Your opinion and help please?

[digifan]

I am slowly back to work and my favorite sponsor came out with this draft:
http://www.hotgirlthumbs.com/contractdraft.pdf
and we have to agree or disagree with it and sign it. I love the site, it is very high quality, they update 6 times a week with pics and movies and the content is exclusive to them so they do work for me. It starts with the blue and green splash page and logo then gets pretty colorful depending on the categories which are many... except hardcore girl-boy scenes and there are surfers who love this.

My #1 problem with this draft is that they do no reward anyone for referring another webmaster and have never done yet.

They have awesome girl-next-door type models and they have never let affiliates call their girls little sluts or whatnot so it is not new to me. But I got declined a few times for this 'boring text" even by UW I am using on the galleries and they all come from the site, Swedguy etc. an so on so I gave up making free sites of the galleries I have and submitting to you. You were right from your point of view, I am not argueing here with you or pointing fingers but I didn't go into details why was it the way it was and is.

UW, I ask you and everyone to help me with fancier promo text which is not rude and your opinion on the contract draft from an affiliate point of view and I am very interested in what Greenie and Jim have to say about it. I will show the thread to their stuff and new affiliate manager of course.

Here are three sample galleries and templates I am using, I got more... and I know some are wide for the 800x600 rule but i won't redo them, I have too many so it is not worth it IMHO. My sponsor keeps telling me to use even bigger "big pics" to convince the surfer about the quality of their site.

http://www2.egghost.com/digifan/abby/alexia1/ta.html
http://www2.egghost.com/digifan/abby/rosanna3/ta.html
http://www2.egghost.com/digifan/abby/katw/ta.html

PS
I do need your help and supportive opinion now. I don't have much on my epassporte account because I had a micro surgery again last week and I'm preparing for my next 5 week radiation and chemo session. Hope it is not too brutal to post it, if it is then please edit it mods.
So please keep the bashing to yourselves, it is not healthy.. if you got nothing to say but negative remarks, I am not interested, sorry so let me nip it in the bud

[digifan]

PS
The default tour url is http://www.gmbill.com/redirect.php?aff=1084x450 but I prefer promoting the long tour, both have a lot of sample pics and movies.

[swedguy]

Huh...swedguy? Do you submit as "digifan"? I don't remember seeing any of your sites and I can't find them in the DB.

My personal opinion about Abby Winters is that I will never touch them. Just because of their attitude towards afilliates and teaching surfers that afilliates are generally bad and teaching them how to change URL's so the afilliate will not get credit.

[digifan]

Thanks for your input! It was back in autumn i think and your problem was that the gallery was scrolling on 600x800 and I respected it.

[swedguy]

ahhh, I see. I thought you meant that I declined it due to boring text

[digifan]

Nope and UW had the same problem, I mean the scrolling... but the text can be boring for a LL or TGP owner after a while and my hands are tied.

[digifan]

Would you believe they are my best sponsors and the galleries convert like 1:500 with tgp traffic? Including the time I have spent in hospital. Not bad with mainly softcore/solo girl stuff.
By solo girl stuff I mean one chick stripping and posing... we were allowed to use max 20 pics per set, now it will be 30 but the sets in the member area are huge, most have about 400-500 pics.

[digifan]

Gone working.. if you feel like pm me rather than post here, please do, thanks

[digifan]

Hmm.

[Halfdeck]

Sent you a PM digifan

[digifan]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Sent you a PM digifan

Thanks

[KG Gary]

I can't help, digifan, except to give this post a little bump.
My apologies to all if that's seen as bad forum etiquette, but it seemed like the right thing to do.

[MadMax]

Hey Digifan,

The contract isn't loading for me so I can't give it a read. On principle I don't like the lack of WM referrals, but I have yet to make any real money on WM referrals anyway, so I've got to believe they'll never come to much unless I get to refer a whale like GG one day.

I think there are a lot of ways you could do hot promo text without being "derogatory" about the models. Since I can't read the terms I can't be sure if anything below would violate them, but here are a few examples:

--These fresh faced amateurs can't wait to show you every inch of their smokin' hot bodies...and you can ONLY see them at AbbyWinters.com
--Get access to more hi-res pics and vids of these sweet, wet, EXCLUSIVE models than you'll be able to look at in a LIFETIME!!!
--They saved themselves for AbbyWinters.com, and now they're pulling out all the stops!!!

OK, not my best work, but those are 3 I just threw together on the spot to give you some ideas

[Ms Naughty]

Originally Posted by swedguy

My personal opinion about Abby Winters is that I will never touch them. Just because of their attitude towards afilliates and teaching surfers that afilliates are generally bad and teaching them how to change URL's so the afilliate will not get credit.

Swedguy... can you give more information? I haven't heard that assertion before - is there an example that they're teaching surfers not to use affiliate codes?

I got the email from Abby Winters demanding I prove that I was a worthy affiliate, which I must admit was a bit strange in a business sense, but I understand their ethics in trying to make sure their models are respected.

And have some linklist owners here really declined someone's free sites due to "boring text"? That's a little subjective, don't you think? What qualifies as "exciting text"?

[digifan]

My site is down atm.. bummer

[digifan]

So I was referring this part about the tasteful presentation of the models which is not new at all, it says
"Use of any derogatory or negative terms or references to AW models such as bithc, cunt, whore, stupid or the like, is strictly prohibited".
That's fine with me.

Thanks Madmax!

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

One thing still bothers me is when a member talks about chopping off affiliate codes, she doesn't say anything to discourage him.

I found another post here (and yes I just quoted myself, lol):

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=6

Where Abby does clearly tell members not to clear cookies.

Originally Posted by Aspergian
When I first read this I made a mental note to make sure that I cleared ALL my cookies and went directly to www.abbywinters.com when I signed up for 3 month access this time.

ABBY: Eeek! You're not supposed to do that! No matter... but anyone else reading this, please don't kill your cookies.

[digifan]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

Swedguy... can you give more information? I haven't heard that assertion before - is there an example that they're teaching surfers not to use affiliate codes?

I got the email from Abby Winters demanding I prove that I was a worthy affiliate, which I must admit was a bit strange in a business sense, but I understand their ethics in trying to make sure their models are respected.

And have some linklist owners here really declined someone's free sites due to "boring text"? That's a little subjective, don't you think? What qualifies as "exciting text"?

Thank you Grandma, I was hoping others also post here and missed asking Swedguy the same question but I have no idea where it came from. I have to stick up with them, especially Abby despite being a very hard worker because they have been very helpful to me in email, on icq whenever I needed their help and in all possible ways. I have been treated extremely well always and I know I am not their #1 affiliate, there are lots more making more money to them. I did't get this email either, I suppose because we could contact each other always.

The exciting text theory is based on the fact that most surfers are still male and like to see some naughty text and girls talking to them dirty so they whip out the plastic easier but AW has their fans and followers and if I get rejected then i try and submit the galleries elsewhere. I always told myself the saying: a picture is worth 1000 words

Ignore that postscript please in my first post and feel free to "bash" me if you think so I deserve it, I am a survivor I can assure you

[MrYum]

I dunno...perhaps in some ways, I'm too soft and fuzzy for this biz. I've always loathed using derogatory terms for the models...even have a rule to that effect on FPP. Personally, I absolutely love women...and reserve those derogatory terms (rarely used)...for those that have given me a damn good reason on a personal level to use them.

As to the lack of referrals issue...that is a pretty crappy way to treat affiliates.

Declined for boring text? That's a new one on me too. I decline REGULARLY for text that's incomprehensible, but have never rejected a site for boring text

[digifan]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Since I promote AW, I did a little digging and found this post by Abby:

My main problem with the affs, is that I work my arse off 80, 90 hours a week to make the site as best as I possibly can. The staff I employ work hard as well, and they care about the site too. Yet I have to give away HALF of my gross to some lazy (six to ten hours a week's work) guys who make a few web pages with MY images, and post them on the net!?

Hardly seems fair...

http://forums.abbywinters.com/vbulle...2&page=1&pp=40

I know she doesn't know how hard most affiliates work so I won't hold those words against her, but considering affiliates get half of monthly and no rebills (basically 8 ~ 20 bucks/sale) I really think she is getting the better end of the deal.

Trust me she is working her ass off even on the weekends... and the stuff and models are her friends. I am doing some better sales like $44 sales and rebills are closer, introduced from April, did you know it?

[walrus]

Originally Posted by digifan

So I was referring this part about the tasteful presentation of the models which is not new at all, it says
"Use of any derogatory or negative terms or references to AW models such as bithc, cunt, whore, stupid or the like, is strictly prohibited".
That's fine with me.

Thanks Madmax!

LMAO, also known as the Walrus rule!!!

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by digifan

Trust me she is working her ass off even on the weekends... and the stuff and models are her friends. I am doing some better sales like $44 sales and rebills are closer, introduced from April, did you know it?

I've edited my post; re-read it please I know the rebills are coming. I just posted the thread swedguy must have been referring to. I have no complaints with the way she runs her business; I'll promote her even if she had no affiliate program.

[digifan]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

I've edited my post; re-read it please I know the rebills are coming. I just posted the thread swedguy must have been referring to. I have no complaints with the way she runs her business; I'll promote her even if she had no affiliate program.

I cached the page lol... then hit refresh and there goes the edited post and Mr Yum, respect to you for respecting women. I know that dirty talking can be a great sales pitch and that 90% of the surfers are guys but even non nude sells if you master it so we are not worse just different.

[digifan]

Originally Posted by walrus

LMAO, also known as the Walrus rule!!!

[MadMax]

My main problem with the affs, is that I work my arse off 80, 90 hours a week to make the site as best as I possibly can. The staff I employ work hard as well, and they care about the site too. Yet I have to give away HALF of my gross to some lazy (six to ten hours a week's work) guys who make a few web pages with MY images, and post them on the net!?

I just went over there to give that thread a read. I've got to say, I was a bit shocked and certainly disgusted that a program owner would trash her affiliates like that in public. If she feels her affiliates are such bloodsuckers, why bother to have the affiliate program? Oh, wait...affiliates DO send sales she wouldn't possibly have gotten otherwise. 50% of something is still WAY better than 100% of nothing, no matter how much you whine about it.