Managing recip tables - can it be done automatically?

[SecretEden]

Hi,

Im making freesites at the moment and when im submitting them, im changing round the recips so that each one has the right LL mentioned. The thing is, im doing this rather painstakingly by hand. Is there any tool out there that can help me automate this? Preferably freeware, though Im not completely objecting to paying - its just im still yet to make a sale and i want to keep my outgoings as low as possible for now.

Any help greatfully appreciated!

SecretEden

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by SecretEden

Hi,

Im making freesites at the moment and when im submitting them, im changing round the recips so that each one has the right LL mentioned. The thing is, im doing this rather painstakingly by hand. Is there any tool out there that can help me automate this? Preferably freeware, though Im not completely objecting to paying - its just im still yet to make a sale and i want to keep my outgoings as low as possible for now.

Any help greatfully appreciated!

SecretEden

You can do it with SSI:

<!--#include file="/somefolder/somefile.shtml" -->

where on somefile.shtml the recip table is located.

But be careful, I think most linklists don´t allow SSI.

If I´m right we discussed this on the board. Do a little research and maybe you´ll find replies.

[SecretEden]

ok, ill have a search around, thanks for the reply

[JoeBlack]

Originally Posted by frankthetank

You can do it with SSI:

<!--#include file="/somefolder/somefile.shtml" -->

where on somefile.shtml the recip table is located.

But be careful, I think most linklists don´t allow SSI.

If I´m right we discussed this on the board. Do a little research and maybe you´ll find replies.

For one how would they know? and For two what would be wrong with using SSI for your recip tables as long as you dont get them mixed up.

[SecretEden]

ive spent the last hour searching the boards pretty much in vain (and not just this board!). Typing in recip, link, table, management, auto or anything comes up with like 1 gajillion results

Can you recommend anything specifically? Any software names or anything? Thanks & sorry for beign a pain.

[Viper]

You could use SSI as stated or PHP includes.. but you would need ot "hide" the fact that your pages are SSI or PHP pages as no LL/TGP will accept "dynamic" pages and they'll probably ban you if they find out.

I was going to go that route but right now all I do is prepare files with the groups of recips for the appropriate niches. Then when I make the mirrors I just cut and paste.. takes time to prepare all the files but cutting and pasting doesn't take that long.

eg:
harcore-1.html
harcore-2.html
harcore-3.html
lesbian-1.html
lesbian-2.html
lesbian-3.html

I try and make sure each "number" contains recips to the exact same LLs. So if I had the LOR recip in #2 and needed to change it, I would just edit all the -2 files. I use a spreadsheet to keep track of which # contains which recips.

[MrYum]

I'm not aware of any lists having specific rules about using ssi or php includes. That is providing of course your server is fast enough to 'include' those includes seemlessly. And that your server is properly configured to parse the pages to .html instead of .php or .shtml.

You're right in that link lists don't like dynamic pages for a variety of reasons. However, if your server is fast enough and correctly configured...there's no way a reviewer would even know you're using includes.

When doing free sites, I have a series of .txt files. I submit to 48 link sites...16 recips per page...so three recip tables per niche. Similar to Viper, I simply name those .txt files as needed, ie..

amateur.txt
amateur2.txt
amateur3.txt

Then insert the include into the index page html...

<!--#include virtual="/ssifolder/niche.txt" -->

Once the intitial harvesting of recips and layout of the tables is done (tedious, but necessary), the above method works quite well

I'm not aware of, nor would I endorse any software that somehow harvests and/or creates recip tables automatically. But then, as a reviewer I've seen some damn ugly recip tables so my opinion is probably biased in that respect

[juggernaut]

I have been using free site wizard at http://wizardsoftware.biz/
It's not free it's like $30 bucks but does help keep things in order. I would recommend if you do buy it that you build your own DB with it. They have alot of the LL recips from many of the LL owners you find here, but the recips they use are wrong, out of date or just a general recip. If you take the time to work with the software and build your own it can cut down the recip process to the point were all you really have to do is built the site, point the software at and index with some small code in it and it will generate the recips and the pages for you. You can then use it to submit the pages. Now let me say first off its not an auto submitter. All it will do is take you to the LL submit page and fill in some of the info. Picking the cat and sometimes entering in a title or description of the site is what you will need to do on some sites. But its better then doing it the full manual way. I was doing that and it would take me all day to built and submit to 15 to 20 LL. Keeping track was a bitch. Hope this helps.

[SecretEden]

Right there are a few interesting things here I really need to look into further. Ive never used SSI before, but it looks like it can do the job well, but needs a bit of setting up. This business has become a total mine field in terms of things to remember and do per page, let alone per site!

Im looking at that wizard software, and whilst it looks good - from what i can see - I wouldnt mind using a demo before I buy the product. Im really trying to keep my outgoings low at the moment - I have a load of things I need to purchase, hosting being the biggest one currently, but I need to keep my outgoings down as I also need to find another £2000 for my house deposit!

Out of interest, how long is it taking you guys to make a freesite (entrance, index, 2 galleries?) I have spent about 14 hours on just one today, although it is my first and im still not totally there with it. Well, in fact im miles off but i keep getting distracted which doesnt help. I figured if I can get it to take 2-3 hours a day, including SEO, submitting and recips im well on my way. I just feel massively overwhelmed at the moment

[Viper]

Originally Posted by SecretEden

Out of interest, how long is it taking you guys to make a freesite (entrance, index, 2 galleries?) I have spent about 14 hours on just one today, although it is my first and im still not totally there with it. Well, in fact im miles off but i keep getting distracted which doesnt help. I figured if I can get it to take 2-3 hours a day, including SEO, submitting and recips im well on my way. I just feel massively overwhelmed at the moment

I've only recently started trying out the free site game, I've been TGP up until now. It's taking me about a day to design up a new "template" right now... maybe less.. I tend to fiddle with things and the ones I've been doing have required a bunch of image prep besides the actual content images. The first one took a lot longer. But once the template is done, it doesn't take much time to create a new free site with different content. My goal is to get enough templates built that I'm submitting the same ones only once every week or 2...

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Viper

I've only recently started trying out the free site game, I've been TGP up until now. It's taking me about a day to design up a new "template" right now... maybe less.. I tend to fiddle with things and the ones I've been doing have required a bunch of image prep besides the actual content images. The first one took a lot longer. But once the template is done, it doesn't take much time to create a new free site with different content. My goal is to get enough templates built that I'm submitting the same ones only once every week or 2...

Be careful with the templates...some reviewers are pretty sensitive about seeing the same templates used more than every couple weeks to a month.

GG recommends building 30 templates so they only get used once a month

[Viper]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Be careful with the templates...some reviewers are pretty sensitive about seeing the same templates used more than every couple weeks to a month.

GG recommends building 30 templates so they only get used once a month

Yeah well that ain't going to happen... I'm in this primarily for the links. I make (at the very least) decent sites, I try and use content that may not be overexposed, I try and pick niches that maybe aren't promoted as much, I'm trying to use underexposed programs and I'm skilled at SEO. If they don't want my sites because I use the same "template" once a week or 2 then that's not really my problem as I see it. I've still got a site listed on PK, RR and a couple other sites from 4+ years ago so I'm not exactly a cheater, newbie or a flake.

Frankly, after reading all the rules and stuff on all these links lists (I haven't done submissions of any sort in 4 years), I'm going to have to go and change my TGP submission rules to be easier for newbies.. I never realized how much us WMs running TGPs/LLs sound like major assholes with all our rules and "I'll ban you for this.. I'll ban you for that" talk... Damn... We've all gotten so freakin cynical dealing with cheaters and stupid submitters all the time that we've ended up turning into the enemy. No wonder we just get slammed with auto-submitted crap in the hope we'll take something. Instead of bitching and moaning about everything I'm just going to use technology to prescreen things a lot more.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by SecretEden

Im looking at that wizard software, and whilst it looks good - from what i can see - I wouldnt mind using a demo before I buy the product.

Actualy I use Adavanced Submitter to manage recip tables for TGPs and LLs. I just create a seperate "niche" database for each category and store the recips there. I then run a little batch program to move/rename the pages.

They have a unlimited trial version that you can use until you are ready to buy.