Free Sites and google

[thetgirls]

Hi FS Makers an reviewers.
I have more than 6 months submitting FS to 60 LL aprox with this domain: thetgirls.com
I made some hubs, link trades, etc...but I still have not Search engines enough traffic.

1-I think it could be because for posting to 60 LL, y make 4 different index. (Duplicate content).
Do you think its to bad for Google?

2-What should i do or stop doing to my FS have SE traffic?

Thanks people.

[Mr Spock]

How do you define " not enough SE traffic" ? How much Se traffic are you getting at present?

[oldbrad]

Maybe switching up the text on each doorway will help. Also, how old is your domain? Give it some time and get some more quality link and you should get some more traffic, especially to your hubs.

Brad

[Den]

nevertheless, pagerank 3 is quite good for a rather new site.

[spacemanspiff]

Try doing a site:domain.com search, like this

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...:thetgirls.com

If you see a lot of repetition in the serps, then there's a good chance you have will have problems with dupe content. The more you change on each doorway (titles, metas, text on page, ads, recip tables, etc) the better your chances for getting SE traffic.

Yours doesn't look too bad.

[bDok]

Is that 6 months of submitting every day? How many sites have you actually submitted?

Not counting duplicating them for submission..ie new doorway pages with different recips.

[stfuvt]

I am in the same situation, but some free sites get more traffic from SEs than others and I find that they are the ones with the most text
I don`t know if this helps, but I will be happy to know whats good traffic from SEs for submitting free sites. How much do you get?

[thetgirls]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

How do you define " not enough SE traffic" ? How much Se traffic are you getting at present?

30-50 visits per month

[thetgirls]

Originally Posted by bDok

Is that 6 months of submitting every day? How many sites have you actually submitted?

Not counting duplicating them for submission..ie new doorway pages with different recips.

Not every day.
Tottal 100-150 unique FS aprox.

[thetgirls]

So now, I have a question:
What is better?:

1-Do only 1 Fs with 15 recips aprox and not duplicate doorways? (good for SE traffic)

2-Duplicate the same FS for the others LL. (more LL traffic)

3-Duplicate the same FS for the others LL changing texts, metas, etc...(good for SE traffic, more LL traffic but MORE WORKING TIME !!!)

[Greenguy]

I took a peek at your SE listings & while I'm far from an expert, you do need to read up a bit more on creating your sites so that you have a chance at getting decent listings in the SE's. Some things I saw were:

1 - every title started with 3 dash's:
---Free Site Title---
You don't need the dash's

2 - the text that the SE has with your listing is exactly the same on over 1/2 the listings - and it's the text from your warning area. You can do 2 things:
a - spice up the warning text
b - change around the templates so that a decent description of the site is the text the SE sees

[spacemanspiff]

2 - the text that the SE has with your listing is exactly the same on over 1/2 the listings - and it's the text from your warning area. You can do 2 things:
a - spice up the warning text
b - change around the templates so that a decent description of the site is the text the SE sees

I see this a lot. W/Ms using the same warning text at the top of every site. Probably because it's an easy copy and paste to get something on the page. But it can lead to some pretty spammy results on a site:domain.com search, and more and more everyone is reluctant to link to anything spammy.

That warning crap is not required by law, and I don't know of any LLs that require it. Some require a warning page, but most just want an index.html page of some sort.

Bottom line, if you want SE traffic, and listings on a lot of LLs, then mix things up as much as you can.

Use your templates, but use them wisely, grasshopper.

[MrYum]

I'm in complete agreement with da Spaceman

I've even dropped a couple 'tips' posts on this subject.
Free Site Templates
Free Site Meta Tags Tips hint...these can't hurt you either, if used wisely

Greenie is right too...those hyphens can't be doing you any good.

I'd say your best bet is to get some unique text on future sites. And on every page of every site, change the text. Search engine spiders couldn't care less about pictures/banners/images. It's text they eat, and if they see the same or similar text over and over again...it's no soup for you.

Your templates themselves actually look pretty good, so well done on that front

You wouldn't believe the number of submitters who simply change out the pics and re-submit identical sites

[oldbrad]

Personally, i like to use one index page with 20 or less recips. Stay away from the image ones if you try it.

Beyond those main ones, depending on niche, the traffic won't be that great so you won't be missing out so to speak.

Now, traffic doesn't equal sales or quality. When i did doorways, i noticed a better ratio with smaller traffic from smaller sites.

Personally on my link list, mature and sex story are my best categories. I get hundreds of se hits a day to these categories. Other sites are the same for particular niches, so don't always pick the biggest 15 or 20 sites, but the ones that give your niche the best traffic.

Brad

[alvarez]

I always took the time to think when making a free site and I have a fair success with them regarding to SE.
You can not have too many keywords but too little is neither good, also its necessary to think about the right phrase and optimalize your site according to that – those who are mingy and wanna be the first never succeed. J

Another thing I have been telling before too is that I don’t submit to 20 big LL sites only, but I try to submit to as much sites as possible. That’s how I have been always doing it and remain so. At this time I have Chameleon LL Submitter and it helps a lot. It’s a cool tool and its database contains sites that few people know, but they still have top positions in SE though. I get signups directly from these LL sites but secondary, once the Free Sites get indexed to SE I start to receive traffic and sign ups from there as well (not only from phrase searching but from image searching as well).

[thetgirls]

Originally Posted by Greenie

a - spice up the warning text

What do you mean with "spice up" ?
Thanks.

[ClickBuster]

Basic SE requirements:

- You need to have a keyword scheme

- In order to have a good SERP for a page keyword, it need to have the keyword repeated more than once

- Each keyword repetition is measured in percentage per text

- Each keyword should represented as a description of the page's content

- You shouldn't target more than 1 keyword per page, because you're a free site builder, it's not like developing a big site for SE results

- Mirroring is bad for your SERPs! While Google is looking for 85%+ similarity, the fact that there are MANY pages over 60% similarity wouldn't do you good. Otherwise said - you mirror your pages - Google knows! Use different doorways, link to the same main, gallery1, gallery2 pages.

- Don't underestimate the Sandbox process... It takes 3-9 months to get out of there

- Google is threating different pages differently, but they threat your whole domain equality - fuckup on 3 of your free sites and you get bad rep for all of your subpages

- Google likes filenames... filenames are declared by the creator of the site. If you put enough effort in making your fielnames meaningful, Google will appreciate it, being it CSS files, Images or HTML pages - everything is important

- Linkback - it's not important how many LL's you submit to, what it counts is who's actually linking back to you and for how long - traffic is a good thing, but with free sites it doesn't last much

- Make sure your HTML is valid. For instance, every fucking image should have an ALT tag!

- Optimize your HTML for blind readers. If you can make a blind reader software read your site properly - then you really have a SE optimized HTML page. That's the same way the SE's see your sites. If you can diable your page's CSS and still read it properly - then you've made it

- Don't waste your outbound links! Put rel="nofollow" on your sponsor links, for the SE's that is you never linked out your free site

- Don't forget inner linking. A site should always have inner linking. Without it, the only thing we can count on are the back and forward buttons of our browsers - a bot, like each surfer, should be able to travel your site without a back/forward history buttons in its "browser"

- Use the newest technology... RSS feeds, Google sitemaps, CSS/DIV based sites - these're a must nowdays - otherwise your site is out of date

Enough said... Somebody should put 5 stars on this thread, because I'm not repeating myself again!!!

[thetgirls]

Originally Posted by ClickBuster

- Don't waste your outbound links! Put rel="nofollow" on your sponsor links, for the SE's that is you never linked out your free site

Are all LL agree with this?
I think some could see it no good.


Thanks to you and all who answer.

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by thetgirls

Are all LL agree with this?
I think some could see it no good.

Good enough reason to stop submitting to them. My submit list is too long anyway.

[oldbrad]

I was submitting to links to sex or a similar sounding site, not sure what it was off hand. They added a script that would not allow nofollows at all, even on sponsor links, so i emailed them about the problem and then dropped it after no response.

I haven't had any other issues with using nofollow, but only on sponsor links.

Brad

[tigermom]

I usually have nofollow on sponsor links and never had problems with it. Sponsors are not link partners - you're not hurting anyone by placing a nofollow on that ugly redirect piece of code. Just make sure you never ever place a nofollow on a recip or any other link exchange.