Industry Effects Of 1 Million New Webmasters?

[kristian]

This is of course a hypothetical question. I'm curious to know what many of you think on the topic of new entrants to the biz. If 1 million newbie webmasters entered the industry today, what would be the long-term effects? More specifically, let's assume these are only submitters, ppc campaigners, and webmasters setting up new tgps and link lists.

This is a big question, I know.

Do you think there's enough room for that many new webmasters? Maybe it could be detrimental for the industry? Would it create too much free porn? Would it create any more free porn at all? Could any one of these new webmasters make even close to their current industry counterparts?

What do you think?

[Cleo]

Gold rush is over, industry is full.

Already way too much "samples" available and it hurts sales. Already way too many people submitting their stuff to be listed so it is hard to get listed.

Go away, go home, nothing to see here.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Cleo
Gold rush is over, industry is full.

...and has been since 2000

[amadman]

I don't think there is as many new people getting in and making it now.

With stricter rules, No freehosts, partner accounts, visa regs, avs falling,oversaturation, ect.. It is not as easy to get started as it used to be.

So, I think it would hurt. But would get thinned down rather quickly. Because it would be that much harder on them too.

[kristian]

I think we can expect a rise in new entrants. This is why I ask. I think it's going to be the topic of much heated conversation over the next 2 years.

The barriers to entry are low (minimal setup costs, low knowledge requirment). Unemployment is set to rise in both the U.S and Europe. The legion of homeworkers is a steady upward trend. Popularity of boards such as this - which offer support, education, and encouragement for newbie webmasters - is on the rise. And so on.

Every organisational, cultural, and economic indicator I can bring to mind points to a rise in new entrants.

So the interesting question is how they will impact on the industry. Will it raise overal industry earnings? Or will it dilute per worker earnings right across the board?

I have my own theories but I'm more interested in what you guys think.

[Greenguy]

kristian - I'm gonna use you as an example, so bare with me for a bit

When did you get into the industry?

[kristian]

Originally posted by Greenguy
kristian - I'm gonna use you as an example, so bare with me for a bit

When did you get into the industry?

OK, cool.

March, 2002.

EDIT -- Sorry July, 2001

[Greenguy]

Well, then my little snipit about 2000 being the year things filled up was not that far off

I'm too lazy to go look for exact threads on old boards, but I do remember talking about an increase of webmasters back in 2000 & what effects they'd have.

I guess my point is that for some, the rush of news webmasters is not a new thing & for others, it is

[Ramster]

I think there will always be new webmasters entering the industry. But as already mentioned it is much harder to make money now. Getting listed is a bitch. TGP listings are near impossible for newbies unless they are ready to spend money. Link lists are getting to the point of TGPs now too.

More free porn? The only way that will be is with the opening of new TGPs and LL. But then they will be showing the same stuff the people that have been around for awhile are showing and they will not gain bookmarkers because of it and hence there will be no more free porn, just more places to see the same thing.

Maybe it'll frustrate surfers into buying .

[kristian]

Originally posted by Greenguy
Well, then my little snipit about 2000 being the year things filled up was not that far off

I'm too lazy to go look for exact threads on old boards, but I do remember talking about an increase of webmasters back in 2000 & what effects they'd have.

I guess my point is that for some, the rush of news webmasters is not a new thing & for others, it is

Hmmm... ok

[graphicsbytia]

One thing you haven't considered is the percentage of new surfers also rises which helps.

Newbies have always been a problem to the effectivness of the adult market.

I'm going to say something that may be a little controversial here, but it's what I think.

In my opinion, adult webmaster boards are the problem. They promote link lists and tgp's as the ultimate source of traffic. Link lists and tgp are also the easiest way to get traffic, so a newbie will see this as an easy way to promote the sponsors.

If you'll notice, many of the owners and mods on adult webmaster boards are link list and tgp owners, so naturally they'll promote the type of traffic that benefits them the most.

Now, I'm not saying that link list and tgp traffic are bad.. in fact many webmasters do very well with it.. but consider all the newbie traffic they attract that the newbie doesn't do well with.. it's a lot. You hear it every day... newbies saying they get thousands of hits with no sales. Those thousands of hits are just from one newbie.. multiply that by thousands of newbies that are in the same situation. That's a lot of free porn that's not getting paid for.

Well.. I've said my piece.. and I'm sure there will be debate on this opinion..

so... what do you all think?

[kristian]

Another factor to consider is the growth of the cumsumer.

If 1 million new webmasters enter the market and 1 million new sufers begin comsuming porn, will there be any negative effects on the industry?

[kristian]

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
One thing you haven't considered is the percentage of new surfers also rises which helps.

Great minds think alike

I dont personally think adult webmaster boards boost the number of new entrants in any significant way. What I think they do is prolongue the lifecycle of the entrant.

Rising unemployment, growing popularity of homeworking, increased broadband access, minimum wage legislation, popularity of viewing porn itself. Thesse, I think, do more to promote "getting into" the biz. Boards such as GG&J give newbies a usually friendly home, an education, the promise of riches, and so make their stay in the biz that bit longer.

EDIT : Boards will, I think, have an indirect impact on the number of newbies, but not the number of new entrants. These boards make newbies stay longer so, obviously, there will be more newbies on the whole.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by kristian
Another factor to consider is the growth of the cumsumer.

If 1 million new webmasters enter the market and 1 million new sufers begin comsuming porn, will there be any negative effects on the industry?

I don't see why it would, do you? The growth is healthy and even and what it should be.. what's not right is the way the industry runs itself

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by kristian
Great minds think alike

I dont personally think adult webmaster boards boost the number of new entrants in any significant way. What I think they do is prolongue the lifecycle of the entrant.

Let me ask you this.. if a webmaster did this on his own with no help from a webmaster board.. where would he likely get his traffic from?

[kristian]

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
Let me ask you this.. if a webmaster did this on his own with no help from a webmaster board.. where would he likely get his traffic from?

I got my initial traffic from link lists and tgps. I figured out there must be money in posting porn because there was so much of it. I then found some useful articles (not posted on forums). I believe one was written by shemp. Next I found myself a sponsor.

In my case, what got me into the industry was I'd sold my business, and I wanted to work from home. In a way I was unemployed. I would probably still be here now, but the boards have provided encouragement, friends, and knowledge. The boards, however, were not the factor contributing to my entry.

Again, I think boards do more to sustain the new entrants rather than produce them.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by kristian
I got my initial traffic from link lists and tgps. I figured out there must be money in posting porn because there was so much of it. I then found some useful articles (not posted on forums). I believe one was written by shemp. Next I found myself a sponsor.

In my case, what got me into the industry was I'd sold my business, and I wanted to work from home. In a way I was unemployed. I would probably still be here now, but the boards have provided encouragement, friends, and knowledge. The boards, however, were not the factor contributing to my entry.

Again, I think boards do more to sustain the new entrants rather than produce them.

ok but I don't think we're talking about the same thing here.. you're talking about new people entering the market.. I'm talking about new people learning the market from webmaster boards.. and since you started the thread, I'll admit I got off topic

[kristian]

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
ok but I don't think we're talking about the same thing here.. you're talking about new people entering the market.. I'm talking about new people learning the market from webmaster boards.. and since you started the thread, I'll admit I got off topic

We are talking about the same thing. And I agree with you in essence

I think boards prolongue the stay of many webmasters in the industry. They will even give some surfers the initial idea to join. I just think they represent no significant percentage of the reason most surfers have for becoming entrants. I'm more inclined to cite unemployment or the rising popularity of homeworking coupled with that of viewing porn.

So we do agree really

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by kristian
We are talking about the same thing. And I agree with you in essence

I think boards prolongue the stay of many webmasters in the industry. They will even give some surfers the initial idea to join. I just think they represent no significant percentage of the reason most surfers have for becoming entrants. I'm more inclined to cite unemployment or the rising popularity of homeworking coupled with that of viewing porn.

So we do agree really

oh yes, I absolutely agree with that point.. and that's why I said I was getting off topic.. which I was

[Alphawolf]

Well, I don't see the average tom dick and harry getting into adult, but I could see more techie people doing it...like I did.

It helps to have some actual web design under your belt.

Actually, the amount of boards and free articles was actually a barrier to me.

I wondered WHY on earth there was so much information. So many boards..made my little noggin spin.

I posted a note on webmasterworld.com asking if anyone was in adult or something. Linkster responded via stickymail (I know forget is webmasterworld nick) and I asked him which board is most like webmasterworld for the adult industry.

He pointed me here.

I don't think any amount of new webmaster's in adult would effect 'us' too much.

Look at how many sites get rejected right now. Nearly 50% of all submissions are rejected on Link Lists.

With new webmasters, that number would just rise and they'll all be partners which is how it's going.

There's always room for people who truly want to dig in and learn.

My .02

[stev0]

For everyone 1 new webmaster that starts in this industry there is probably 100 new people surfing porn... More big link lists will pop up and people submitting quality free sites and galleries will still get listed.

I just started submitting TGP galleries a couple weeks ago, so im new (in that area at least ). And already i've had a few of them email me partner accounts without even having to ask. It's in the owners best interest to keep the good submitters around, no matter how new they are.

TGP's and link lists will fail without good submitters, and submitters will fail without good TGP's and link lists.

[McSpike]

I agree with Cleo.

kristian mentioned "low knowledge requirment". I have to very much disagree. You can actually start making a difference and with it serious cash when you have a lot of knowledge/experience.

Only few will really make it today and that makes this industry just like any other. There is some difference tho. Internet is an evolving medium and there's space for new ideas/solutions. Yet for that you need knowledge.

Knowledge is power.
Work smarter, not harder.

[Jollyperv]

I wonder how this new "Make A $1000 A Day Being an Adult Webmaster" Spam is gonna affect things. Anyone else getting these? Every time I get one (lately it's been about 3 a day) my heart sinks a little bit. I'd like to sit that asshole down and tell him to just spam mortgages or fake penis pills like everyone else.

On the bright side, think of this...for every newbie that tries to make a quick buck, there's another one that's given up after 2 months and realized that the amount of work one has to put into this business is staggering.

[kristian]

Originally posted by McSpike
I agree with Cleo.

kristian mentioned "low knowledge requirment". I have to very much disagree. You can actually start making a difference and with it serious cash when you have a lot of knowledge/experience.

Only few will really make it today and that makes this industry just like any other. There is some difference tho. Internet is an evolving medium and there's space for new ideas/solutions. Yet for that you need knowledge.

Knowledge is power.
Work smarter, not harder.

To the average surfer in almost 2005, learning how to build galleries and free sites is little challenge. Anyone with enough time on their hands can acquire the requisite skills to create, submit, and earn at least a modest income. These fundaments have a low knowledge requirement.

Now, developing finese, implementing ground-breaking ideas and marketing strategies, well these are something else entirely. 5 years or more of experience would be beneficial, as would a college degree in a related discipline.

So, you don't disagree with me, since you have not fully understood what I'm saying. Sorry to be so harsh.

[kristian]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Well, I don't see the average tom dick and harry getting into adult, but I could see more techie people doing it...like I did.

It helps to have some actual web design under your belt.

Actually, the amount of boards and free articles was actually a barrier to me.

I wondered WHY on earth there was so much information. So many boards..made my little noggin spin.

I posted a note on webmasterworld.com asking if anyone was in adult or something. Linkster responded via stickymail (I know forget is webmasterworld nick) and I asked him which board is most like webmasterworld for the adult industry.

He pointed me here.

I don't think any amount of new webmaster's in adult would effect 'us' too much.

Look at how many sites get rejected right now. Nearly 50% of all submissions are rejected on Link Lists.

With new webmasters, that number would just rise and they'll all be partners which is how it's going.

There's always room for people who truly want to dig in and learn.

My .02

You are the classic example of how a newbie in late 2004 can arrive, learn, and begin to prosper. I have no doubt you'll achieve every one of your goals.