Wtf!!!!!

[SmithsMedia]

OK so Im a honest guy trying to make a living and I get bum rejections like this:

1) - I'm sorry but I've decided not to list your site for the following reason(s):

- This site has the exact same layout/graphics as the other you submitted last week. I realize you have different photo galleries on this one but it's just to similar.

Part 1
http://www.escortlookup.co.uk/realpunting/index.htm

Part2
http://www.smithslookup.co.uk/realpunting/index.htm

This is correct but I never use templates nor auto submit tools I just make each site by hand. GIVE ME A BREAK

2) - I'm sorry but I've decided not to list your site for the following reason(s):

- Misleading links
- Only 3 outgoing sponsor links per page allowed

?????????

http://www.smithslookup.co.uk/inbedw...aith/index.htm

I carry a Link back to me and 2557 disclaimer as I was ADVISED to do by other LL owners.

I have a banner which runs across the header, christ you have to be fucking stupid not to spot the gallery links on my sites I too clear if anything.

I dont want to name the LL as at the end of the day its their site, but sometimes I get really pissed off that when I try to save a little time and use up the content I bought to get kicked in the guts!


so if anyone here has seen my sites and will give me the time of day let me know, surely its give and take on both sides :-)

One very upset WM

[SmithsMedia]

Hi Paul,

Sorry I wasn't clear. On the index page (at the very top), you have two buttons that are blind links.

One says "Videos Section" and when clicked on goes to a sponsor that I couldn't find any free video clips on.

"More Pictures" goes to the same sponsor and is blind because you'd think if you clicked on it, it'd go to your gallery page.


I see now that that is a banner but it looks exactly like three buttons. With that in mind, on your main page, you would appear to have 5 outgoing links.

If you want to fix these issues, please resubmit the site and I'd be happy to list it. :-)

got this back which is a fair comment and I do want to be seen to be presenting both sides of the coin. :-)

[swedguy]

http://www.smithslookup.co.uk/inbedw...faith/main.htm

I see 4 outgoing links on that page and the top banner is pretty misleading.

[tiny]

they go to your page not 2257,probly a over sight ,thats where they got 4 links from
All models are 18 years of age or older and fully 2257 compliant
(C) made by smiths look up on behalf of sterlingcash.com 9/04

goes to here
http://www.smithslookup.co.uk

[SmithsMedia]

It sthe same 2557 blah blah I have used on each of my sites since the turn of this month.

The banner is can be viewed as cheeky though Im think ing its pretty tame compared with some of the stunts people pull.

Glad for the feedback though - can anyone understand my frustration, the LL in question and I have exchanged mails and Im not trying to bad mouth them, Im just wanting to know if comman sense ever comes into play?

As for the buttons and stuff its pretty easy to navigate, I make my freesites so people can find the images and browse them that way if they like they will buy.

[tiny]

Sorry not lookin to argue with you but that link doesn't go to a 2257 page it goes to your link page.
If I were a reviewer and clicked it I'd look at it as link number four and not a 2257 statement page.
Maybe other reviewers took it as being a link to a statement and never clicked it.

[DangerDave]

I would have rejected both of them.. !

http://www.smithslookup.co.uk/inbedw...aith/index.htm - that whole site is just about blind.!

and this one - http://www.escortlookup.co.uk/realpunting/index.htm - aint much better.

Both sites speak in terms of our-this and our-that.. which makes most of you links deceptive.

"Click here now to see the video's of 'Real Escort Sex'" - is a deceptive and blind link...

all you have to to do is put

"Click here now to see the video's AT 'Real Escort Sex'" - and it makes it far more acceptable.

Dont come crying here when you get rejected..
Look at your sites
Adjust your practices
Get back to work.


No I aint trying to be "narky!" its a fact... you are at the mercy of reviewers..

DD

[ladydesigner]

Good grief! I'm the link list owner in question who sent the rejection e-mails to Paul that he posted here.

I'm a daily submitter of "hand made" free sites myself. I didn't mean to upset you by any means. I get my sites kicked around now and again by reviewers too. As a matter of fact, just today I submitted a free Asian site using a new sponsor's content who's VERY well known in this biz and another VERY well known link list rejected it for models that looked to young while everyone else seems to think it's fine. It's just the way the ball bounces sometimes. Get over it.

Like DD said, you're at the mercy of the reviewer. You don't like what they say, move on or adjust your site. I don't mean to be a bitch but I'm trying to start out having a very clean, non-misleading link list. I figure if I do it right from the start, I won't have problems in the long run.

Paul, if you want to fix the issues I listed in my e-mail, I'd be happy to list your sites. If you want to take me off your submit list like you mentioned in your e-mail, I'll live.

[SmithsMedia]

Originally posted by DangerDave
I would have rejected both of them.. !

http://www.smithslookup.co.uk/inbedw...aith/index.htm - that whole site is just about blind.!

and this one - http://www.escortlookup.co.uk/realpunting/index.htm - aint much better.

Both sites speak in terms of our-this and our-that.. which makes most of you links deceptive.

"Click here now to see the video's of 'Real Escort Sex'" - is a deceptive and blind link...

all you have to to do is put

"Click here now to see the video's AT 'Real Escort Sex'" - and it makes it far more acceptable.

Dont come crying here when you get rejected..
Look at your sites
Adjust your practices
Get back to work.


No I aint trying to be "narky!" its a fact... you are at the mercy of reviewers..

DD

You post kind of makers sense then does not in the same breath,

'Both sites speak in terms of our-this and our-that.. which makes most of you links deceptive.'

you have to be kidding me right? time for me to be be frank, what you worte is bollocks to be honest, a blind link is one that says one thing and sends you else where.

If you click on the link you see free videos, I know this as the sponsor added one prior to me making this site.

As for the faith site being blind, you have got to be kidding you have to be fucking stupid not to figure out whats what on that page.

I aint been narky Im being frank, this is a massive topic of WM's re LL owners and their 'rules' I too have a LL and list everything, why? coz some guy has sat their and made it thats why.

I very rarely rant on the boards and I sent the this thread to the LL owner as I want to be as open as possible. The simple solution is not for me to adjust but to find LL and WM who use an element of comman sense when reviewing (Im not sayin you guys dont) as its comman sense that really seems to be lacking on the internet.

[Surfn]

The lack of common sense is present in this thread as well

[MrMaryLou]

Ya know in reading this thread once again I see the whole point being missed here webmasters you build your sites ya submit them and wait to be listed but there is one thing your missing its a privilege to be listed not a right or to be listed its there traffic build to meet there rules and guide lines and meet them if not move on find a place the fits your style stop trying to put square pegs in round holes and the post that you cant make it fit

[SmithsMedia]

Originally posted by Surfn
The lack of common sense is present in this thread as well

well my comman went with the rejections, its also left me wondering if there is a future in building freesites I mean
whats point in making something which never clicks through to your sponsor.

You cant rely on the content to sell the paysite as half the time you have to buy content from another source just to get listed.

I got dumped on by 80% of LL owners with a LA site, I was told and rightly so its been used before so we cant list you. The solution? buy some teen content and then try and upsell to another girls solo site..........Theres no logic in this. Im sometimes left wondering whether the only winners on free sites are the content houses who sell cheap content to likes of us to then spend time making a site, which we give away free!!!

Surely we are a 'community' despite the often 'Them & Us' feeling you get reading LL listing rules.

BTW you volin is out of tune ;-)

[Surfn]

I really do NOT want to get into a debate. I will say this one time for you and all the other newbies. When LL owners or TGP owners make comments on your site or gallery ( they have other things they could be doing as well) they do so to help you improve your skills. We don't want to beat up on people on this board. We make suggestions to help you get listed. Plain and simple.

You and several others really should attend the Saturday "On the Bench with MrMaryLou" to get your questions answered and to sharpen your skills.

[SmithsMedia]

Originally posted by MrMaryLou
Ya know in reading this thread once again I see the whole point being missed here webmasters you build your sites ya submit them and wait to be listed but there is one thing your missing its a privilege to be listed not a right or to be listed its there traffic build to meet there rules and guide lines and meet them if not move on find a place the fits your style stop trying to put square pegs in round holes and the post that you cant make it fit

Thats the whole point there is no standard in the rules at all - this is fact as a % of LL have listed my sites NP which means they have no issues with what I am producing.

privilege to be listed - really? I think it takes two hands to clap, without the WM community building free sites, the LL would not exsist, without the LL listing the free sites / Galleries the programme owners would go out of business.

My friend I think you are missing the point we are a 'community' without any one 'pannel' setting the rules hence the issues.

If no one sent me sites to list then I know I would not get any visits to my hub, FACT.

Dude we dont make pages for good of our health. I used to surf the hun and stuff daily way before I got into providing payment solutions to the adult market, I used to just click and go I never read shit and knew if I clicked on someting the freeness would run out quickly.

Surfers are not dumb they tend to be professional people who have the ability to afford a PC and internet connection, baby sitting them and in effect saying

" the free stuff is here on the left, oh if you click on the right you will have to pay for your porn "

Ive sat in exhibtions and listened to the guys that run some of the biggest programmes, they too have a warped view as to what a WM does and what is involved.

Nothing will change, nothing has in the 2 years I have been at this,

[Jaden]

Just a thought here....and I can definitely see things from both points of view.

MOST LL rules are there because of the bottom line, which is giving surfers as close to what they specifically want as possible so that they not only return, but click through to sponsors. Most LL owners know their traffic, and by offering consistency can use that knowledge to help their submitters make $$$$, but make no mistake, LL owners are looking out for their interests and bottom line.

IMO, most rules are there because they are just plain good selling tactics and common sense. It just plain makes sense to work on your text and getting the surfer all revved up so you don't NEED more than 3 links out on a page. I think if you built it right in the first place you only NEED 1 really, and the 2 extras are just bonus, and there is absolutely no reason for a blind link.

Who does it benefit to have a surfer click a blind link, not end up where they thought they were going, and leave pissed off, screwing up a long term potential sale for the LL owner, AND screwing the submitter out of an immediate sale.

And I think that is where a lot of the conflict arises.....LL owners, I think anyway, are looking at the overall more long term potential, and submitters are looking at their immediate results. Neither of which is bad or good, just different. I think as well that as a submitter if you look at the longer term results of following the rules it makes it all easier to understand, and less frustrating to deal with.

I personally would much rather have a quality site that I had to revamp and rework a few times to meet with the LL owners rules, that ends up on the SE's with selling tactics that are tried and true, than one that got accepted everywhere but was basically crap and a waste of bandwidth once it got picked up.....

I have to say that over the past year and a half, I have only gotten maybe 2-3 rejections that really made no sense to me. 99% of the time the rejections I have gotten came with advice and ways to improve that I KNOW ended up making me more sales, and higher quality sites.

Overused content doesn't make sales for anyone, blind links dont make sales for anyone, and if your site isn't built right in the first place that one extra link isn't going to make you a sale.....

[MrMaryLou]

NochexContact since I do a bit of reviewing LOL I think I might know what I am talking about your not dealing with a corportion here that has a fully staffed compliance department. There is a standard just gotta to find one that works for you and the sites that you choose to submit too. Once again ya can't put a square peg in a round hole

[Jaden]

Originally posted by NochexContact
Thats the whole point there is no standard in the rules at all - this is fact as a % of LL have listed my sites NP which means they have no issues with what I am producing.

privilege to be listed - really? I think it takes two hands to clap, without the WM community building free sites, the LL would not exsist, without the LL listing the free sites / Galleries the programme owners would go out of business.

My friend I think you are missing the point we are a 'community' without any one 'pannel' setting the rules hence the issues.

If no one sent me sites to list then I know I would not get any visits to my hub, FACT.

I think you are missing the point....IT IS a privilege most the time to get listed....

You end up getting picked up by SE's in a short amount of time, you get targetted traffic for sales, and a consistent amount of that traffic through long term listings.....

Right now, between free hosted galleries and free hosted free sites as well as shared databases and super high quality consistent submissions from a handful of submitters LL owners could still do very well for themselves without every having to accept open submissions at all.

It definitely is a bonus to accept submissions for the variety offered and amount of content, but again, if you want a piece of that pie, then simply follow the rules and hone your selling skills.

You don't HAVE to submit to LL's to make sales, it is very possible to make pages exactly how you want them, feed them with your own traffic, invest the time in submitting to SE's yourself and go that way.....The process is slower, longer, and can have mixed results. And I think, you will still end up going back and tweaking everything and still following the basic rules, because that is what sells. Or you can always go the TGP route. But be prepared to invest more $$$ and time, and at the end you still have to learn the sales tactics and hone them for that as well.....Not to mention that TGP's are even more competitive and have their own rules for submits.....

[urb]

I used to run a link list.

I used to accept a few blind links here and there.

I used to let a few things slide, just so I didn't offend anyone.

It was a mistake not sticking to my own rules. The volume of submissions became too much, because word got around I was a soft touch.

[SmithsMedia]

Originally posted by Jaden
I think you are missing the point....IT IS a privilege most the time to get listed....

You end up getting picked up by SE's in a short amount of time, you get targetted traffic for sales, and a consistent amount of that traffic through long term listings.....

Right now, between free hosted galleries and free hosted free sites as well as shared databases and super high quality consistent submissions from a handful of submitters LL owners could still do very well for themselves without every having to accept open submissions at all.

It definitely is a bonus to accept submissions for the variety offered and amount of content, but again, if you want a piece of that pie, then simply follow the rules and hone your selling skills.

You don't HAVE to submit to LL's to make sales, it is very possible to make pages exactly how you want them, feed them with your own traffic, invest the time in submitting to SE's yourself and go that way.....The process is slower, longer, and can have mixed results. And I think, you will still end up going back and tweaking everything and still following the basic rules, because that is what sells. Or you can always go the TGP route. But be prepared to invest more $$$ and time, and at the end you still have to learn the sales tactics and hone them for that as well.....Not to mention that TGP's are even more competitive and have their own rules for submits.....

I beleive the long term is always better to aim for, LL provide a instant boost to traffic and help my main hub get found by Google that I am 100% sure of.

Some very good points :-)

Jaden - I can really relate to your comments, I didnt see it as an extra link just one I was advised to put on all future builds, I figure what is up this time is that this link is within the 'box' as apposed to a few 'enters' below the page - something maybe I should think about.

I build for the long term aqs some of the real bad sites I did last year are getting some SE traffic now so Im all for the future.

Urb - again great point, my question to you is were you a soft touch? You dont sound like one to me ;-)

I have probley opened a can of worms with this post though it was something I had to get of my chest and generally get some other views.

The Lady at the list in question as far as I am concenred is fair and has been nothing less then helpful in explaining what I need to resolve.

My grief is really with the whole process but I cant change the world!

[SmithsMedia]

OK this site just arrived for me to add;

http://www.palazzo-del-sesso.com/briana/free7/gallery2/

on tis page you will notice they also carry the same footer as me, its becoming more and more comman - does this count as four sponsored links? I see three sponsor links and a link to his hub which is fair surely?

[swedguy]

Originally posted by NochexContact
OK this site just arrived for me to add;

http://www.palazzo-del-sesso.com/briana/free7/gallery2/

on tis page you will notice they also carry the same footer as me, its becoming more and more comman - does this count as four sponsored links? I see three sponsor links and a link to his hub which is fair surely?

I got that one in my que some hours ago too and it got rejected.

Main page has 4 out links and the galleries have 5.

[MrMaryLou]

Originally posted by NochexContact
OK this site just arrived for me to add;

http://www.palazzo-del-sesso.com/briana/free7/gallery2/

on tis page you will notice they also carry the same footer as me, its becoming more and more comman - does this count as four sponsored links? I see three sponsor links and a link to his hub which is fair surely?

The top banner is so blind its not funny

[jennym]

Originally posted by NochexContact
OK this site just arrived for me to add;

http://www.palazzo-del-sesso.com/briana/free7/gallery2/

on tis page you will notice they also carry the same footer as me, its becoming more and more comman - does this count as four sponsored links? I see three sponsor links and a link to his hub which is fair surely?

Personally, I don't mind a small link at the bottom of the page for the submitters own site. I don't have a SET rule for the number of out links on a page. If it is a clean site, and not "cluttered" with links everywhere, then I don't have a problem with it.

The thing to remember is, this is a personal preference, and everyone is entitled to do things the way they want. If a LL has "very strict" rules, and still gets a large amount of submits every day, then obviously they will keep with their rules. Supply and demand.

[jennym]

Originally posted by MrMaryLou
The top banner is so blind its not funny

This would be more of a reason for me to decline a site like that.

[Jaden]

Originally posted by NochexContact
OK this site just arrived for me to add;

http://www.palazzo-del-sesso.com/briana/free7/gallery2/

on tis page you will notice they also carry the same footer as me, its becoming more and more comman - does this count as four sponsored links? I see three sponsor links and a link to his hub which is fair surely?

Okay some things to think about...the link to the hub is considered a 4th link....Look at it this way...how much more do you think that page would sell IF...

There were only 2 banners, with added juicy text to lead the surfer into clicking and then offering the surfer an alternative with that 3rd link to go somewhere like the hub to be able to get more of the same....AND IF...the submitter had used a fair amount of text and good sales tactic they wouldn't feel the need for more than 2 banners plus their hub....

THat top banner is blind as hell, and what do you think the surfer is going to do when he clicks it thinking he is getting more pics and is led to the sponsor site? Sure, it will count for the submitter as a 1st page click, but it won't be productive as the surfer will most likely just back out of the site frustrated.....