Auto submitters?

[cockhungryhoes]

I have been told to stay away from auto submitters. I am not totally sure why? I have been doing my daily link dumps. It's pretty time consuming and I think my time could be spent other wise. Is there a program I could use that would allow me to load the links in by hand, and then auto submit daily? Is there one thats free. Maybe a trial program I could test out?

[WarBot]

Ive used only 1 auto submitter before. It didnt allow me to enter my own sites to submit to into the database. It had its own database, categories, recips, etc... There IS a program that allows you to create your own database, add your own recips, etc... its called gass 2.0. But its not an auto-submitter its a submitter "assistant". You build your gallery template, add a special code where you want the recips to be, and it builds all the galleries for you. Then you use Gass + roboform to quickly submit your galleries.

The problem you refer to with auto-submitters isnt as bad some will tell you. There are thousands of tgp's that dont mind auto-submissions and some that wouldnt get any submissions at all if it werent for them. Alot of tgp's request to get auto-submissons. I think most auto-submitters have a auto and human mode. The auto submits to the tgp's that allow it the human allows you to double check the form info and requires you to hit the submit button yourself. Im not 100% sure how they work but I know thousands of webmasters use them and thousands of tgp's depend on their galleries to fill their daily list.

Recommended: Gass 2.0 and roboform (if youre just going to submit to link dumps) and Chameleon Submitter if youre going to submit to tgp's.

Not Recommended: Russian Submitter (the name says it all).

HTH
WB

[Useless]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

I have been told to stay away from auto submitters. I am not totally sure why?

Bottomline - if you aren't yet knowledgeable enough in this business to know why site owners don't want you using them, then you shouldn't be toying with them. You'll just end up getting yourself blacklisted all over the place.

[ronnie]

As already mentioned, it depends on what you are submitting. Galleries or free sites.

As for trying to use it on links lists, there's a good chance you'll get banned. Think the main problem with auto submitting to links lists, is you dont see the rules pages.

ronnie

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by ronnie

As for trying to use it on links lists, there's a good chance you'll get banned. Think the main problem with auto submitting to links lists, is you dont see the rules pages.

That, and by using an auto-submitter you've now lost control over an extremely important part of your business.

As a freesite builder, maintaining relationships with LL owners is the most important thing you can do... well... except make sales, of course.

[cockhungryhoes]

Thanks guys yea that explains it. I dont want to get banned. I care about my rep to much. I have been temporarly banned but it was accidently on some rules I broke by one site, but I truly didnt mean it. I just wanted to know if there was an easier way. I am tring to work smart as well as hard. Made my first sale. So I am pretty pumped.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

Thanks guys yea that explains it. I dont want to get banned. I care about my rep to much. I have been temporarly banned but it was accidently on some rules I broke by one site, but I truly didnt mean it. I just wanted to know if there was an easier way. I am tring to work smart as well as hard. Made my first sale. So I am pretty pumped.

Excellent choice

You'll find as you go along that your reputation in this business can either be a huge benefit...or an even BIGGER anchor around your neck.

Congrats on that first sale!!!

[WarBot]

I was reading some of these responses and I think the top 3 reasons webmasters dont like auto-submitters are

1.) cheaters almost all use auto-submitters (if they are going to cheat they probably arent going to submit by hand - most auto-submitters dont cheat but the ones that do spoil it for the rest),
2.) auto-submitters dont read the rules (which is kind of a mis-leading reason because most tgp's have basic, standard tgp rules. Ones that dont are maybe not worth the extra time?),
3.) auto-submitters dont see the sponsor ads on the submit page.

Its unfortunate that the cheaters have turned a great tool that can potentially make a submitter alot more money into a taboo to <u>some</u>. I dont know about link lists but tgp's are a completely different thing. Most tgp auto-submitters worth their salt have changed with the times. They have 2 databases, 1 is human-mode and the other is auto-mode. Human mode is for the big tgp's and the ones that dont allow auto-submissions. Auto mode is for the gazillion small tgp's and the ones that allow auto-submissions. If you know and follow the standard tgp rules and you build good galleries, you shouldnt have any problems with auto-submitting tgp galleries. I dont know which auto-submitter is best or worst but Ive heard chameleon submitter is good and russian submitter is bad. I wouldnt rule out auto-submitters though, they have been around for a long time and are used by alot of very successful submitters.

But auto-submitters arent for beginners. First you need to learn the basic tgp rules, you need to learn how to build galleries that get accepted, and most importantly you need to learn to build galleries that make sales. Tgp galleries can make you alot of money and they can also cost you alot of money. If you build a gallery that gets accepted all over the place, gets 100,000 visitors, but doesnt make you any sales. Youre probably going to go broke paying for your bandwidth / hosting bill.

I dont mind playing the devils advocate on this one I dont submit tgp galleries, I dont use an auto... anything, but I believe they are a great tool and if used properly can make a good tgp gallery submitter alot of moola.

Cheers
WB

[cockhungryhoes]

I still love this business and you know I never been happier over $35. I feel like I am 10 years old. I will say people think its so easy. They could not be more wrong. I used to think it too. I guess this is off topic, but its funny. Things look so different then how they appear. It was the same way when I used to run a medical marijuana store. I like this less stress.

[Beaver Bob]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

I still love this business and you know I never been happier over $35. I feel like I am 10 years old. I will say people think its so easy. They could not be more wrong. I used to think it too. I guess this is off topic, but its funny. Things look so different then how they appear. It was the same way when I used to run a medical marijuana store. I like this less stress.

where was this and was it legal? |confused|

congrats on your first sale!

[cockhungryhoes]

Ya I live in California, in the bay area. Yes. I got in the business to really help people. I did help some but there are so many people here that just have medical cards its a little hard. A friend of mine has a store and I had the like sister company that would do the deliveries. See out here pot gets delivered to your door. Oddly enough you can get pot at your door quicker then a police responce lol. I dont smoke or anything anymore, I just got burned out on the whole life it brings at that level and I wasnt helping people the way I wanted. Felt to much like a dope dealer and I didnt like that. Medical pot does work great for the right person, I do believe.

[WarBot]

Hi, I want to add some more comments about auto-submitting. I went and got a months worth of a popular auto-submitter and I have some things I want to share.

I submitted 3 movie galleries total over the page week.
http://www.fastfreeporno.com/july/26-susana-spears-ix3/
http://www.fastfreeporno.com/july/28-taylor-zl3/
http://www.fastfreeporno.com/july/29-crystal-a89/

The dates the galleries were submitted are july 26, july 27, july 28 (today).

The first thing I noticed is that most of the big tgp's require a partner account, either paid or free. Free partner accounts at big tgp's usually require you to give examples that are listed on other big tgp's.

Out of the 2000+ advertised tgp's about half of them require a partner account to submit. If you examine alot of those partner only tgp's most of them get very little traffic.

So without partner accounts you are looking at about 1000 tgp's. Then you figure in the niche specific tgp's, the ones that have your nameserver (your host...) blacklisted, the ones that are fake, the ones who have words such as "pre" and "te" banned, and the ones that have submit form errors and you come up with about 500 tgp's to submit to. Most of those tgp's are very small sending less than 5 visitors (usually zero), a few send over 50 and even fewer send over 100. My 1st gallery (http://www.fastfreeporno.com/july/26-susana-spears-ix3/) has recieved about 400 visitors so far.

Blacklistings... I have been blacklisted by at least 1 tgp (probably more after this post). My guess is that the script submitted to an incorrect category and the reviewer was having a bad day. But I really dont know why... After going through the submit logs I noticed my last "toying" gallery was submitted to a couple gay and lesbian only niche sites so there may be more blacklisting on the way.

My conclusion, auto-submitting isnt a good solution for a tgp submitter. A better solution would be to submit by hand to the larger tgp's and try to get some partner accounts and develop some trust with them. I dont think there is an easy route or a quick fix that can replace patience, hard work and trust.

Everyones results will be different than mine. I did only submit 3 galleries but I spent some time reading through the auto-submitters webmaster forum and I believe that my results are pretty common. There were even a few comments from long time auto-submitters that said that its not worth the time and effort to use an auto-submitter anymore.

Yep, I know this will put me in a bad light with some webmasters. I did use an auto-submitter and Im not offering any excuses about it. I wanted to make some money and I took what I thought was an easy or a quick fix route. You can draw your own conclusions about me. I didnt see the harm originally, but I think I learned a few important things from my experience and I wanted to pass them along. One being that there IS a reason webmasters dont like auto-submitters (inacurate submissions and you have to cheat to make any money with it) and another is that there are no quick fixes to replace hard work and developing trust with the site owners.

And thats it.

Thanks,
WB

[MrYum]

That pretty much sums it up WarBot

There was a time and a place for autosubmitters, but that time and place passed quite a while back. Now, it's pretty much an instant ban with link sites and a gradual ban with tgps. With the exception of the tiny tgps that are absolutely desperate for submissions.

Oh, and no bad light here man. Had you tried to use it for link lists...that's another story. But, if a tgp hasn't specifically banned autosubmitters...you weren't doing anything wrong. I doubt anyone here is going to give you grief about it.

[ronnie]

I think it was cool he told the story and was honest..

ronnie

[WarBot]

Hey Mr Yum & Ronnie,

But, if a tgp hasn't specifically banned autosubmitters...

Not all the sites in the database allow auto-submissions. But in the auto-submitters defense, the ones that dont are in the human mode, where you actually have to verify the info and hit the submit button yourself. So youre not auto submitting to them. Whether the tgp's distinguish between the 2 I dont know.

The bad thing is, now that tgp's are dead(ish) to auto-submitters and cheaters, link lists are the next likely target. I see by your other posts that its already happening.

On the bright side, Im quiting my life of crime and returning to my life as mild mannered free site submitter warbot. Im slowly learning that these rules are there for a reason, even if I dont understand or agree with them at first.

Cheers
WB

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by ronnie

I think it was cool he told the story and was honest..

ronnie

Does this mean you'll list my free sites now?

WB

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by WarBot

Hey Mr Yum & Ronnie,



Not all the sites in the database allow auto-submissions. But in the auto-submitters defense, the ones that dont are in the human mode, where you actually have to verify the info and hit the submit button yourself. So youre not auto submitting to them. Whether the tgp's distinguish between the 2 I dont know.

The bad thing is, now that tgp's are dead(ish) to auto-submitters and cheaters, link lists are the next likely target. I see by your other posts that its already happening.

On the bright side, Im quiting my life of crime and returning to my life as mild mannered free site submitter warbot. Im slowly learning that these rules are there for a reason, even if I dont understand or agree with them at first.

Cheers
WB

Yea, I'm pretty sure I know which submitter you're talking about. Actually, I used to use it a couple years ago. Even then, every round of submissions would result in multiple bannings from tgps. And I was very careful to only run full auto where allowed and go to manual where necessary. While in theory auto-submitters should be a good idea...in reality, they just don't work in todays (or yesterdays) market. They were probably great 4 or 5 years ago though

[WarBot]

Exactly. Theres just too much variation from one tgp to the other. Its almost impossible to guarauntee (i still cant spell that damn word) the correct info gets submitted.

I think auto-submitters should:

1.) Remove anyone from the db that doesnt want the galleries (or at least offer the option to submitters).
2.) Force sites that DO want the galleries to comply with certain rules to make sure the proper info gets submitted if the submitter entered all the info correctly into the script.
3.) Rules about partner only submissions (they should be required to get at least x amount of visitors per day to be partner only submits if they want auto-submits). Maybe even require participating sites to have a counter on their pages.
4.) auto-submitters should group the recips by site traffic. Big sites grouped with other big sites, little sites with other little sites, etc... Same thing, a counter on the pages of participating sites.
5.) auto-submitters should be their own police and give their best effort to stop cheaters (both submitters and site owners).

If site owners and auto-submitters ever teamed up they could do great things.

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by WarBot

Exactly. Theres just too much variation from one tgp to the other. Its almost impossible to guarauntee (i still cant spell that damn word) the correct info gets submitted.

I think auto-submitters should...

Sometimes I think I should quit drinking and posting |drunk|

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by WarBot

Sometimes I think I should quit drinking and posting |drunk|

Now, what fun would there be in that?

[g-color]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

Maybe a trial program I could test out?

If you wish to test out Chameleon, you might wanna take advantage from the company's latest promo: $10 off on every 3 months Chameleon Submitter license.

Or you can download the free demo here:
http://www.chameleonsubmitter.com/demo.php
Please, be aware that you can not submit with the demo but you can still browse the software like in the real version and you can exactly see, what are you gonna get once you decide to spend your pocket money on this.

On the Chameleon Webpage, there are also great Tutorials available. All made interactive in Flash, so you exactly see where are you supposed to write things to set it u easily and how to use this tool properly.

If you really want to give it a shot, there are even sponsors out there willing to buy you a license if you sign up to their program.

[cutie4life]

auto submitter is not the greatest submisson program, i am use dreamsubmitter.

[dRI-X]

pls continue,....im reading. =)