Dedicated IP for a free site?

On-Rails · 2004-08-26, 07:20 PM

Hi

I was just wondering what everybody's thoughts were on this.

I think its better to have a dedicated IP for search engines but I don't know if this is a myth or fact. Can you guys shed some light on the pros and cons of having a dedicated Ip for every free site you submit ?

I guess the other question I have is, is it worth using all the Ips on a dedicated server which I think you can have about 160 to 180. The reason why I bring this up is from everything I'm reading in the newsletter archives here is try to submit a new site every day. Okay so in 6 months you're at 160 sites and IP's. High hopes I know...LOL but it is worth investigating.

So much to learn so little time.

Thx

Surfn · 2004-08-26, 07:26 PM

I only use dedicated servers for my sites.

bret · 2004-08-26, 07:40 PM

using a unique ip for a free site is a TOTAL and complete waste of resources. the amount of SE traffic you will get from a typical free site does not even warrant a unique domain, although some may argue that point.

and surfin, way not to answer his question... he wasnt asking about dedicated servers, infact a dedicated server has nothing to do with his question at all.

even if every network was running solely on IPv6 i still do not see a reason to use a unique ip for a freesite, it just too much of a wasted resource.

one ip per domain, that might be justifiable, but i dont think it is completely necessary.

DangerDave · 2004-08-26, 08:02 PM

As bret said..

NOT required for each free site, but possibly justifiable for each domain.

That said.... the jury is till out on whether separate IPs make a difference at all, though many webmasters myself included, use an separate IP for each domain.

Though again that is not "written in stone" and name based domains are sufficient for some projects

DD

Surfn · 2004-08-26, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bret
using a unique ip for a free site is a TOTAL and complete waste of resources. the amount of SE traffic you will get from a typical free site does not even warrant a unique domain, although some may argue that point.

and surfin, way not to answer his question... he wasnt asking about dedicated servers, infact a dedicated server has nothing to do with his question at all.

even if every network was running solely on IPv6 i still do not see a reason to use a unique ip for a freesite, it just too much of a wasted resource.

one ip per domain, that might be justifiable, but i dont think it is completely necessary.

Just a little info for you bret, my sites are NOT limited to free sites for LL's. I have traffic pumps and all manner of things on them.

Apparently we read English differently because he asked about dedicated servers for SE placement. True my answer was brief, but at least it was honest.

I could be like some who visit here to dispense bullshit but that isn't my way.

To sum up; no you do not need a dedicated server each site with unique ID for better SE placement.

Cleo · 2004-08-26, 08:34 PM

I've seen no value at all from separate IPs and don't even bug my host for more anymore.

I will add the caveat that doing SE stuff is a bit of voodoo so under some circumstances anything is possible.

bret · 2004-08-26, 08:42 PM

i guess we do "read English differently" because the only thing he said about dedicated servers was that they only hold 160 or 180 ips (??????) i have no idea who told him that.

let clear a few more things up.

a) a dedicated server has nothing to do with unique ips, other then you can't have a dedicated server without having at least 1 unique ip.

b) a dedicated server can have 1 or virtually limitless ips assigned to it.

c) a shared server can have 1 or virtually limitless ips assigned to it.

d) the ips on a shared server can be exclusive or shared, not only on a per user, but a per domain and even sub-domain basis.

e) a search engine has NO way of telling if a domain is hosted on a dedicated server.

and when did i say anything about you only running free sites. all i said was that his question has nothing to do with dedicated servers. so while your information may be truthful, it is pretty much worthless.

Surfn · 2004-08-26, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bret
i guess we do "read English differently" because the only thing he said about dedicated servers was that they only hold 160 or 180 ips (??????) i have no idea who told him that.

let clear a few more things up.

a) a dedicated server has nothing to do with unique ips, other then you can't have a dedicated server without having at least 1 unique ip.

b) a dedicated server can have 1 or virtually limitless ips assigned to it.

c) a shared server can have 1 or virtually limitless ips assigned to it.

d) the ips on a shared server can be exclusive or shared, not only on a per user, but a per domain basis.

e) a search engine has NO way of telling if a domain is hosted on a dedicated server.

and when did i say anything about you only running free sites. all i said was that his question has nothing to do with dedicated servers. so while your information may be truthful, it is pretty much useless.

"Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."

bret · 2004-08-26, 08:51 PM

i can't exactly argue with the knowledge one takes from through the looking glass now can i?

On-Rails · 2004-08-26, 09:08 PM

Hey Guy's and Gals

Surfin: I do thank you for your contribution but I was concerend with Ips and not dedicated servers. I will try to be more clear next time.

Brett: Yes your correct when you say there is one unique IP per server. I was meaning that you could stuff about 160 to 180 IPs, so the same number of domains on one machine. These would be sub domains I guess and I was told this by a friend who is on peir 1 networks that it would be about the max you would want to put on a server. I do understand it would be a waste of resources if there is no benift for search engine placement.

Surfin Brett,Cleo and DD: If this is the case then how many free sites can or should you use under one Domain and IP?

I assume you run the next free site like this:
(Domainname/freesitename) Then
(Domainname/freesitename2)
and so-on or?

Thx

On-Rails · 2004-08-26, 09:14 PM

OOP'S

Got bumped to search engines sorry guys. I will try to post in the right forum next time.

bret · 2004-08-26, 09:29 PM

On-Rails:

I fully understand the limits of a web server (and the number of ips you can assign to one).

Technically you do not even need a unique ip for a domain.

IE
abc.com can resolve to 1.2.3.4
xyz.com can resolve to 1.2.3.4
lmnop.abc.com can resolve to 1.2.3.4

all three websites hosted on those unique three domains (subdomains) would be hosted on the same server.

as far as putting a subdomain on a unique ip, the only reason i would do that is if the subdomain was not going to be hosted on the same server as the domain.

IE

abc.com resolves to 1.2.3.4
lmnop.abc.com resolves to 1.2.3.5

and 1.2.3.4 and 1.2.3.5 were seperate machines.

if 1.2.3.4 and 1.2.3.5 were assigned to the same machine there is no reason to assign them seperate ips.

if you are talking about just a free site, i wouldn't worry about how many you put on a single domain or ip as long as the domains make sense.

i wouldnt have a subdomain called
twinks.NoGayContent.com

although the search engines would probably like it (having the words twink and gay in your domain name), it does not make logical sense.

either way

freesite1.domain.com
freesite2.domain.com
.
.
freesiteN.domain.com

or

domain.com/freesite1/
domain.com/freesite2/
.
.
.
domain.com/freesiteN/

should be perfectly accecptable to link list operators and search engines alike. it is more just personal preference.

i would recommend domain.com/freesite1/ for the sake of network simplicity.

Linkster · 2004-08-26, 09:51 PM

Just to clarify one thing - I wouldnt suggest using the freesiteN.domain.com - instead use the other example
domain.com/freesite1/

Some of the larger LLs won't accept the first example any more due to it being used way too much by certain groups of spammers.

DangerDave · 2004-08-26, 10:10 PM

What Linkster said...!!

No frickin subdomains... they are a waste of time and will only cause you problems...

I would also put $100.00 on a coming punishment/downgrading by SE's for the use of them.....

DD

On-Rails · 2004-08-27, 12:52 AM

Thanks for the info everyone.

This will save alot of money buying domains for free sites and alot less hassle with my host setting up IP's.

2004-08-26, 07:20 PM	#1
On-Rails Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Western Canada Posts: 127	Dedicated IP for a free site? Hi I was just wondering what everybody's thoughts were on this. I think its better to have a dedicated IP for search engines but I don't know if this is a myth or fact. Can you guys shed some light on the pros and cons of having a dedicated Ip for every free site you submit ? I guess the other question I have is, is it worth using all the Ips on a dedicated server which I think you can have about 160 to 180. The reason why I bring this up is from everything I'm reading in the newsletter archives here is try to submit a new site every day. Okay so in 6 months you're at 160 sites and IP's. High hopes I know...LOL but it is worth investigating. So much to learn so little time. Thx

2004-08-26, 07:26 PM	#2
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I only use dedicated servers for my sites. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2004-08-26, 08:02 PM	#4
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	As bret said.. NOT required for each free site, but possibly justifiable for each domain. That said.... the jury is till out on whether separate IPs make a difference at all, though many webmasters myself included, use an separate IP for each domain. Though again that is not "written in stone" and name based domains are sufficient for some projects DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2004-08-26, 08:34 PM	#6
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I've seen no value at all from separate IPs and don't even bug my host for more anymore. I will add the caveat that doing SE stuff is a bit of voodoo so under some circumstances anything is possible. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-08-26, 09:51 PM	#13
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Just to clarify one thing - I wouldnt suggest using the freesiteN.domain.com - instead use the other example domain.com/freesite1/ Some of the larger LLs won't accept the first example any more due to it being used way too much by certain groups of spammers. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2004-08-26, 07:40 PM	#3
bret Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 110	using a unique ip for a free site is a TOTAL and complete waste of resources. the amount of SE traffic you will get from a typical free site does not even warrant a unique domain, although some may argue that point. and surfin, way not to answer his question... he wasnt asking about dedicated servers, infact a dedicated server has nothing to do with his question at all. even if every network was running solely on IPv6 i still do not see a reason to use a unique ip for a freesite, it just too much of a wasted resource. one ip per domain, that might be justifiable, but i dont think it is completely necessary.

2004-08-26, 08:42 PM	#7
bret Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 110	i guess we do "read English differently" because the only thing he said about dedicated servers was that they only hold 160 or 180 ips (??????) i have no idea who told him that. let clear a few more things up. a) a dedicated server has nothing to do with unique ips, other then you can't have a dedicated server without having at least 1 unique ip. b) a dedicated server can have 1 or virtually limitless ips assigned to it. c) a shared server can have 1 or virtually limitless ips assigned to it. d) the ips on a shared server can be exclusive or shared, not only on a per user, but a per domain and even sub-domain basis. e) a search engine has NO way of telling if a domain is hosted on a dedicated server. and when did i say anything about you only running free sites. all i said was that his question has nothing to do with dedicated servers. so while your information may be truthful, it is pretty much worthless.

2004-08-26, 08:51 PM	#9
bret Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 110	i can't exactly argue with the knowledge one takes from through the looking glass now can i?

2004-08-26, 09:08 PM	#10
On-Rails Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Western Canada Posts: 127	Hey Guy's and Gals Surfin: I do thank you for your contribution but I was concerend with Ips and not dedicated servers. I will try to be more clear next time. Brett: Yes your correct when you say there is one unique IP per server. I was meaning that you could stuff about 160 to 180 IPs, so the same number of domains on one machine. These would be sub domains I guess and I was told this by a friend who is on peir 1 networks that it would be about the max you would want to put on a server. I do understand it would be a waste of resources if there is no benift for search engine placement. Surfin Brett,Cleo and DD: If this is the case then how many free sites can or should you use under one Domain and IP? I assume you run the next free site like this: (Domainname/freesitename) Then (Domainname/freesitename2) and so-on or? Thx

2004-08-26, 09:14 PM	#11
On-Rails Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Western Canada Posts: 127	OOP'S Got bumped to search engines sorry guys. I will try to post in the right forum next time.

2004-08-26, 09:29 PM	#12
bret Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 110	On-Rails: I fully understand the limits of a web server (and the number of ips you can assign to one). Technically you do not even need a unique ip for a domain. IE abc.com can resolve to 1.2.3.4 xyz.com can resolve to 1.2.3.4 lmnop.abc.com can resolve to 1.2.3.4 all three websites hosted on those unique three domains (subdomains) would be hosted on the same server. as far as putting a subdomain on a unique ip, the only reason i would do that is if the subdomain was not going to be hosted on the same server as the domain. IE abc.com resolves to 1.2.3.4 lmnop.abc.com resolves to 1.2.3.5 and 1.2.3.4 and 1.2.3.5 were seperate machines. if 1.2.3.4 and 1.2.3.5 were assigned to the same machine there is no reason to assign them seperate ips. if you are talking about just a free site, i wouldn't worry about how many you put on a single domain or ip as long as the domains make sense. i wouldnt have a subdomain called twinks.NoGayContent.com although the search engines would probably like it (having the words twink and gay in your domain name), it does not make logical sense. either way freesite1.domain.com freesite2.domain.com . . freesiteN.domain.com or domain.com/freesite1/ domain.com/freesite2/ . . . domain.com/freesiteN/ should be perfectly accecptable to link list operators and search engines alike. it is more just personal preference. i would recommend domain.com/freesite1/ for the sake of network simplicity.

2004-08-26, 10:10 PM	#14
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	What Linkster said...!! No frickin subdomains... they are a waste of time and will only cause you problems... I would also put $100.00 on a coming punishment/downgrading by SE's for the use of them..... DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2004-08-27, 12:52 AM	#15
On-Rails Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Western Canada Posts: 127	Thanks for the info everyone. This will save alot of money buying domains for free sites and alot less hassle with my host setting up IP's.