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Old 2009-11-03, 09:23 PM   #1
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My 2nd Day with Chameleon LL

In a previous thread, I asked how to spend my first $200 made from last month.

I purchased a new basic hosting account with occ for $6.95, for some reason, the site is still not up after 3 days since updating the name servers. They have a 30 day refund policy. If the site is not up before then, I'm going to get the refund. I'll keep you posted.

I purchased 1 month of chameleon link list submitter $24.95. I have to say, it's impressive.

Day 1
I spent my yesterday designing a standard warning page, entry page, and 2 galleries using vendor provided content. That took about 2 hours.

Then I started up chameleon, updated the recipts, and started pluggin away. It took me a solid 3 hours learning it and getting everything setup. There is a moderate learning curve, but it wasn't bad. Not as intuitive as it could be. Still a couple of options I'm not sure about what they are for.

Then I started submitting. The auto submit was fast and painless. The manual submit is quite a chore the first time. Mostly just trying to read the captchas, some of them are very hard to read. Took me about 3 hours to submit to a list of 200 sites total.

Day 2
Today I got home from work and couldn't wait to get started. I now have the templates setup and a good idea of how to use chameleon. This time it only took about 15 minutes to build a new free site with 2 galleries using the templates I made yesterday. About another 10 minutes setting up chameleon to submit the new free site, then about 1 hour to auto and manual submit. Finally, about 5 minutes to do the email confirmations.

I get about a 5% rejection rate. I think I can get this down to less than 1% once I get a handle on everything. Some of them were for bad descriptions, submitting twice by accident, and some I'm not sure why.

I'm getting emails regularly now from those sites accepting my galleries. Most of them say it takes 1 or 2 days to get listed.

I'm going to submit about 1 free site everyday this month and see how much I earn. I'm promoting a single sponsor for this project that I want to compare to last month where I did very little, yet earned $93.

If I get real ambitious, I'm going to submit free sites on another domain promoting different sponsor.
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Old 2009-11-03, 10:31 PM   #2
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mark6188 promoting the same sponsor over and over and using same set of templates all the time is not good idea. You may get rejected for that or else banned.Try to use different sponsors 3 or 4 , different niches and few different set of templates for start, You can mix them later.
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Old 2009-11-03, 10:59 PM   #3
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Damn, didn't think of that. Good point! Now gotta think of which sponsors to promote. I have fling.com which converting well on it's own, but now sure how well it would do as a free site. Maybe twistys. Their free content seems ripe for populating free sites.

Should I keep using the same username and email when submitting different domains and/or niches? It would be easier to track some things this way, but I don't want the LL owners to think I'm trying to do anything sneaky.

Thanks again, pclit.

Just when I thought I was done for the night.
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Yes keep the same email and username. You can use sponsor custom campaigns to track your sales.
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Old 2009-11-04, 10:39 AM   #5
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Keep us posted. Let us know the 1st month results.
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Old 2009-11-04, 05:01 PM   #6
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Well, I'm on day 3 and I am now starting to see some traffic come in.
About 600 uniques today, and the day is not over.

I've submitted a total of 3 free sites off 2 domains. One promoting totem, the other promoting trafficcash.

I was wondering if you all could take a quick peek at the sites. They are clean (maybe too clean). I simply copied the layout of the sponsor hosted galleries the best I could. Didn't want to reinvent the wheel.

My dreamweaver skills area bit rusty, but getting the hang of it. I simply used the gallery builder in dreamweaver, then copied the result into a template.

I am following the suggestions from pclit by promoting different sponsors. So today I picked Trafficcash - casting couch teen.

They gave what I thought was a ton of free picture content. Each model has like 400+ pics to download. However, that number is a bit deceiving. I could only really use about 30-40 of those for the galleries. The pics are in a series and every 5 or 6 are virtually identical. The first 20 have the girl fully dressed.

Totem on the other hand gives 16 pics in a series for each gallery that can be used as is. Saves me some time since I don't have to cherry pic.

Anyway, appreciate anyone following me on this forum and thank you for all the feedback and help.

Here are the two I have approved/active right now getting traffic.

http://modellane.com/g-stacy-silver/kinky/

http://insanelyhot.com/free/kara-novak1/imgs/
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What is the title of those free sites? That should be right at the top.

Why are you promoting adult affiliate programs? Your target is surfers not webmasters.

http://insanelyhot.com/free/kara-novak1/imgs/ has hardcore on the warning page. Some linklists do not allow that. Also the first gallery is softcore and the second gallery is hardcore. Some linklists do not allow that either.

Content is rather boring, but other than that it's a good start.
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Hmmm, some good points.

Didn't think about the hardcore on the warning page, I'm so jaded already from looking at pics all day, didn't even see the hardcore.

I'll remove the affiliate program link, you're right on target with that one. Not sure what I was thinking.

I'll remember not to mix the hard/soft stuff on the next gallery. Another subtle tweak that I overlooked.

Except for the pics in the galleries, I think I can fix all of the above pretty quickly.

Thanks for looking, I'm so glad I asked. Next freesite/gallery will be better.
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Old 2009-11-04, 06:06 PM   #9
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@howlingwulf

Okay, replaced the hardcore image on the warning page.
Removed the adult affiliate program link - I now remember what I was thinking when I put it there. I wanted to get some anchor text link juice to my adult webmaster site. I really didn't expect any clicks on it.

As far as the freesite title, not sure what to do here. Do you mean put the domain name like "Insanely.com Presents Kara Novak" or just a site title like "Kara Novak Audtions". Also, should the title be linked back to the warning page? Or can it just be part of the header graphic?

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Old 2009-11-04, 07:14 PM   #10
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Glad HowlingWulf mentioned the title because I was just about to send you a pm about this. Reviewing a virtualgirl site submitted to me I noticed no title on it and its in your best interest to have one.

It should be on the index/warning at least and it would be wise to have it in your title tag as well. Something like..Sexy Babe Nikki, Nikki Case Strips, Sultry Blonde Vixen or whatever. Check listed sites for better understanding if necessary.

I would read over GG's rules here again. You will notice template use 1 a month for regular subs. Think of it this way, if you can get your site listed at GG's you will more then likely get it listed everywhere else.

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I checked out a few links and see how the title is used. Easy enough. I'm assuming the benefit of the title is for SEO?

The GG rules are comprehensive. I think I'm inline with all of them except for the java script. I use google analytics. Although the awstats on the host are nice, I really like the perspectives I get on google.

The 1 template per month rule is a little vague to me. Does that mean I have to create new templates every month? Or am I limited to using 1 template per month? Or can I use a new template everyday?

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A lot of sites are lax on the template rule but it would be in your best interest to have a new template layout for each day of the month you are planning to sub a freesite. If you are going to submit every day then 30 templates would set you up nicely.

Build a new design every day the first month and then reuse those templates the following months changing and adding designs in future months will keep you going.

If that seems overwhelming then build new design/submit every other day for the first month then reuse those the next month while building new ones inbetween those. At the end of second month you are set.

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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I think I can do that. This is really starting to turn into work. I think I have a couple of hours left tonight before I pass out, see if i can make one more template. Gonna submit a milf site tomorrow.
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I may be missing something but the totem cash site only has 1 outgoing link? the long skyscraper add along the left that says 'free download' is not clickable for me, nor is the 'file cluster labs' button..so te only ad link I see is at the very top? Am I the only one seeing that? And on the 2nd site, it seems you're only utilizing two of three outgoing links. You're allowed 3 why not use them.
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Hi,

Those two are my first templates. I'm still a little rusty with the html, so I'll have to go back and work on adding those links. I set the images as background, I'll have to rework the template so the the images are foreground and can be made clickable.

I'm starting to get a grip on it, if you check out my new templates, they are getting better.

http://classyride.com/freepics/ride/adults/

http://modellane.com/g-addison-rose/sweet/

Even the above galleries are still a bit shy on the links. Guess it's just my personality. I'll make sure to put up 3 links on my next free site tomorrow.

Thanks for the feedback.

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I'm logging my daily work on my blog (see my sig). I didn't want to bore everyone in the forum with every detail. But if you're interested, I'd love your feedback there too. I still have a ton of questions, but I figure that I'll get most of them answered through hard work and sweat.

It drives me nuts when I see people asking questions that they could have just as easily answered for themselves if they had just tried a little.
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Old 2009-11-24, 10:10 AM   #16
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I'm new to submitting to LL too but wonder why you put javascript (google analytics) on your freesites, isn't that against the rules of lots of link lists?
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Old 2009-11-24, 10:57 AM   #17
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@Max

Yes, I stop putting google analytics shortly after I started getting more rejects.

99% Seem to allow counters and google analytics, but some reject any javascript.

I just have to get used to using the host's stats and sponsor tracking ids. Not all sponsors have tracking ids (virtuagirl in my case), so I'm losing some tracking ability the way I submit right now. I'm working on other ways, like directory and filename structures so it's easy to spot traffic juice, but it's not as nice as google analytics.
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Hmm.. Just had an idea for chameleon, I guess it wouldn't be too hard to code feature that creates the doublicated pages differntly according to the rules of the TGPs, so let's say a tgp (or in this case link list) doesn't allow javascript, it will be stripped out for this individual gallery while it stays in the source for sites that do allow it..
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Old 2009-11-25, 10:54 AM   #19
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@max

I think you would need to create a separate gallery/freesite with the javascript, then create a group that accepts java and submit those using that gallery/freesite.
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