How many niches are you working with?

[iMan]

Hey,

I've built and submitted 17 sites over the last 2 months covering the same amount of niches, and I plan on trying as many different niches as I can find decent content for.

But I'm curious as to how many different niches all you free site bulders who's been at it for some time are working with..

Are you focusing on a single nich, a few, or a whole bunch?
Or are you doing anything whenever?

Thanks!

[KG Gary]

I've been submitting since March this year.
I'm starting to try different niches now, trying to find that special niche which I seem to be able to be successful with....
Previous main niches were:
Mature, hairy, pregnant, oral, bbw, and to a lesser degree amateurs, ethnic, and breasts.
Recently I've tried Hentai, pee, bisexual, voyeurism, and my last freesite was a teen solo girl site.

It's hard to tell which has been the best niche as there seems to be waves of popularity that I can't quite work out. Of course the amounts of traffic sent to each niche and the variety of sites promoted means it's tricky to pin down the "best", if there is one.
Hairy was great for me for a while, then BBW looked better. Mature has been quite solid, and voyeurism is looking promising. It's a long long learning curve!

[terry]

In my opinion you should focus more on one niche for a few weeks or months then try the next niche. Depending on where and how you are promoting these niches your traffic may have no interest in all these niches and you may never make money from them. Try focusing and finding out which niches work best for your traffic and enjoy the rewards.

I promote teen, smoking and cumshot because my traffic sources will convert this niche... took me a while to create these submit lists and its something I am always working on, adding and removing sites.

Good luck.

[Mateusz]

My free sites are spread into 35+ categories and I belive the more the better. Whats more, you will have to try various sponsors in same category since sponsorA dont convert well in teen category but its sites sell incredibly in mature category, on the other hand sponsorB has awesome teen sites but its mature sites suck

Originally Posted by terry

In my opinion you should focus more on one niche for a few weeks or months then try the next niche. Depending on where and how you are promoting these niches your traffic may have no interest in all these niches and you may never make money from them. Try focusing and finding out which niches work best for your traffic and enjoy the rewards.

Personally I do not agree.. as a reviewer myslef I find it very annoying, exactly as dareutwo mentioned, to see 10 (or more) sites in one category from one submitter day by day. I'd rather suggest to focus on one sponsor and go through its sites, changing category (if possible) every day.
Pick 3-5 sponsors go through all their sites 3 times, as I mentioned above, and you will know what sell well for you. Then take next 3 sponsors and do the same, then next 3. After few weeks/month you will be able to pick best selling sites and rotate categories each day - I'm quiet sure they wont be in the same category

[JustRobert]

In the beginning I wondered the same. Someone told me years ago that at first do the niche you like the best. At least while you are learning you are looking at stuff you like

If its babe or teen, for instance, you have a few categories to choose from at most LL's. There would be hair colors, breast size and clothing. This way you are still concentrating yet not submitting to the same cat every day. In there you may find something that clicks. Do not worry if your sponsor is not a dedicated lingerie site for instance. If many of the sponsor models wear lingerie before they get nekkid and so on, it will still be a fit and can still be sold. You can also drop a lingerie sponsor on that site as a cross sell. Somewhere within it all you will find something that sticks, at least for the moment.

[ponygirl]

I'm a niche hopper

I go from one to another like a hummingbird flitting around a field of flowers hehe.

Actually, I try one and see what happens then try another, then maybe go back to the first one...it really depends on my mood & the pics I have. Probably not the best way of doing it, but I just can't seem to settle down. If one works for a while, I stick with it then when it tanks I try another. I do stick to things I either like, or can relate to. Unfortunately, that doesn't narrow it down much

but I do have a great database of recips!

[iMan]

Thanks for your input everyone!

It's hard to tell which has been the best niche as there seems to be waves of popularity that I can't quite work out.
Of course the amounts of traffic sent to each niche and the variety of sites promoted means it's tricky to pin down the "best", if there is one.
Hairy was great for me for a while, then BBW looked better. Mature has been quite solid, and voyeurism is looking promising. It's a long long learning curve!

Yeah, in addition to force myself to create recips for each niche, my main reason to try one of each is to get an idea of what sells for me.. although I probably need many, many
more sites, using different sponsors, to be able to conclude which niche is working well... so I believe that it's a pretty long learning curve.
I don't get why there would be waves of popularity in this though, but I've read that before too..
Don't people just like what they like.... how can it be a "popularity" issue. Makes no sense to me

In my opinion you should focus more on one niche for a few weeks or months then try the next niche. Depending on where and how you are promoting these niches your traffic may have no interest in all these niches and you may never make money from them. Try focusing and finding out which niches work best for your traffic and enjoy the rewards.

Interesting!
Seems like that method would be very effective in determining whether a certain niche is working or not..
And perhaps, by quickly building a large number of niche specific sites, more traffic could be funneled to
a hub containing a greater number of free sites targeting their particular interest... thereby increasing the possibility for a sale..

I promote teen, smoking and cumshot because my traffic sources will convert this niche...
took me a while to create these submit lists and its something I am always working on, adding and removing sites.

3 niches that I haven't tried yet
How do you find out what your traffic will work for though?
I'm submitting my sites to as many LLs as possible and probably to pretty much the same places as every other FS builder,
so aren't we all getting virtually the "same" kind of traffic?
And if so, is it the traffic, or ones ability to sell a certain niche that will make the difference?

In the beginning I wondered the same.
Someone told me years ago that at first do the niche you like the best.
At least while you are learning you are looking at stuff you like

Sounds like a good idea to me
Although, that could be too distracting, and then probably LESS work will get done

If its babe or teen, for instance, you have a few categories to choose from at most LL's. There would be hair colors, breast size and clothing. This way you are still concentrating yet not submitting to the same cat every day. In there you may find something that clicks. Do not worry if your sponsor is not a dedicated lingerie site for instance. If many of the sponsor models wear lingerie before they get nekkid and so on, it will still be a fit and can still be sold. You can also drop a lingerie sponsor on that site as a cross sell. Somewhere within it all you will find something that sticks, at least for the moment.

So far I've been adding ads for niches that seem to be different yet related to the main sponsor I'm pushing for any given site.
So, if I have lingerie content, my main sponsor site would be a a lingerie specific site. In addition, maybe I'll add one add for a "Uniforms" site, and one for a "Porn Stars" site on the index and/or main page.
But are you saying that, in this scenario, you'd even promote a non lingerie [b]specific[b] sponsor site, say a brunette site, with content that's got a brunette in lingerie and submit it to the lingerie category of the LLs?

I'm a niche hopper

I go from one to another like a hummingbird flitting around a field of flowers hehe.

Actually, I try one and see what happens then try another, then maybe go back to the first one...it really depends on my mood & the pics I have. Probably not the best way of doing it, but I just can't seem to settle down. If one works for a while, I stick with it then when it tanks I try another. I do stick to things I either like, or can relate to. Unfortunately, that doesn't narrow it down much

but I do have a great database of recips!

Sounds kinda what I've been thinking of doing once I've tested every (within reason of course) niche at least once..
But now I'm thinking of focusing on a single one, or just a few, instead... hmmm...
Maybe making 10 sites of a single niche and if it's working, another 10 and so on... and the do the same with some other niche.

I'm seriously sick of making recips , and it would sure be nice to not spend as much time on that for now.

BTW, are Link lists in general ok with getting the same niche site submitted every day, or might the risk for blacklisting get greater?


Thanks again all, very appreciated!

[dareutwo]

Originally Posted by iMan

BTW, are Link lists in general ok with getting the same niche site submitted every day, or might the risk for blacklisting get greater?

(this is a pet peeve of mine)
Maybe not blacklisted, but don't plan on getting them all accepted. 1 per week generally works for me.
If you pick 7 niches, 1 site per week per niche you should be fine. Provided of course your sites have different layouts etc....

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by iMan

But are you saying that, in this scenario, you'd even promote a non lingerie [b]specific[b] sponsor site, say a brunette site, with content that's got a brunette in lingerie and submit it to the lingerie category of the LLs?

Yes I am. Some may not agree or think its a waste, but as dareutwo stated, "this is a pet peeve of mine" with subbing to the same category day in and day out.

It gives you a chance to try a different cat with what you like. Remember, if you like it then it makes it easier for you to sell it. So if you use different categories that your content fits you can still promote that brunette site, or what you like. Who says that the person looking in the lingerie category "just" wants to see that. They could be there cause some sexy outfits just tickled their fancy today. But just in case you give a link to a lingerie site this way you are covered. Just remember to drop in lingerie text in with promoting the brunette site like, Beautiful brunettes wearing the sexiest of naughty nighties blah blah blah.

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by iMan

Yeah, in addition to force myself to create recips for each niche, my main reason to try one of each is to get an idea of what sells for me.. although I probably need many, many
more sites, using different sponsors, to be able to conclude which niche is working well... so I believe that it's a pretty long learning curve.
I don't get why there would be waves of popularity in this though, but I've read that before too..
Don't people just like what they like.... how can it be a "popularity" issue. Makes no sense to me

I dunno... but I've noticed some niches sell better on Sunday night, other's sell better mid-day during the week. My guess is, different folks with different strokes get on at different times, so why not be an equal opportunity slinger of sexy?

Originally Posted by iMan

Interesting!
Seems like that method would be very effective in determining whether a certain niche is working or not..
And perhaps, by quickly building a large number of niche specific sites, more traffic could be funneled to
a hub containing a greater number of free sites targeting their particular interest... thereby increasing the possibility for a sale..

Emphasis on the niche flavored hub.

Originally Posted by iMan

I'm submitting my sites to as many LLs as possible and probably to pretty much the same places as every other FS builder,
so aren't we all getting virtually the "same" kind of traffic?
And if so, is it the traffic, or ones ability to sell a certain niche that will make the difference?

Not necessarily. Each LL is stronger with some categories and weaker in others. Wether it's the traffic or the selling ability, it's still up to you, the marketer, to put together the complete package.

Originally Posted by iMan

I'm seriously sick of making recips , and it would sure be nice to not spend as much time on that for now.

Just make them once, keep them in your own database, and you won't have to worry about it again.

Originally Posted by iMan

BTW, are Link lists in general ok with getting the same niche site submitted every day, or might the risk for blacklisting get greater?

Not really. You'll get much better results if you spread the love.

[Xallow]

I am currently submitting to Teen and Anal every other day, that seems to be ok

[lelahosting]

i only do a few
mine are
teen
latina
babe
bj
facial

some of the niches are interchangeable...

[iMan]

Originally Posted by dareutwo

(this is a pet peeve of mine)
Maybe not blacklisted, but don't plan on getting them all accepted. 1 per week generally works for me.
If you pick 7 niches, 1 site per week per niche you should be fine. Provided of course your sites have different layouts etc....

Ok, so 7 niches it is then... or 4 with 4 sites/week

Originally Posted by Xallow

I am currently submitting to Teen and Anal every other day, that seems to be ok

And you're getting away with that submitting 7 sites/week?

Originally Posted by JustRobert

Yes I am. Some may not agree or think its a waste, but as dareutwo stated, "this is a pet peeve of mine" with subbing to the same category day in and day out.

It gives you a chance to try a different cat with what you like. Remember, if you like it then it makes it easier for you to sell it. So if you use different categories that your content fits you can still promote that brunette site, or what you like. Who says that the person looking in the lingerie category "just" wants to see that. They could be there cause some sexy outfits just tickled their fancy today. But just in case you give a link to a lingerie site this way you are covered. Just remember to drop in lingerie text in with promoting the brunette site like, Beautiful brunettes wearing the sexiest of naughty nighties blah blah blah.

Great points. I never thought about doing it this way but it makes total sense.
A few times when picking sponsor site to promote, I've gone to some LLs to check what's most commonly promoted... and then I've decided to push something that I didn't see very much of.
And your way would take that a step further.
Thanks for that tip

Originally Posted by virgohippy

I dunno... but I've noticed some niches sell better on Sunday night, other's sell better mid-day during the week. My guess is, different folks with different strokes get on at different times, so why not be an equal opportunity slinger of sexy?

That's funny. And anyways, if there are trends in what kind of porn people like, I don't need to understand it to make money off it

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Not necessarily. Each LL is stronger with some categories and weaker in others. Wether it's the traffic or the selling ability, it's still up to you, the marketer, to put together the complete package.

I guess I need to submit many more sites and build my own traffic generating site/hub/LL before I can get a feeling of what my traffic will work best for.

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Just make them once, keep them in your own database, and you won't have to worry about it again.

Yup, I'm not done with the "once" just yet though.....

Originally Posted by lelahosting

i only do a few
mine are
teen
latina
babe
bj
facial

some of the niches are interchangeable...

Cool. Yeah I might focus on small groups of related niches instead..


Thanks all!

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by iMan

Great points. I never thought about doing it this way but it makes total sense.
A few times when picking sponsor site to promote, I've gone to some LLs to check what's most commonly promoted... and then I've decided to push something that I didn't see very much of.
And your way would take that a step further.
Thanks for that tip

Not a problem, virgohippy told me ya make nice sites so you will find what sticks for you soon enough.

[iMan]

Originally Posted by Mateusz

My free sites are spread into 35+ categories and I belive the more the better. Whats more, you will have to try various sponsors in same category since sponsorA dont convert well in teen category but its sites sell incredibly in mature category, on the other hand sponsorB has awesome teen sites but its mature sites suck




Personally I do not agree.. as a reviewer myslef I find it very annoying, exactly as dareutwo mentioned, to see 10 (or more) sites in one category from one submitter day by day. I'd rather suggest to focus on one sponsor and go through its sites, changing category (if possible) every day.
Pick 3-5 sponsors go through all their sites 3 times, as I mentioned above, and you will know what sell well for you. Then take next 3 sponsors and do the same, then next 3. After few weeks/month you will be able to pick best selling sites and rotate categories each day - I'm quiet sure they wont be in the same category

I can imagine that... and intend to try "every" category eventually.. but right now I must get rid of this recip-making carpal tunnel and strange neck spasm the creation of 4049 recips have gotten me
so I was curious to hear what others do and what's acceptable.

So, it seems that there must be a good balance in number of niches to specialize in, and still make sure that the span of niches is big enough to avoid rejections because of that.

So far "Lesbians" is doing the best for me, but with just 1 site under the belt, it doesn't say much
So I realize that I have to explore many more areas before I can decide what works best for me.

I like your idea of going through all sites of a sponsor... I might try that.
But there are so many sponsors, SOO many nice sites to promote and so little time!
And what if the sponsor turn out to suck after 50 sites built for 'em?

Originally Posted by JustRobert

Not a problem, virgohippy told me ya make nice sites so you will find what sticks for you soon enough.

That's very nice of him
But then again, he's a very nice and helpful guy.. tell him thanks!

Btw, I added your LL to my DB as well and I hope that you'll like my sites as well

[Mateusz]

Originally Posted by iMan

And what if the sponsor turn out to suck after 50 sites built for 'em?

Of course, I know what you mean and you are right. But just imagine situation when you have most of your free sites promoting one particular sponsor - you are doing extremly well but one day the sponsor quits the biz or makes huge changes in its affiliate program.

Good example would be maxcash - 2 years or so they closed most of their niche sites and redirected incoming traffic to to new, rather general, sites. I've seen many webmasters complaining and removing their links because sales dropped dramatically


PS. I wouldnt be fair if I didnt mention that much changed since that time in maxcash and they have some ass kicking sites again

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by iMan

Btw, I added your LL to my DB as well and I hope that you'll like my sites as well

Thanks, I can always use "good" submitters

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by iMan

That's very nice of him
But then again, he's a very nice and helpful guy.. tell him thanks!

Where's the blush smilie? *blush*

You're more than welcome iMan; and thank you.

Isn't it nice to know reviewers talk about submitters behind their backs.

[stuveltje]

i cover with my free sites and domains almost every niche which is around, from anal to snotty girls? ( i believe those are gone now) some i sell good some niche i hardly sell, but who cares, never put all in one basket.......just try it and find out what sells for you...but try all