How many TGPs do you submit to to make 1000 a week

[Brandon500]

Hello

I was curious if anybody knows how many tgps you would need to be submitting to or how long you would need to submit to make a $1000 a week?

would you need to just have partner accounts in the major TGPS such as tommy, PerisanKitty, krawl, shemp,and cleo and submit to the hun

or would you need to submit to 100 TGPs or as many as you can daily as well as use chameleon submitter?

I was looking for any answer besides it "depends on" or "it varies from sponsor to sponsor" kind of answer, I was looking for someone who could maybe tell me how to get on the track to making 500-1000 a week, I still have not made first sale and its been about a month and a half submitting to about 15-20 TGPs daily and i get around 1000-2000 uniques daily out of that only about 20 land on sponsor page and nobody buys yet all though I know I need to be patient I just really was looking for someone to tell me if Im on track or if I need to do some changing in order to start getting serious sales.

Thanks Brandon

[Fonz]

1000-2000 uniques isn't that much for TGP traffic and your click through ratio is pretty bad, you should egt about 5-10% of the surfers to click through to your sponsor.
Can you post a few example galleries?

[Ramster]

You're new? You can't make $1000 a week submitting galleries. That ship sailed about 3 years ago.

Okay, now for a possible answer. Only possible way to make $1000 a week submitting galleries:

-you need an auto submitter like Advanced Submitter or Chameleon
-you need to buy partner accounts at a lot of TGPs, likely 10-20 accounts min
-you need to submit 3 galleries a day. Yes 3 galleries a day!!
-some galleries need to be movies, gives you a different flow of traffic

After some time you're gallery traffic should build up to the point that you are making sales daily. Change sponsors for the ones that do not convert well, mix things up. Using an auto submitter will get you submitting to 100 TGPs so more traffic help there.

Now back to my original statement of you cannot make $1000 a week anymore. My galleries get about 50,000 hits a day and I make no where near $1000/week from them so I'm guessing you'd need to get up to 100,000 hits daily. Just a guess though and you're at 1000-200 hits now? Long way to go.

2010 porn is WAY different than 1999, 2004 or 2006/2007 even.

[HowlingWulf]

The number of TGPs you submit to it only one of the factors in making sales, don't think it's the only thing.

Yes most of the traffic is held by the big tgps like those you mentioned and most of those are paid submission accounts. I have 8 paid accounts which supplies most traffic, the rest are free. Without paid accounts, I believe you are wasting your time in TGP. For this reason many webmasters say 'TGP is dead' but it's because they don't get access to most of the traffic sites.

I get about 165k TGP traffic daily, and make more than $1k/week. I submit 2-4 galleries every day in about 2-3 hours, and have been doing it a long time.

[JustRobert]

Everything Ramster said

I was looking for any answer besides it "depends on" or "it varies from sponsor to sponsor" kind of answer

But this statement is so very true. Just because one webmaster, or even a hundred of them, can sell a certain sponsor/niche does not mean everyone can. Just because you buy all the best PA's does not guarantee sales, there are far to many variables out there. Finding what you like and how to sell it can take a lot of time and lots of sponsor changes to find what works for you.

If you need to make money now, get a job.
If you do not have the money and time to start/build a business from scratch, get a job.

There is nothing wrong with working this part time until sales work out the way you want, I did that back when sales were easy.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

Yes most of the traffic is held by the big tgps like those you mentioned and most of those are paid submission accounts. I have 8 paid accounts which supplies most traffic, the rest are free. Without paid accounts, I believe you are wasting your time in TGP. For this reason many webmasters say 'TGP is dead' but it's because they don't get access to most of the traffic sites.

I get about 165k TGP traffic daily, and make more than $1k/week. I submit 2-4 galleries every day in about 2-3 hours, and have been doing it a long time.

Exactly what I predicted. You need around 100,000 hits daily or more as a base in traffic, you need to submit roughly 3 galleries a day and you need to buy partner accounts.

Thanks for your info HowlingWulf

[Bill]

Bottom line is, sorry dude, it's hard as fuck anymore, like ram says, mostly them days are past.

and they are getting paster. tgp traffic quality ain't going up.

Your chances of emulating HW's stats are well below 10%. Straight out of the newbie box, probly less than 3%.

And one notes that HW isn't being too specific about net and gross.

and, hard as it may be to believe, all we webmasters tend to have a rosy picture on our minds of how much we are making. You know how you like to tell folks the best possible interpretation of how much you were making in some past gig, and you say it so much you come to believe it yourself. It's like that.

Like, i've been known to say back in 2003 I was making 10k a month. Truth is there were a couple months when I made 11-12k, but with seasonal variation the real average was closer to 6500, for that one year. Thats gross, not net. Was still nice money. And I can still say I was making 10k a month.

Its the nature of the human mind.

[mark6188]

It's my nature to be very conservative. For me, it would be jumping the gun to think about how to make $1k/week. I'm more comfortable with "How can I make an extra few hundred dollars?".

Once I do that, I try to build on what works. Right now that's about all I'm making. But I can do it consistently without burning out.

Simply following a numbers game would drive me mad. 100k/hits per day? Simply copying what someone else is doing rarely worked out for me either. Like Bill says, "...emulating HW's stats are well below 10%..."

I made $100 this month without submitting a single gallery ( a blog promoting fling), and another $100 submitting only about 6 or 7 galleries for virtuagirl. I've gotten feedback from other much more experienced webmasters who've never been able to convert those sponsors at all.

My point is you need to figure out what you can sell. For whatever reason, I can sell the above sponsors better than most (at least at this level). I'm trying to build on that success a little at a time.

I try not to look at this as a numbers game - xxxx number of submits, xxxx number of hits, xxxx number of sales. Although I do analyze those numbers, my purpose is to discover what is working and build on it.

People post their stats all the time, including HW and greenguyandjim. I can't build on that. Sure, it helps me set my expectations, but I've never been able to make a single sale from just knowing what they did.

I always think about how the apple ipod took over the mp3 player market. I mean, there were plenty of players out there already and doing very well. Then you have the chinese who just simply blasted out millions of cheap mp3 players - kinda like us tgp submitters.

In the end, apple did something right. I mean $300 for an mp3 player when you could buy one for $50? Somehow they built on that success and came out with the iphone. At launch - $500 for an iphone when you could get a motorola for $99? Who knew?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Bill

Like, i've been known to say back in 2003 I was making 10k a month. Truth is there were a couple months when I made 11-12k, but with seasonal variation the real average was closer to 6500, for that one year. Thats gross, not net. Was still nice money. And I can still say I was making 10k a month.

Its the nature of the human mind.

You know, I was thinking bout that, and I realized I had my years mixed up, in 2003 my gross was 136k, so it was avergaing over 10k a month. My expenses were way higher then, but that was a heck of a year. Paid off the house and a bunch of old tax debt.

anyway, I recalled my tax returns for that year and realized I had mixed things up. by 2004 revenue started falling for me.

Either that, or I'm lying to myself in my own mind, which is always possible.

anyway, it aint like that now. well maybe for some, not for me.

[Brandon500]

Originally Posted by Bill

Bottom line is, sorry dude, it's hard as fuck anymore, like ram says, mostly them days are past.

and they are getting paster. tgp traffic quality ain't going up.

Do you guys know what the next best thing would be to get in to online?

because I just heard of this through adult webmasters school but I realize now they are kind of selling a dream and to make a sustainable income I think I might need to take another route because submitting like crazy for 100-200 bucks a month is tough to see myself doing for long periods of time.

[Brandon500]

Originally Posted by Fonz

1000-2000 uniques isn't that much for TGP traffic and your click through ratio is pretty bad, you should egt about 5-10% of the surfers to click through to your sponsor.
Can you post a few example galleries?

yes, for sure here are some of the latests galleries



http://www.darkbrowhiteho.com/groups...thesitter7.htm

http://darkbrowhiteho.com/gay7/gloryholeshandjobs6.htm

http://www.darkbrowhiteho.com/gay9/g...shandjobs6.htm

http://darkbrowhiteho.com/groupsex3/daredorm7.htm


Thanks

Brandon

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by Brandon500

because I just heard of this through adult webmasters school but I realize now they are kind of selling a dream and to make a sustainable income I think I might need to take another route because submitting like crazy for 100-200 bucks a month is tough to see myself doing for long periods of time.

Brandon

When I started online in 2000-2001 it took me 2 years to go full time. I spent hours a day for little in return!!!! What happens over time is with so many galleries, free sites and blogs online your traffic slowly grows from search engines and other sources and you see a gradual growth in income.

Originally Posted by Brandon500

Do you guys know what the next best thing would be to get in to online?

If we knew that we wouldn't tell anyone, including friends. If you find it, the next big thing, then you have a fighting chance. Otherwise if your plan to is make galleries or blogs and do what 1000's of other webmasters are already doing then yes it is going to take you a long time to build up your income. That's the way it is.

[terry]

A lot of good points here. I personally dont use any paid accounts because I have yet to find one that will actually produce a profit. No use spending 50 bucks a month on an account that will only bring in 1 sale of 30 pps IF im lucky. I have never had any luck with paid accounts - so I stopped wasting money on them and moved on to doing whatever works for me.

If you want to make $1000 a week then you will need to do a lot of stuff before you find what works for you. This is not something you will find overnight - there is a ton of trial and error. There is also no guarantee that you will even make 500 a week let alone 1000. By the time you think you've found what works for you, the market has changed and you have to start all over again.

Its been said before, but you really just have to keep going. My motto is Build, Submit and Move on. Build your galleries, submit them anywhere and everywhere you can then move on to the next gallery. A very basic rince and repeat method.

Looking at your galleries, I wouldnt use those massive graphic headers. For me, less is better. My basic gallery templates (same ones i used 10 years ago) are converting best for me. Bigger thumbnails also work better for me.

The bottom line is, there are too many factors, especially for a newbie, to simply say do this and you'll make $1000 a week - right now you'll be lucky to make that your first year. Just take your time. Put in a few hours of submitting a day, every single day and in a few months you should start seeing something - assuming you are promoting a site that converts for your traffic!! Then you hope they dont close their doors before they pay you.

Good luck man.

[HowlingWulf]

Originally Posted by Brandon500

yes, for sure here are some of the latests galleries



http://www.darkbrowhiteho.com/groups...thesitter7.htm

http://darkbrowhiteho.com/gay7/gloryholeshandjobs6.htm

http://www.darkbrowhiteho.com/gay9/g...shandjobs6.htm

http://darkbrowhiteho.com/groupsex3/daredorm7.htm


Thanks

Brandon

I would use text instead of graphic 'CLICK HERE' buttons. Also you need 2257 legal info at the bottom of each gallery.

[secretagentwilly]

A related question I'd like to ask if anyone can answer is if those of you that are making good money feel like you're making more than minimum wage? Sometimes I build and submit and build and submit and get a few sales and think to myself, fuck, I could have spent that time with my wife and dogs...I know it's a gradual build up over time, but man it's can be discouraging when you're looking at the long end of the barrel...I also understand, it's like guitar...when you play everyday, you're notes are clean and you sound real good...where with submitting, if you do it everyday for a month it gets easier as opposed to doing one submission a week...any thoughts on the hourly wage? I know I'm below minimum wage...

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by secretagentwilly

A related question I'd like to ask if anyone can answer is if those of you that are making good money feel like you're making more than minimum wage? Sometimes I build and submit and build and submit and get a few sales and think to myself, fuck, I could have spent that time with my wife and dogs...I know it's a gradual build up over time, but man it's can be discouraging when you're looking at the long end of the barrel...I also understand, it's like guitar...when you play everyday, you're notes are clean and you sound real good...where with submitting, if you do it everyday for a month it gets easier as opposed to doing one submission a week...any thoughts on the hourly wage? I know I'm below minimum wage...

Depends how long you've been at it. Again, starting out and you will be under minimum wage, we all were to start. i was. But after a few years I could take a month off and still make $500+ a day while I was off. I had hubs/sites with consistent traffic and income.

I will say this... ANYONE getting in today and making free sites and galleries only will not make any good money in the long term unless you become a pro at it. And by pro I mean buy partner accounts and submit 2-3 galleries every day 7 days a week along with free site building.

"Beer money" days are gone. That was 5+ years ago where you could work a few hours a week and make a few hundred to 1000 a month doing so. Those days are gone!

[HowlingWulf]

Conservative estimate is about $40-$50 an hour submitting tgp galleries, but it's built up over time I'm sure, and there's a limit how many you can submit in a day (diminishing returns). My limit is about 4.

[LD]

When the subject of money comes up, I have to wonder...there are people in this business making damn good money, I know. How do you get there? Make your own content? Start or buy a paysite?

I understand it's not get rich quick, or even get rich for that matter. But is building and submitting galleries and freesites the best path to take to get to a decent income?

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by LD

I understand it's not get rich quick, or even get rich for that matter. But is building and submitting galleries and freesites the best path to take to get to a decent income?

In 2010? Not really no. I stand by my original statement of that ship sailed. Remember a newbie doesn't know he/she's doing neither which makes it harder. 5-10 years ago you can make an ugly galleries for any paysite out there and it would sell, lol. A veteran webmaster does have some advantages when it comes to gallery submitting.

Today? Diversify! Submitting free sites and galleries is a good way to add extra money to your income.

[LD]

Originally Posted by Ramster

In 2010? Not really no. I stand by my original statement of that ship sailed. Remember a newbie doesn't know he/she's doing neither which makes it harder. 5-10 years ago you can make an ugly galleries for any paysite out there and it would sell, lol. A veteran webmaster does have some advantages when it comes to gallery submitting.

Today? Diversify! Submitting free sites and galleries is a good way to add extra money to your income.

So, if one were going to diversify, there's....? And then there's...?

Seriously, I have no idea. I've got a decent day job, a laptop, Dreamweaver, a love for the biz, and some good sponsors. I've considered buying a site that is profitable, but I know I'll get fucked.

I know there's another level out there, but I just can't seem to get a good focus on where it's at.

[JustRobert]

Good or decent income is only relevant to the standard of living you are accustomed to, so thats always a hard question to answer.

I think for most, build/submit is still a viable way to earn money and generate traffic. I completely believe that freesites should be part of that equation but most people do not understand the benefit of them, so they stopped or quit (my favorite)

With that being said, most need to do more than just that. There are other things already out there that one can dabble in or create something completely out of the box. Look what blogs did to search results only to be followed by tubes. You just never know what the SE's will favor next.

5-10 years ago you can make an ugly galleries for any paysite out there and it would sell, lol.

Thankfully I started in those days

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by LD

So, if one were going to diversify, there's....? And then there's...?

Doing galleries and free sites. Doing blogs and building a blog network. Creating a TGP/MGP and a legal tube. AVS is still alive I believe.

Buying a site is not a bad idea but not a great idea right now in this economy. Even paysites are losing member base faster than they care to admit.

[the New Shemp]

Originally Posted by terry

A lot of good points here. I personally dont use any paid accounts because I have yet to find one that will actually produce a profit. No use spending 50 bucks a month on an account that will only bring in 1 sale of 30 pps IF im lucky. I have never had any luck with paid accounts - so I stopped wasting money on them and moved on to doing whatever works for me.

If you want to make $1000 a week then you will need to do a lot of stuff before you find what works for you. This is not something you will find overnight - there is a ton of trial and error. There is also no guarantee that you will even make 500 a week let alone 1000. By the time you think you've found what works for you, the market has changed and you have to start all over again.

Its been said before, but you really just have to keep going. My motto is Build, Submit and Move on. Build your galleries, submit them anywhere and everywhere you can then move on to the next gallery. A very basic rince and repeat method.

Looking at your galleries, I wouldnt use those massive graphic headers. For me, less is better. My basic gallery templates (same ones i used 10 years ago) are converting best for me. Bigger thumbnails also work better for me.

The bottom line is, there are too many factors, especially for a newbie, to simply say do this and you'll make $1000 a week - right now you'll be lucky to make that your first year. Just take your time. Put in a few hours of submitting a day, every single day and in a few months you should start seeing something - assuming you are promoting a site that converts for your traffic!! Then you hope they dont close their doors before they pay you.

Good luck man.

i dont think that you ever submitted to me...40 bucks a month and you can submit 60 galleries (2 per day)...we have a pretty good renew rate each month...

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by the New Shemp

i dont think that you ever submitted to me...40 bucks a month and you can submit 60 galleries (2 per day)...we have a pretty good renew rate each month...

Yup, I'm one who has had a pass for years.

[the New Shemp]

Originally Posted by RedCherry

Yup, I'm one who has had a pass for years.

thanks for mentioning that