I need Advice

[maxelll3752]

Im thinking of starting a whole slew of TGP sites, how should I go about doing this and starting out, should I use AutoGallery SQL? or TGP rotator? I am just starting so I need some advice and the best way to start a niche set of tgp sites. Whats the best way to attack this and build traffic?

[Toby]

Q: How do you eat an elephant?

A: One bite at a time.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by maxelll3752

...I am just starting so I need some advice...

Aside from Toby's advice, which is spot on, that's a question that would take pages of text to answer.

So I have on short suggestion for you. Ignore this one at your own peril:

Come to On the Bench (aka "OTB") with MrMaryLou this afternoon at 3 PM (USA Eastern time).

I'm not sure yet what today's topic will be, but you can listen in using the info at http://www.greenguysboard.com/radio.html

To come into the chatroom with your IRC client, you'd use this info:
irc.greenguysboard.com
#greenguyandjim
port: 6667

There's a Java chat if you don't have your own IRC client. It's at http://www.greenguysboard.com/irc/

If you're new and you need advice, and maybe some help, on how to get going, then you really need to be at OTB every Saturday.

[WarBot]

Starting a bunch of niche tgp's...

Build all the sites
Get a copy of autogallery sql / pro for each (something that allows submissions)
Add sponsor free hosted galleries
Go to an auto-submitter place and suggest your site(s)
Go to the GG & Jim link & traffic trade section - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...isplay.php?f=4

How to get traffic? I think a common answer will be to get a bunch of traffic trades through a script. A good free traffic trade script is turbo traffic trader. You can skim gallery clicks to your traffic trades and mess with that until you find some good trades that send you good "productive" traffic. You will get visitors from your reciprocal buttons and from your traffic trades. Its important to have a very nice reciprocal button that stands out on the gallery and gets alot of clicks by the surfers.

I think the biggest problem you will run into is that you dont have any traffic of your own to send your sites (or do you?). The common mistake is to trade hard links with a ton of sites at the begining. I dont recommend this at all. I recommend that you totally forget about hard link trades until your sites are established and have some good traffic flowing from the traffic trades, recips and bookmarkers. THEN you try to trade up with some decent sites that will send you some good traffic.

Good luck with it

Cheers
WB

[Tommy]

Hey toby

I just clic ked on your tgp

and my google toor bar kept saying pop up blocked but only when i clicked some links

some links it did it on... and some it didnt

heres one that it wouldnt let open
http://www.babes-in-boots.com/cgi-bi...s=MTc5Njo1OjE1

I think you might wanna look at how your opening that link

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Tommy

Hey toby

I just clicked on your tgp

and my google toor bar kept saying pop up blocked but only when i clicked some links

some links it did it on... and some it didnt

heres one that it wouldnt let open
http://www.babes-in-boots.com/cgi-bi...s=MTc5Njo1OjE1

I think you might wanna look at how your opening that link

Hmmmm, I'm not able to reproduce your results using IE with Google toolbar. The thumb links are all using a simple HTML target="_blank", no javascript.

Is anyone else getting popup warnings on some of the thumb links like Tommy?

[WarBot]

I clicked about 15 links (thumbs and text) and got no pop-ups blocked with IE 6 and google toolbar.

[Simon]

Toby - I don't have a Google toolbar but I don't see any error messages in Safari, Firefox, or IE on the Mac platform.

WarBot (+ Maxelll) - Remember that if you build traffic based on trade scripts, there are sites which may not be interested in trading links with you later on. Surfers either do get exactly what they expect when they click a link or they don't. If you go the "don't" route, you can expect some difficulty getting links on sites that follow the "do" path. They won't want that to happen to their surfers.

[WarBot]

Simon, thats true. But with a traffic trade script you arent obligated to keep that traffic trade going. You can end it at any time by removing the script. And tgp's are alot different than link lists. For reasons that are only just becoming known to me, link lists get much more search engine traffic, tgp's generally dont. For that reason alone most tgp's shoot for mass traded traffic over the cross your fingers and toes and hope for a trickle of search engine traffic route. Whether "some" site will trade hard links with you down the road is irrelivant if youre not getting any visitors to your site and youre not making any money with it.

[Simon]

Skimming leads to getting fewer bookmarkers. More skimming, less bookmarkers.

So when you turn off the trade script, you're back to not having the mass traffic anymore.

Seems like if you were going to do that, you may as well not have the script there to start with.

I'm just advising that it's good to pick which path you want to build your site on, which way to you want to build your traffic.

If you're going to build for trade scripts, then that's your path. If you're not using trade scripts to skim gallery clicks, then that's your path.

Just don't expect to do both on the same site unless you're really good at filtering and segregating your traffic.

By the way, when you say "some" site like you did, putting it in quotes like that, you might give people the wrong impression. So just to be clear, what I meant was that there are many large and important sources of quality traffic that will not trade with you if you're circle jerking your traffic.

But no worries, there are still people making fortunes in the CJ game.

I mean, aren't there?

[WarBot]

Heres a short list of a few tgp's that skim to trades

http://www.boneprone.com
http://www.madthumbs.com
http://www.gigagalleries.com
http://www.thumbzilla.com
http://www.88by88.com
http://www.pichunter.com

Id have to say there are some people making alot of money off skim traffic sites.

Getting bookmarkers has little to do with IF you skim but more to do with how much you skim, who you skim to and possibly most importantly the quality of your galleries. If you have a very high clicks to trades youre probably not going to get alot of bookmarkers. If you skim to traffic trades with pop-ups, trojans, browser exploits, etc... youre probably not going to get alot of bookmarkers. If youre galleries arent high quality or if you just throw a bunch of fhg's you probably arent going to get alot of bookmarkers.

Skimming traffic and trading traffic doesnt guarantee a successful site. Especially if you have no traffic of your own to send to the site to feed your trades to start with. You will likely only get a trickle of visitors from galleries and it takes time to build up trades using only that traffic source.

[WarBot]

You will also notice that alot of those skim sites have some very nice hard link trades as well. I think if youre getting alot of daily visitors and have a good site (dont skim too much, nice galleries, nice looking site, etc...) you shouldnt have any problem trading hard links with other large, nice sites.

[maxelll3752]

OK that all sounds great, alot of good advice there for me, because I'm just starting out soon with TGP sites, I have some of my own sites to feed traffic too thats not a problem but its just not enough traffic thats the problem.

I currently have tgp rotator by jmbsoft but its not a user submited system, so should I go with Gallery SQL? for a trade script? I notice alot of people use it, they just want $90 bucks per license which is alot for a trade script but I am looking to spend some design money to have my tgp's done nice, does anyone have anyone in mind that can do a good job for me in tgp design, someone that does the full design/layout, and not just part of it. I'm so sick of paying design companies for half ass jobs and not getting the result I want. XXXoutsourcing was one of them whom I will never use again.

thanks guys for the advice I'm glad I started this topic.

[Mr. Blue]

Autogal SQL is a popular choice for tgps, I happen to use it on two of mine, but before you jump to buying it you should know that there are a few others that have options that might be more appealing to you, especially if you want to start up multiple tgps.

An example of a good tgp script that can handle multiple sites would be Vanilla TGP. I haven't used this, but I have used the demo and its a tight script. For a no skim version you're talking about $400 though (they also have a free version, but it'll skim 2% of your traffic) So, depending on your budget that might be something you don't want to do. Personally I'm thinking of changing over to vanilla tgp the second I have the time for it.

You can run multiple tgps off of one install of Autogal SQL. It doesn't break the license as you're only using one database. Do you plan on using multiple domains? If you do, you can call the page with a php include and it should work out nicely (I tried that on a series of pages just to see if it would work and it did). The submission form would be a little tricky, but you can figure it out

Trade scripts, there's plenty of good free trade scripts out there and they'll take a small skim of your traffic. Some scripts I've used. Arrow Trade Script...it takes a very nominal amount of your traffic and it's a pretty robust script. TTT is another tradescript that works well, easy to install, and they take 1% of your traffic. Personally I went to a no skim tgp model, but still use the tradescript for the toplists, etc.

Designer, I have a few that I'd recommend, but not sure how busy they are and if they do TGP designs.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by WarBot

Heres a short list of a few tgp's that skim to trades

boneprone.com, madthumbs.com, gigagalleries.com, thumbzilla.com, 88by88.com, pichunter.com

Id have to say there are some people making alot of money off skim traffic sites.

I agree that there are a small group of very successful TGP/MGP owners who make good money while using skimmed gallery traffic.

My caution is that if you're not already one of those guys, or don't have a close relationship with some of them, then you'll most likely be disappointed that your results are not what theirs are.

All I'm going to say is that if someone new to the biz tries to become a success by copying what they can see that the big TGP players are doing, they're likely to waste a lot of time. Most of how those guys make money in ways that's not readily apparent by just looking at their sites.

My guess is that of all the people who own/run skimmed traffic sites, less than 20% are making much money at it. And those who are making real money, aren't making it because of the skim.

All that said, it's up to each webmaster to pick their own path. And who knows, the next newcomer who opens a slew of skimmed TGPs may make a fortune.

It could happen.

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-- btw, Mr Blue's advice about using trade scripts for the toplist or top referrers sections of a site is a whole different thing than using them for gallery clicks, and many sites which don't skim gallery clicks are still using trade scripts for those things.

-- 2nd btw, I just noticed this was the TGP/TGP2(?) forum. For some reason I thought this was the Newbie forum until now, so much of my advice was being posted with the goal of showing a newcomer that there was more than one path to follow.

[Toby]

OK, my 2¢ on TGP skim...

Deciding to go skim or no-skim really depends on what kind of TGP you are planning to build, general or niche, and how else you plan to build traffic.

If you're building a general categorized TGP and have a number of other sites that you can use to send content relevant traffic to your new TGP then you can probably use that to build some initial traffic, develop some hard link trades and begin to slowly build your traffic.

If you don't have those other sites to draw traffic from then it's going to be very difficult to get your initial traffic to a point where you can sustain trades, without going out and buying traffic, which is another can of worms. Most non-skim TGPs still use a trade script to manage trades and create toplists. Getting into those toplists is critical for getting return traffic.

If you're building a true niche TGP then it's next to impossible to build traffic without skimming to trades. The key is to trade with other niche relevant TGPs so that the traffic will be productive for both parties, and to keep your skim at relatively low setting. Enough to maintain your trades, but low enough that your surfers get to see mostly content.

Regardless of what kind of TGP you build, having quality galleries updated on a consistant basis is an absolute must.

[maxelll3752]

Yes I'm going with Niche TGP designs, I just don't have a graphic designer yet which is not what I'm worried about. I have TGP Rotator (full) version, so your saying the full licensed versions of these scripts don't skim traffic right?

The first Niche I'm doing is Blowjob
Crazy4Blowjobs

I'm not really worried about graphics, content is the most important thing.

[Greenguy]

Please read thru any other threads that maxelll3752 has posted in before you give him any more advice & then make your own decisions.

[WarBot]

I need Advice

Ahh... never mind, too easy.