Paint shop pro user licence

Davevjr · 2003-09-10, 06:45 PM

I Bought a copy of paint shop pro on ebay. I had to contact customer service becuase this version turned out have a password on it before install and directed me to register the product before use. this is psp5. I contacted jasc and they refuse to give me password and claim that it is un unlicence copy. personally i think this is a bunch of crap. the idea that you are not allowed to sell your own software is crap to me. They say they still own the copyright. Here is what I say FUCK JASC SOFTWARE!

Cleo · 2003-09-10, 06:53 PM

I don't know about Paint Shop, but Photoshop comes with a serial number that is registered to the original buyer. If that buyer wants to sell their license then it must be done through Adobe. Most programs are like that. This is how the people that write software get paid for their work.

If you want a powerful free image program then check out Gimp. There is a Windows port, but I'm not sure how good it is. It is a very good program under *nix, but I do still prefer Photoshop, but then again Photoshop is $600.

Davevjr · 2003-09-10, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Cleo
I don't know about Paint Shop, but Photoshop comes with a serial number that is registered to the original buyer. If that buyer wants to sell their license then it must be done through Adobe. Most programs are like that. This is how the people that write software get paid for their work.

If you want a powerful free image program then check out Gimp. There is a Windows port, but I'm not sure how good it is. It is a very good program under *nix, but I do still prefer Photoshop, but then again Photoshop is $600.

copy right laws only cover the source code when it comes to programs. the consumer has rigths to!

Cleo · 2003-09-10, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Davevjr
copy right laws only cover the source code when it comes to programs. the consumer has rigths to!

Yeah but it sounds like they only sold the disks not the license to use it. I have a shit load of old program disks that I could sell, but they are useless without the license.

Davevjr · 2003-09-10, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Cleo
I don't know about Paint Shop, but Photoshop comes with a serial number that is registered to the original buyer. If that buyer wants to sell their license then it must be done through Adobe. Most programs are like that. This is how the people that write software get paid for their work.

If you want a powerful free image program then check out Gimp. There is a Windows port, but I'm not sure how good it is. It is a very good program under *nix, but I do still prefer Photoshop, but then again Photoshop is $600.

also how are these rights transfered

Cleo · 2003-09-10, 07:16 PM

With Adobe apps you have to do it through Adobe. The person selling their license has to state that they have removed it from their machines and they loose the right to future upgrades.

With software you don't actually buy the program, but you buy the right to use the program.

Adobe gives you the right to install it on your desktop machine and laptop if you own both, but it does not give you the right to use both at the same time.

They have ways to enforce this and rumor has it that they are going to go to hardware profiling. QuarkXPress is already doing this and it is absolutely impossible to install it on more then one machine. Lots of people are very upset about this since they often own a desktop and a laptop. At $1000 per copy it is a pretty steep requirement to have to pay $2000 so that you can use it on both of your machines.

Other software uses dongles. This is a little piece of hardware that plugs into your USB port and the program will not run without it. I see this a lot on RIP software with can cost as much as $20,000 per machine.

Davevjr · 2003-09-10, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Cleo
Yeah but it sounds like they only sold the disks not the license to use it. I have a shit load of old program disks that I could sell, but they are useless without the license.

like I told Jasc it is a package deal because of the fact they are useless without. copy right is intended to protect the company that made the product from people that would make a knock off there product not someone who sells a copy of old sofware. Copy right laws are ridculous you know in some places i can't copy photographs(of me) without written permision from the photgrapher that i hired to take the pictures. I should say the interpretation of the copyright laws is stupid.

Cleo · 2003-09-10, 07:34 PM

That is protection of intellectual property.

Otherwise I could buy a program and install it on my machine and then sell the disks. One copy of the program would be all that a group of people needed since they all could install and then sell it to the next person.

Buying content for use in my sites is no different. I buy the content and state what domains I will use it on. I can not resell it or use it on other domains.

Davevjr · 2003-09-10, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Cleo
That is protection of intellectual property.

Otherwise I could buy a program and install it on my machine and then sell the disks. One copy of the program would be all that a group of people needed since they all could install and then sell it to the next person.

Buying content for use in my sites is no different. I buy the content and state what domains I will use it on. I can not resell it or use it on other domains.

exaclty what would be the motivation for that. it is not protection of intellectual property the physical disk still belongs to me. That being a fact. I think photo's are quite diffrent becuase the rights orginally come from the subject signing a model realease form. Like i said if you read the copyright laws it says the copyrights protect artisitic works, and source code was deemed that artistic work. they is an auctual agreement involved not a software company agreeing with itself. in other words nobody ever signs anything like with buying web content. it means it can't be altered or reproduced not that the original copy can't be sold.

Cleo · 2003-09-10, 07:58 PM

From my Photoshop

4. Transfer. You may not, rent, lease, sell, sublicense, un-bundle and/or repackage for distribution or resale,
or authorize all or any portion of the Software to be copied onto another users computer except as may be
expressly permitted herein. You may, however, transfer all your rights to Use the Software to another
person or legal entity provided that: (a) you also transfer (i) this Agreement, (ii) the serial number(s),
Software and all other software or hardware bundled, packaged or pre-installed with the Software,
including all copies, Updates and prior versions, and (iii) all copies of font software converted into other
formats, to such person or entity; (b) you retain no copies, including backups and copies stored on a
computer; and (c) the receiving party accepts the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any other
terms and conditions upon which you legally purchased a license to the Software. Notwithstanding the
foregoing, you may not transfer education, pre-release, or not for resale copies of the Software.

Davevjr · 2003-09-10, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by Cleo
From my Photoshop

4. Transfer. You may not, rent, lease, sell, sublicense, un-bundle and/or repackage for distribution or resale,
or authorize all or any portion of the Software to be copied onto another users computer except as may be
expressly permitted herein. You may, however, transfer all your rights to Use the Software to another
person or legal entity provided that: (a) you also transfer (i) this Agreement, (ii) the serial number(s),
Software and all other software or hardware bundled, packaged or pre-installed with the Software,
including all copies, Updates and prior versions, and (iii) all copies of font software converted into other
formats, to such person or entity; (b) you retain no copies, including backups and copies stored on a
computer; and (c) the receiving party accepts the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any other
terms and conditions upon which you legally purchased a license to the Software. Notwithstanding the
foregoing, you may not transfer education, pre-release, or not for resale copies of the Software.

from how i understand your copy of the agreement you posted you can sell it as long as sell the original and remove from your computer, wich was my point to begin with. but jasc said no tansfer for of rigths peroid wich is B.s.
anyways I managed to get the password thanks for your input cleo. no thanks to jasc software

Cleo · 2003-09-10, 10:06 PM

This is what QuarkXPress has started doing and I agree that it is total bullshit. As far as I can tell Quark must have an anti-marketing department instead of a marketing department.

When hurricane Andrew hit south Florida and destroyed the buildings that some of my accounts were in Quark refused to replace their disks claiming that it was the disk that were purchased not just a license. Well if they purchased disks and not a license then you should be able to make copies and go in business selling them. Seems that some software companies want it all. Adobe did replace all disks for a mailing fee and in some cases sent them no charge.

Most of us in the design industry hate Quark, but we all use it. Well most still use it. Many are switching to Adobe InDesign, but the problem is the printers still want QuarkXPress files.

2003-09-10, 06:45 PM	#1
Davevjr Well you know boys, a nuclear reactor is a lot like women. You just have to read the manual and press the right button Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 151	Paint shop pro user licence I Bought a copy of paint shop pro on ebay. I had to contact customer service becuase this version turned out have a password on it before install and directed me to register the product before use. this is psp5. I contacted jasc and they refuse to give me password and claim that it is un unlicence copy. personally i think this is a bunch of crap. the idea that you are not allowed to sell your own software is crap to me. They say they still own the copyright. Here is what I say FUCK JASC SOFTWARE!

2003-09-10, 06:53 PM	#2
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I don't know about Paint Shop, but Photoshop comes with a serial number that is registered to the original buyer. If that buyer wants to sell their license then it must be done through Adobe. Most programs are like that. This is how the people that write software get paid for their work. If you want a powerful free image program then check out Gimp. There is a Windows port, but I'm not sure how good it is. It is a very good program under nix, but I do still prefer Photoshop, but then again Photoshop is $600. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft* Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289 Last edited by Cleo; 2003-09-10 at 06:59 PM..

2003-09-10, 07:16 PM	#6
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	With Adobe apps you have to do it through Adobe. The person selling their license has to state that they have removed it from their machines and they loose the right to future upgrades. With software you don't actually buy the program, but you buy the right to use the program. Adobe gives you the right to install it on your desktop machine and laptop if you own both, but it does not give you the right to use both at the same time. They have ways to enforce this and rumor has it that they are going to go to hardware profiling. QuarkXPress is already doing this and it is absolutely impossible to install it on more then one machine. Lots of people are very upset about this since they often own a desktop and a laptop. At $1000 per copy it is a pretty steep requirement to have to pay $2000 so that you can use it on both of your machines. Other software uses dongles. This is a little piece of hardware that plugs into your USB port and the program will not run without it. I see this a lot on RIP software with can cost as much as $20,000 per machine. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-09-10, 07:34 PM	#8
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	That is protection of intellectual property. Otherwise I could buy a program and install it on my machine and then sell the disks. One copy of the program would be all that a group of people needed since they all could install and then sell it to the next person. Buying content for use in my sites is no different. I buy the content and state what domains I will use it on. I can not resell it or use it on other domains. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-09-10, 07:58 PM	#10
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	From my Photoshop 4. Transfer. You may not, rent, lease, sell, sublicense, un-bundle and/or repackage for distribution or resale, or authorize all or any portion of the Software to be copied onto another users computer except as may be expressly permitted herein. You may, however, transfer all your rights to Use the Software to another person or legal entity provided that: (a) you also transfer (i) this Agreement, (ii) the serial number(s), Software and all other software or hardware bundled, packaged or pre-installed with the Software, including all copies, Updates and prior versions, and (iii) all copies of font software converted into other formats, to such person or entity; (b) you retain no copies, including backups and copies stored on a computer; and (c) the receiving party accepts the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any other terms and conditions upon which you legally purchased a license to the Software. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may not transfer education, pre-release, or not for resale copies of the Software. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-09-10, 10:06 PM	#12
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	This is what QuarkXPress has started doing and I agree that it is total bullshit. As far as I can tell Quark must have an anti-marketing department instead of a marketing department. When hurricane Andrew hit south Florida and destroyed the buildings that some of my accounts were in Quark refused to replace their disks claiming that it was the disk that were purchased not just a license. Well if they purchased disks and not a license then you should be able to make copies and go in business selling them. Seems that some software companies want it all. Adobe did replace all disks for a mailing fee and in some cases sent them no charge. Most of us in the design industry hate Quark, but we all use it. Well most still use it. Many are switching to Adobe InDesign, but the problem is the printers still want QuarkXPress files. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289