Getting micropayment galleries listed on TGPs

PayAsYouClick · 2004-11-02, 11:03 AM

Hi,

I wondered if I could get some advice on getting PayAsYouClick micropayment galleries listed on TGPs.

Ignore the design / content if you can, here's an example of a micropayment gallery / site that has been built to go along with a tutorial I wrote. This shows how any gallery builder can set up a micropayment gallery in a few hours and charge for each click.

www.muckytarts.com/choc

Here's the tutorial : http://www.muckytarts.com/payc_click_tutorial.htm

You'll see that this type of site has mostly free pictures, then a couple of pictures clearly marked at 2 cents each. These and the pictures on the following pages require the user to get an account to view them - which they fund by credit card, check, SMS, 900 etc. Once they have an account, making payments from 1 cent to $2 takes just one click on the thumbnail. The surfer has the option to confirm each payment over a chosen amount, so there's no suggestion of tricking him.

This type of pay-per-click site is doing incredibly well on niche traffic and mainstream video sites - for example www.valleycats.net or www.gabrio.com/main/archive_vids.htm Its not unusual to see someone spend $20/$30 in an evening on $2 videos on these sites, or clock up say $5 in an hour just looking at pictures.

But we want to get mainstream traffic hitting this type of site/gallery off the TGPs and link lists.

What's in it for the TGP? The TGP will automatically receive up to 50% of all the money its traffic spends at any PayAsYouClick sites.

The gallery builder chooses how much to pay in traffic-commission (0-50%), and the TGP chooses whether to list the gallery based on quality and the traffic-commission for that gallery.

So if the TGP links to a load of galleries of this type, surfers are encouraged to get an account, and the TGP earns high income. Meanwhile as long as the galleries have some free pics, and clearly marked charged ones, its not going to piss off surfers.

I'd appreciate any suggestions on how we can introduce this type of gallery onto the mainstream traffic sites. Clearly if we can achieve this, its a step towards getting more and more surfers paying for content.

Thanks in advance,

Danny

teamperfectogab · 2004-11-02, 12:29 PM

hi there

i was surfing the board and i found that Danny just posted this, and i wanted to add that the pay as you click system it's a great way to attract your surfers.

the only thing you need is good content of course, but you can also benefit by using pay as you click simply by promoting archives like ours: http://www.gabrio.com/main/archive_vids.htm infact we pay 50% off all referral sales, which is a good thing.

if i were you i would surely give it a go, the system works, and the payments are so small, who would mind about spending 2 dollars for a video? we were curious and we tried it, it's working and we have sales ever day, although the MGP is not our biggest goal, so if you are a MGP/TGP owner i would seriously put this into consideration.

have a great day and good work!

Gabrio

PayAsYouClick · 2004-11-02, 12:44 PM

Look, I don't want to piss anybody off here but I posted my thread as a genuine request to see how we could adapt micropayment sites and galleries to make them acceptable on mainstream TGPs.

The reason for needing advice is that we link some thumbs to payment links, which I understand would ordinarily would be rejected by TGPs. We want to understand how and whether we can get round this for the benefit of submitters, TGPs and arguably even surfers.

Now my thread has been moved to the spam board. Is this because Gabrio added to the thead? Or because I highlighted the reasons why it should be acceptable and a good idea?

Sure we want publicity like everybody else, but this wasn't supposed to be a spammy post.

Can you let me know what the problem is and I'll reword my request for help.

Here is my post :

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=12890

Thanks

Danny

PayAsYouClick · 2004-11-02, 12:46 PM

Thanks Gabrio!

majortom · 2004-11-02, 06:57 PM

I use payasyouclick too.

I think it a gret system and that it would be a very good thing to limit free porn on the net.

Galleries with a couple of free pics that the surfer could see, then the other he gotta pay for them.

I've set it up on mysite because I'm tired of giving my exclusive hardcore for free to bandwith munchers.

http://www.freesexlessons.com/hardco...assaction1.htm

I wish TGP peoples would give us ome clues here.

Great system Danny.
Wiching you the Best of succes with it.

MajorTom

teamperfectogab · 2004-11-03, 01:49 AM

i absolutely agree! it looks like people are a bit skeptical!

dutchboy · 2005-01-08, 11:16 AM

Why hasn't this question got any answers?

I'm also wondering if TGP en Linklist owners are willing to list galleries and sites using this new sort of payment method.
And how will you classify them. They are not Free, AVS or Member sites.

DangerDave · 2005-01-08, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dutchboy
Why hasn't this question got any answers?

Because its been tried before and it's old news.

Quote:

i absolutely agree! it looks like people are a bit skeptical!

Not sceptical.... INFORMED... these programs appear regulalrly and are promoted with long theories on how they work... but they just never do...

Most have us have seem multiple "token" systems fail.. why would this one be any different..

DD

dutchboy · 2005-01-09, 01:40 PM

I don't understand this negative response. If everyone reacts in this way no changes will ever happen. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Could you answer my other question. Are you willing to list sites and galleries that use this PPC system.

swedguy · 2005-01-09, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dutchboy
Could you answer my other question. Are you willing to list sites and galleries that use this PPC system.

No. The surfer doesn't get anything without paying.

Useless · 2005-01-09, 02:44 PM

You're using blind links - thumbs which lead to a payment page - so you'll never get listed. It goes against the marketing strategy which we employ. You'll have to build your own traffic producing sites.

DangerDave · 2005-01-09, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dutchboy Could you answer my other question. Are you willing to list sites and galleries that use this PPC system.

No

DD

RawAlex · 2005-01-09, 07:04 PM

If I am going to shake surfers down to see pictures, I at least want to be the one getting paid. I would not list YOUR micropay pages so you can make money. What's the point?

You provide a page of free content. I provide surfers. If you want to charge for the stuff, then pay me.

Even then, I wouldn't subject my surfers to such obvious blind linking.

Alex

PayAsYouClick · 2005-01-10, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex
If I am going to shake surfers down to see pictures, I at least want to be the one getting paid. I would not list YOUR micropay pages so you can make money. What's the point?

You provide a page of free content. I provide surfers. If you want to charge for the stuff, then pay me.

Even then, I wouldn't subject my surfers to such obvious blind linking.

Alex

Hello Alex,

Just to clarify, the TGP linking to a site of this type receives 50% of the income generated by his traffic.

Also the TGP will receive 25% of everything that the surfer spends on ANY site using PayAsYouClick, of which there are now more than 100.

However, we spoke to a good number of the major TGP and list owners at Internext. Like you, many are skeptical until they see PayAsYouClick in action - it really doesn't come across in a post or an email. But when they see what we're doing first hand, its a different story.

On their recommendation we're making some changes which clarify what's in it for TGPs. We're also building the equivelant of free hosted galleries so you can introduce surfers to PayAsYouClick without upsetting the existing rules on gallery listings. And you'll earn 50% for listing them.

I hope you'll do us the honour of taking a look at PayAsYouClick when we announce these changes and the availability of the free hosted galleries.

In the meanwhile thanks for taking the trouble to the thread.

I'll be please to answer any points that arise here.

Regards

Danny

majortom · 2005-01-10, 08:37 PM

That is great news Danny.

Maybe some of the old webmasters school will start to understant that surfers are getting tired of been dragged around from one galleries listing page , to another then another then another,,,endlessly. without ever getting to what they want...
quality porn..and that they are ready to shell out a few cents to get the pix that they want without having to suscribe for a month to some site that will rebill them and doesn't show up front what is in the site. great tour, loussy content

With PAYC the surfer see the thumb and get the picture he wanted, exactely mothing less nothing more, no BS, no CJ.

Real porn for real surfers.

Free loaders can free load somewhere else.

And kids don't have access to free porn...just the thumbs..that is another bonus from Pay as you click.

That page of PAYC galleries made 4.8 $ in the 2 first days it is up, and i didn't even try to send traffic to it.

http://www.asian-amateurs-hardcore.c...ml/allsets.htm

No sponsor shaving, no sponsor check that cost you to cash them. PAYC is working with moneybookers.

From the producer to the consumer direct in 2 clicks...that is the futur

When the TGP guys will see how fast the cents add up to $...they will change they minds...fast.

Bump for Danjny and his team

Regards
MajorTom

DangerDave · 2005-01-10, 09:30 PM

Why do you guys think this idea is NEW! it isn't it has been tried before...! and it went the way of many other ideas... straight to the trash can...

Of course you are welcome to do as you please of course... but don't try and tell me I can make $4.80 in two days... and expect me(or others) to jump on board..

In fact I will give you $4.80 if you never post about it again!

majortom · 2005-01-10, 10:11 PM

Well mister Dangerdave.

I can understand your position, years of experience, and traffic up the yazzoo..you certainely make more than that per minute.

but for a noob, posting a page, that is in fact a page from my content shop,not sending any traffic to it, not listing it anywhere and making a few $ from surfer pasing by ...is great.
it's a start.

my site gets 200-2000 hits a day...mainly google search

In a few year i will certainely laught at it...but for now..well it's better than nothing.

I'm a new content producer and try different thing to learn about the biss.

In the same day i have packed up orders for content over in the range of 1000 euros...I'm editing the vids now. I'm running out of DVD and minidv tapes..

I've not time to post to tgp etc

my clip store for surfer made another 150 $ in the 3 weeks its open ...ridiculous for you i guess. but very welcome for me. post the clips and wait fo the cash..i like it
http://www.clips4sale.com/store.pl?1077

Still i like PAYC because I get my page listed and productive in a few minutes.

How much were you making a day some year ago when you started?

A 1000 $ every days a soon as you started, the first day/ month? . or did you like the majority of noob..started little, celebrated your first 15 $ from a sponsor...?

With all the experience you have and your traffic. why don't you give it a try and tell us what happens?
What have you got to loose?

So this month so far I made 1000 euros + 150 $ + 4.8 $

last month 2500 euros + 500 $ of content sales.

I'm a happy camper

Regards
MajorTom

Greenguy · 2005-01-11, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by majortom
With PAYC the surfer see the thumb and get the picture he wanted, exactely mothing less nothing more, no BS, no CJ.

My surfers are already happy because I don't fuck with them with blind links & circle jerks - so you think I should piss them off by charging?

Not everyone tries to fuck over their surfers

dutchboy · 2005-01-11, 03:23 PM

I'm happy to see the replies. I myself hadn't thought of the fact that these links could be seen as blind links. Good point.

On the other hand. I see a lot of people complaining about the fast amounts of free stuff being available. I think PPC could be a solution. Offer high quality content, not the same crappy stuff that all the other webmasters do, without needing to build a membership site. I know I will give it a chance. If it won't work I just spend some time trying. If it works: I dump my free sites with content provided by sponsors. What the heck if it works I will probably dump all the sponors and generate my own income based on my own work.

Seeing the reactions of the TGP onwers I am already thinking of starting my own TGP just for this kind of galleries. Getting money from each gallery listed seems very promising to me.

2004-11-02, 11:03 AM	#1
PayAsYouClick WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 42	Getting micropayment galleries listed on TGPs Hi, I wondered if I could get some advice on getting PayAsYouClick micropayment galleries listed on TGPs. Ignore the design / content if you can, here's an example of a micropayment gallery / site that has been built to go along with a tutorial I wrote. This shows how any gallery builder can set up a micropayment gallery in a few hours and charge for each click. www.muckytarts.com/choc Here's the tutorial : http://www.muckytarts.com/payc_click_tutorial.htm You'll see that this type of site has mostly free pictures, then a couple of pictures clearly marked at 2 cents each. These and the pictures on the following pages require the user to get an account to view them - which they fund by credit card, check, SMS, 900 etc. Once they have an account, making payments from 1 cent to $2 takes just one click on the thumbnail. The surfer has the option to confirm each payment over a chosen amount, so there's no suggestion of tricking him. This type of pay-per-click site is doing incredibly well on niche traffic and mainstream video sites - for example www.valleycats.net or www.gabrio.com/main/archive_vids.htm Its not unusual to see someone spend $20/$30 in an evening on $2 videos on these sites, or clock up say $5 in an hour just looking at pictures. But we want to get mainstream traffic hitting this type of site/gallery off the TGPs and link lists. What's in it for the TGP? The TGP will automatically receive up to 50% of all the money its traffic spends at any PayAsYouClick sites. The gallery builder chooses how much to pay in traffic-commission (0-50%), and the TGP chooses whether to list the gallery based on quality and the traffic-commission for that gallery. So if the TGP links to a load of galleries of this type, surfers are encouraged to get an account, and the TGP earns high income. Meanwhile as long as the galleries have some free pics, and clearly marked charged ones, its not going to piss off surfers. I'd appreciate any suggestions on how we can introduce this type of gallery onto the mainstream traffic sites. Clearly if we can achieve this, its a step towards getting more and more surfers paying for content. Thanks in advance, Danny __________________ http://www.payasyouclick.com/adult info@payasyouclick.com Last edited by PayAsYouClick; 2004-11-02 at 11:05 AM..

2004-11-02, 12:29 PM	#2
teamperfectogab If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 246	hi there i was surfing the board and i found that Danny just posted this, and i wanted to add that the pay as you click system it's a great way to attract your surfers. the only thing you need is good content of course, but you can also benefit by using pay as you click simply by promoting archives like ours: http://www.gabrio.com/main/archive_vids.htm infact we pay 50% off all referral sales, which is a good thing. if i were you i would surely give it a go, the system works, and the payments are so small, who would mind about spending 2 dollars for a video? we were curious and we tried it, it's working and we have sales ever day, although the MGP is not our biggest goal, so if you are a MGP/TGP owner i would seriously put this into consideration. have a great day and good work! Gabrio __________________ Promote Our Newest Site: Ultimate Boot Fetish - gabrio @ perfectodollars.com

2004-11-02, 12:44 PM	#3
PayAsYouClick WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 42	Advice sought on micropayment gallery submission Look, I don't want to piss anybody off here but I posted my thread as a genuine request to see how we could adapt micropayment sites and galleries to make them acceptable on mainstream TGPs. The reason for needing advice is that we link some thumbs to payment links, which I understand would ordinarily would be rejected by TGPs. We want to understand how and whether we can get round this for the benefit of submitters, TGPs and arguably even surfers. Now my thread has been moved to the spam board. Is this because Gabrio added to the thead? Or because I highlighted the reasons why it should be acceptable and a good idea? Sure we want publicity like everybody else, but this wasn't supposed to be a spammy post. Can you let me know what the problem is and I'll reword my request for help. Here is my post : http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=12890 Thanks Danny __________________ http://www.payasyouclick.com/adult info@payasyouclick.com

2004-11-02, 12:46 PM	#4
PayAsYouClick WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 42	Thanks Gabrio! __________________ http://www.payasyouclick.com/adult info@payasyouclick.com

2004-11-02, 06:57 PM	#5
majortom Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where it's nice and warm Posts: 19	Death to free porn I use payasyouclick too. I think it a gret system and that it would be a very good thing to limit free porn on the net. Galleries with a couple of free pics that the surfer could see, then the other he gotta pay for them. I've set it up on mysite because I'm tired of giving my exclusive hardcore for free to bandwith munchers. http://www.freesexlessons.com/hardco...assaction1.htm I wish TGP peoples would give us ome clues here. Great system Danny. Wiching you the Best of succes with it. MajorTom __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-11-03, 01:49 AM	#6
teamperfectogab If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 246	i absolutely agree! it looks like people are a bit skeptical! __________________ Promote Our Newest Site: Ultimate Boot Fetish - gabrio @ perfectodollars.com

2005-01-08, 11:16 AM	#7
dutchboy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 21	Why hasn't this question got any answers? I'm also wondering if TGP en Linklist owners are willing to list galleries and sites using this new sort of payment method. And how will you classify them. They are not Free, AVS or Member sites.

2005-01-09, 01:40 PM	#9
dutchboy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 21	I don't understand this negative response. If everyone reacts in this way no changes will ever happen. But you are entitled to your opinion. Could you answer my other question. Are you willing to list sites and galleries that use this PPC system.

2005-01-09, 02:44 PM	#11
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	You're using blind links - thumbs which lead to a payment page - so you'll never get listed. It goes against the marketing strategy which we employ. You'll have to build your own traffic producing sites. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-01-09, 07:04 PM	#13
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	If I am going to shake surfers down to see pictures, I at least want to be the one getting paid. I would not list YOUR micropay pages so you can make money. What's the point? You provide a page of free content. I provide surfers. If you want to charge for the stuff, then pay me. Even then, I wouldn't subject my surfers to such obvious blind linking. Alex

2005-01-10, 08:37 PM	#15
majortom Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where it's nice and warm Posts: 19	That is great news That is great news Danny. Maybe some of the old webmasters school will start to understant that surfers are getting tired of been dragged around from one galleries listing page , to another then another then another,,,endlessly. without ever getting to what they want... quality porn..and that they are ready to shell out a few cents to get the pix that they want without having to suscribe for a month to some site that will rebill them and doesn't show up front what is in the site. great tour, loussy content With PAYC the surfer see the thumb and get the picture he wanted, exactely mothing less nothing more, no BS, no CJ. Real porn for real surfers. Free loaders can free load somewhere else. And kids don't have access to free porn...just the thumbs..that is another bonus from Pay as you click. That page of PAYC galleries made 4.8 $ in the 2 first days it is up, and i didn't even try to send traffic to it. http://www.asian-amateurs-hardcore.c...ml/allsets.htm No sponsor shaving, no sponsor check that cost you to cash them. PAYC is working with moneybookers. From the producer to the consumer direct in 2 clicks...that is the futur When the TGP guys will see how fast the cents add up to $...they will change they minds...fast. Bump for Danjny and his team Regards MajorTom __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2005-01-10, 09:30 PM	#16
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	Why do you guys think this idea is NEW! it isn't it has been tried before...! and it went the way of many other ideas... straight to the trash can... Of course you are welcome to do as you please of course... but don't try and tell me I can make $4.80 in two days... and expect me(or others) to jump on board.. In fact I will give you $4.80 if you never post about it again! __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2005-01-10, 10:11 PM	#17
majortom Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where it's nice and warm Posts: 19	Well mister Dangerdave. I can understand your position, years of experience, and traffic up the yazzoo..you certainely make more than that per minute. but for a noob, posting a page, that is in fact a page from my content shop,not sending any traffic to it, not listing it anywhere and making a few $ from surfer pasing by ...is great. it's a start. my site gets 200-2000 hits a day...mainly google search In a few year i will certainely laught at it...but for now..well it's better than nothing. I'm a new content producer and try different thing to learn about the biss. In the same day i have packed up orders for content over in the range of 1000 euros...I'm editing the vids now. I'm running out of DVD and minidv tapes.. I've not time to post to tgp etc my clip store for surfer made another 150 $ in the 3 weeks its open ...ridiculous for you i guess. but very welcome for me. post the clips and wait fo the cash..i like it http://www.clips4sale.com/store.pl?1077 Still i like PAYC because I get my page listed and productive in a few minutes. How much were you making a day some year ago when you started? A 1000 $ every days a soon as you started, the first day/ month? . or did you like the majority of noob..started little, celebrated your first 15 $ from a sponsor...? With all the experience you have and your traffic. why don't you give it a try and tell us what happens? What have you got to loose? So this month so far I made 1000 euros + 150 $ + 4.8 $ last month 2500 euros + 500 $ of content sales. I'm a happy camper Regards MajorTom __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2005-01-11, 03:23 PM	#19
dutchboy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 21	I'm happy to see the replies. I myself hadn't thought of the fact that these links could be seen as blind links. Good point. On the other hand. I see a lot of people complaining about the fast amounts of free stuff being available. I think PPC could be a solution. Offer high quality content, not the same crappy stuff that all the other webmasters do, without needing to build a membership site. I know I will give it a chance. If it won't work I just spend some time trying. If it works: I dump my free sites with content provided by sponsors. What the heck if it works I will probably dump all the sponors and generate my own income based on my own work. Seeing the reactions of the TGP onwers I am already thinking of starting my own TGP just for this kind of galleries. Getting money from each gallery listed seems very promising to me.