"Red Rose" takes guilty plea due to Agoraphobia

tickler · 2008-05-19, 04:22 PM

Seems Karen is pleading guilty rather than being forced to leave her home to attend trial.

Government scores victory against woman who can't leave her house
Of all the people in the United States posting sexually explicit text to Internet sites, the government chose agoraphobic Karen Fletcher to indict for text-based obscenity - and now that she's pleading guilty, it's not unreasonable to ask, "Why Karen?"
http://www.avn.com/law/articles/30261.html

Useless · 2008-05-19, 04:25 PM

And we know, as the government with all of its resources must also have known, that this poor indigent invalid was so scared of nearly everything that she could barely go out of her house - not to go shopping at the mall, not to go to the movies, not to attend a sports game - not to do any of the things that give more sane people pleasure.

She probably became agoraphobic when she realized that there were a lot of parents out there that would enjoy burying a boot up her sick ass.

Lemmy · 2008-05-19, 04:42 PM

I become all sorts of phobic when I learn that the government goes after people for publishing fictional stories, regardless of how sick and distasteful I personally might or might not find them.

Ms Naughty · 2008-05-19, 06:09 PM

I have to say, it is disturbing that the government has won a case about "text obscenity." It doesn't matter if the stories were disturbing... they were STORIES. Made up. Written down. Not real.

Think of the book Clan of the Cave Bear. That book has a scene of child rape and lots of violence. When are they going after that?

Useless · 2008-05-19, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

I have to say, it is disturbing that the government has won a case about "text obscenity." It doesn't matter if the stories were disturbing... they were STORIES. Made up. Written down. Not real.

Be happy that they aren't going after "thought obscenity" yet. That will be next.

Ms Naughty · 2008-05-19, 10:26 PM

The case does have a distinct "thought crime" feel to it.

I found this story about the case
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08138/882650-85.stm

Seems that Karen Fletcher may have been a victim of child abuse herself and the stories were a means of expression for her. That's what her lawyer says anyway.

But even if this was just some nasty person making money from CP fantasies... it's still just text.

I blogged about this today. The whole thought crime thing is starting to creep into law enforcement. In Australia the cops raided the home of some guys who are allegedly extreme Islamists. There was no evidence of a crime. The cops simply did it to "send a message" that the guys were being watched.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...765174146.html

Trixie · 2008-05-19, 10:57 PM

This stuff is all very depressing. They've got too many people (who are paying attention, which is too few people) scared to openly defend her because of the kid stuff. This is the perfect way for them to criminalize thought, by focusing on speech that is so disturbing no one wants to defend it. I wonder if it's a ploy to make all the "bleeding heart liberals" look bad because if they dare say anything critical of cases like this, their words could so easily be taken out of context / oversimplified to make them/us sound crazy freaks defending the supposedly indefensible.

2008-05-19, 04:22 PM	#1
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	"Red Rose" takes guilty plea due to Agoraphobia Seems Karen is pleading guilty rather than being forced to leave her home to attend trial. Government scores victory against woman who can't leave her house Of all the people in the United States posting sexually explicit text to Internet sites, the government chose agoraphobic Karen Fletcher to indict for text-based obscenity - and now that she's pleading guilty, it's not unreasonable to ask, "Why Karen?" http://www.avn.com/law/articles/30261.html __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2008-05-19, 04:42 PM	#3
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	I become all sorts of phobic when I learn that the government goes after people for publishing fictional stories, regardless of how sick and distasteful I personally might or might not find them. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2008-05-19, 06:09 PM	#4
Ms Naughty old enough to be Grandma Scrotum Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,408	I have to say, it is disturbing that the government has won a case about "text obscenity." It doesn't matter if the stories were disturbing... they were STORIES. Made up. Written down. Not real. Think of the book Clan of the Cave Bear. That book has a scene of child rape and lots of violence. When are they going after that? __________________ Promote Bright Desire

2008-05-19, 10:26 PM	#6
Ms Naughty old enough to be Grandma Scrotum Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,408	The case does have a distinct "thought crime" feel to it. I found this story about the case http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08138/882650-85.stm Seems that Karen Fletcher may have been a victim of child abuse herself and the stories were a means of expression for her. That's what her lawyer says anyway. But even if this was just some nasty person making money from CP fantasies... it's still just text. I blogged about this today. The whole thought crime thing is starting to creep into law enforcement. In Australia the cops raided the home of some guys who are allegedly extreme Islamists. There was no evidence of a crime. The cops simply did it to "send a message" that the guys were being watched. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...765174146.html __________________ Promote Bright Desire

2008-05-19, 10:57 PM	#7
Trixie Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near Seattle WA Posts: 183	This stuff is all very depressing. They've got too many people (who are paying attention, which is too few people) scared to openly defend her because of the kid stuff. This is the perfect way for them to criminalize thought, by focusing on speech that is so disturbing no one wants to defend it. I wonder if it's a ploy to make all the "bleeding heart liberals" look bad because if they dare say anything critical of cases like this, their words could so easily be taken out of context / oversimplified to make them/us sound crazy freaks defending the supposedly indefensible. __________________ A Girl, a Guy, and a Tranny - Unique Indie Porn!

2008-05-19, 04:25 PM	#2
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	And we know, as the government with all of its resources must also have known, that this poor indigent invalid was so scared of nearly everything that she could barely go out of her house - not to go shopping at the mall, not to go to the movies, not to attend a sports game - not to do any of the things that give more sane people pleasure. She probably became agoraphobic when she realized that there were a lot of parents out there that would enjoy burying a boot up her sick ass.