureaucrats, mafioso goons, hookers, cocaine, heroine, meth, obsessive customers with handguns and bouncers that will kick your ass up one side of the street and down the other if you fuck with their paychecks. And taxes on everything.

Maybe instead of building porn sites, you should get a job at a strip club, work your way up to manager, then think about opening up your own.

[Tommy]

Cmon people.. somebody comes here asking for help and you guys just make jokes...

This is supposed to be a community

maybe check out Angel Fire
http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/

you can setup a website for free there
Green Guy started out there

[nate]

OK. Seriously.

First and foremost, don't screw over anyone in this business. Never ever cheat. Unless you are trustworthy, you won't last in the mainstream porn site business. All the link list owners and tgp owners know each other, and if you screw one, its as good as screwing them all. If you screw up and delete a page after its listed, and it tosses a 404 (not found), first fix it fast, then explain on the board what happened.

Maybe a free site is OK to learn to write html and maybe even some PHP, and to learn some design basics. But keep in mind most tpgs and link lists wont list you if you are on a free site. Real hosting is as cheap as $7 a month and will probably suit you for a few months because you wont get enough hits to go over 15 gig. Greenie has COLO banners, I suggest you go with that. I use cyberwurx because they have 3 minute support and I got a kick-ass deal on a server.

Pick a few good sponsors that give you free content, and sign up with them using the affiliate code of a list owner or someone that helps you out. Write a "front end" site, something simple with words for search engines and pictures for surfers. In a subdirectory, write "free-sites" and submit them to link list owners like greenie, smut gremlins, penisbot, wet place et al. Also write TGP galleries and submit them to small TGPs at first. When you have about 10 that are good and that represent your work, ask cleo, sheepguy, persian kitty and thumbnail post for a free trusted submitter's account. If you have money, sign up for a trusted account with tommy, world sex and/or ampland. I would but I cant spare the money right now. Always follow the rules, and dont ever screw these guys over. There's a reason they don't allow anonymous domain records, and thats because they will ban you and every domain you ever own.

Always double check your affiliate codes. If you dont sent hits to the exact right URL, you will get zero dollars for all you effort, even if every surfer you send buys something.

Design stuff:
Contrast: always make sure you have sufficient contrast between the background and text. There are two kinds of contrats. Value and color. Light Green on black is value contrats, and what green guy uses. Medium green on medium red is color contrast. The first works better, but black is sort of boring except when its used on Greenie's site.

White space: leave some or don't. Lots of Americans leave lots of white space (white space means empty space), but the most impressive sites I've seen, at least technically are japanese sites with almost no white space. Its probably cultural and has to do with living conditions in each country, but I have a fine arts degree, not a sociology degree, so take that with a grain of salt.

HTML. Use a WYSIWYG editor at first, and when it doesnt do what you want, go in and hand edit the html until you make it work. Google will be your best friend regarding that. I like front page but it's quirky. Most people like dreamweaver, but I dont like it so much. There are also lots of free wysiwyg editors. Just pick one and start.

PHP. As you may know, HTML is static, or as I like to say "dumb". A page of HTML code sits on the server and the server sends a copy when somebody requests it. PHP is different. PHP is like a recipe for a web page. When a surfer requests a php page, the php program looks at the page and processes any bits of PHP code in the page and then your web server (probably apache) sends it to the client. PHP has one distinct disadvantage for you right now, besides my guess that you don't know the language, and that is you cant see what it does until the PHP processor parses it. HTML, being "dumb" will look the same if its http://somedomain.com/file.html as it will if it's c:\myfiles\file.html. That means you usually have to upload a php file to the server to see what it does if it works at all. If it doesnt work, look for missing semicolons that have to be on almost all ends of lines of php code. You can get by that by installing apache and PHP on your workstation and testing code locally.

CSS. CSS is meant to abstract the content of a page from the appearance of a page. For the most part you can ignore it's existence at first. Like PHP, it does cool stuff, but it isnt as easy to deal with as plain old HTML in a wysiwyg editor.

After you get the hang of HTML and some php and css, front your sites with wordpress. It simplifies adding new content and rids you of dealing with code... Until something breaks or you want it to do something it wasnt made to do. Then you can use your mad html/php/css skills to make the sumbitch do what you want.

Be prepared to work from 9 am to 1 am and to initially see nothing in return for that effort.

OK, thats my serious help.

[plateman]

with the way it is with sales ratios and the time it takes learning the in and outs of this biz, and then the time it takes building free sites, and growing traffic and contacts for inside help, then you'll need to get into gallery submitting, blogs, LL, fake tgps and so on to build your empire to have a chance at making money in this biz, then for about 2 years you'll need to work 10 - 12 hour days

people who been doing this for years are getting part-time jobs cause they cant meet there bills anymore cause they give away so much free porn anymore

I think the days are over for people like you coming in fresh, with no contacts, money, skills ready to go in this day and age....and even then it's still not easy