Web Porn Safe from India?

[Alphawolf]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...urjobandshipit

With the way the adult industry is set up- are we in one of the more safe zones from being gobbled up by India?

Among the quotables:

"If you're a Web programmer, I'm sorry, you have no right to think you can keep your job in the U.S. if you're using the same technology that existed four years ago," Vashistha says. "You've got to keep moving up. You've got to keep going back to school…. If you're not going to do that, you're going to lose your job."

and...

"The potential casualty list includes clerical workers, administrators, programmers, analysts, accountants, auditors, telemarketers, researchers, tax preparers, technical writers and even economists. In only a few years, this displacement of jobs has created a new class of anxious — even angry — Americans."

Basically, it seems if one is in the services sector- they are fucked or will be soon. |pissed|

How long before we have video monitors with Indian people as sales reps at Circuit City, or teaching a class in public school for pennies?

Anyone see a solution to this? It seems the best option for anyone who paid for a good education is to move to India and teach English.

Anyway- is the porn business model insulated from Indian companies taking over?

[Useless]

I don't feel very insulated. Have you seen all the postings on the boards like this for outsourcing companies telling us how much cheaper it would be to have them do it? The rat bastards.

[Surfn]

If you apply originality to your work there is NEVER any fear of losing your position in the food chain.

[Cleo]

I'm going to outsource my life so that I can live better on my income.

[Alphawolf]

Surfn,

I meant more along the lines of whether Indian (or other educated workforce with a shit currency) could slip into the Sponsor spots.

Will we soon be paid in indian rupee? And just a few of those to boot? :-/

[Useless]

I'd like to outsource the parenting of my children.

Do you imagine there will ever be a backlash at these cheap ass companies who outsource all of there customer service and force us to speak with someone who can barely mumble the language? We should storm their gates.

I have to assume that the outsourcing spammers on these boards don't realize that 99% of the posters have just a handful of sights that need regular updating and that it wouldn't make sense to pay someone to do it. The profit would would be gone or sharply decreased. Who the hell hires someone to manage their list or tgp?

Not to mention, if a bunch of affiliate programs went to outsourcing and it became a hassle for us, oh well, dump them and work with the other 10,000 programs out there.

[Surfn]

I don't see them making and great inroads in the sponsor area. They like to buy existing businesses and run them into the ground from what I've seen the past 25-30 years.

This month alone I've bought more than 35 franchises from owners who were clueless. I either dismantle them or rehab them.

[Surfn]

Useless Warrior

Look at what happend to Kathy Lee.

[Useless]

Originally posted by Surfn
Useless Warrior

Look at what happend to Kathy Lee.

I'd do her.

But to the point, YES - look at our dear braless bitch friend Kathy Lee. She found out how badly her shit smells when people discovered her sweat shops.

On the sponsor programs, the sale of porn requires heavy use of idiomatic expressions. You can't fake it. You really need to know a language very well to use its slang properly. Can you see the ad text now? "This over hot womans like it bad" Sign me up!

[Alphawolf]

A lot of well known companies 'offshore it':

http://www.informationweek.com/story...cleID=18901298

Useless Warrior,

Their language schools are quite good. They can switch from an American accent to sounding like someone from England pretty easily.

A lot of 1-800 call centers are serviced by Indian companies.

There was a report on CNBC on this very subject showing how even medical Xrays, CAT SCAN results, MRI results were diagnosed by an Indian technician.

My Uncle is an Engineer for a small aerospace company. He's pretty worried for good reasons.

[Useless]

I wish DirecTv would use the ones who can speak English. Hell for all know, I may just be calling people who live in Chicago.

[urb]

British Telecom are outsourcing to India and are getting a lot of customer complaints.

Dell Computers have also had problems with customer satisfaction since they outsourced there too.
http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-5182611.html

[caringneo]

Will we soon be paid in indian rupee? And just a few of those to boot?

That will never happen. Indians come to us because dollar is much stronger than rupee.
IMHO, you don't have to take it agaist in Indians. US companies need cheap labour who can speak english as well as use their brains. So the indians are in. Say the authorities completely stops this. May be then they will go for the chineese which is much cheaper. Which one you choose?

If you apply originality to your work there is NEVER any fear of losing your position in the food chain.

I agree with that 100%

Neo

[Alphawolf]

Sure. I've done this myself in outsourcing work to a Canadian flash developer.

India has been very smart to exploit the United States needs/desires.

Deal is- what do all the displaced workers do?

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Sure. I've done this myself in outsourcing work to a Canadian flash developer.

India has been very smart to exploit the United States needs/desires.

Deal is- what do all the displaced workers do?

Retrain. If you are NOT willing to retrain in this day and age you are foolish. No one is guaranteed a job.

[urb]

Originally posted by caringneo
May be then they will go for the chinese which is much cheaper. Which one you choose?

Every Friday night I choose between Chinese or Indian food.

Seriously though, I think the best thing about the world wide web is that it is an open market.

Shukhriya

[Alphawolf]

Retrain. If you are NOT willing to retrain in this day and age you are foolish. No one is guaranteed a job.

Surfn,

You mean to switch careers?

It's not really a matter of amount of training or education IMO.

If a programmer in the USA costs $60k/yr and an Indian programmer costs $K/yr all things being equal...the company goes with the savings.

There is no amount of additional training the US programmer can do that will offset the savings his or her employer gets from off shoring it.

I'm speaking about employees, not entrepreneurs or contract workers. Folks who have worked at the same place for 10+ years.

Probably, a lot of us here are used to being contract workers or having our own small business. I can't imagine working for one place for many years, but some people find that comfortable.

Like you state, nobody has a right to a job.

But it sure is a bitch when they lose them based on cost, not skills.

It is good to be able to take advantage of exchange rates.

When your rent is $50/mo it's pretty easy to win a bid.

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by urb
Seriously though, I think the best thing about the world wide web is that it is an open market.

urb, aren't you from Australia? $1= $1.386963 AUS

Hmm.

[Wazza]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
urb, aren't you from Australia? $1= $1.386963 AUS

Hmm.

Urb's from the mother land if I'm not mistaken...

Roughly 9 months ago it bought almost $2 aussie... You know what you've earned when you earn it - we don't - we are subject to the frailties of the forex market - you aren't. Someone who made business plans based on the exchange rate 9 months ago could well be in serious shit atm as a result of recent movements. But you don't see this - all you see is something called a dollar and presume it's the same bloody thing - which it IS NOT. Rely on purchasing power parity (PPP) if you want a real measure of what $1 USD buys vs what $1.38 AUD buys.

On the Dell thing - I wanted to buy one 3 years ago - checked their website - liked what I saw and decided to give em a call to confirm some details before buying. Called em 5 times - each time the operator barely spoke English and sounded like they were sitting at the bottom of a well. Each time they took my number and promised to call me back on a better line - they never did. I now own a HP.

I emailed Dell and relayed this story in detail - they never replied.

[DangerDave]

This outsourcing crap is BS.. mostly as per Wazza said above...

Service falls, communications falls, quality falls, and prices dont fukin drop... Yay! Go capitalism...

The cost of having my phone is about to rise 15%, but the service hasnt!

I still believe alot of this outsourcing crap is "exploitation" rather than use of any dollar disparity.. thats just a nice way to describe it to your shareholders!

DD

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Surfn,

You mean to switch careers?

It's not really a matter of amount of training or education IMO.

If a programmer in the USA costs $60k/yr and an Indian programmer costs $K/yr all things being equal...the company goes with the savings.

There is no amount of additional training the US programmer can do that will offset the savings his or her employer gets from off shoring it.

I'm speaking about employees, not entrepreneurs or contract workers. Folks who have worked at the same place for 10+ years.

Probably, a lot of us here are used to being contract workers or having our own small business. I can't imagine working for one place for many years, but some people find that comfortable.

Like you state, nobody has a right to a job.

But it sure is a bitch when they lose them based on cost, not skills.

It is good to be able to take advantage of exchange rates.

When your rent is $50/mo it's pretty easy to win a bid.

Obviously you can't see my point. Good Luck!

[Cleo]

From looking at my daily submits I would say that it isn't India that you need to be worrying about.

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Surfn
Obviously you can't see my point. Good Luck!

Surfn,

Why the hostility?

Your point is written:

"If you apply originality to your work there is NEVER any fear of losing your position in the food chain."

I'm not sure how much a customer service rep in a call center can have originality in their work or whether that originality would overcome a companies desire to cut costs.

BTW, when I wrote:

"It is good to be able to take advantage of exchange rates.

When your rent is $50/mo it's pretty easy to win a bid."

I was talking about myself, in the near future- it wasn't a slight on anyone else.

I asked about the adult industry and it seems that is safe. Then I thought about the general professions that could be off shored.

I would like to understand your point(s) as they apply outside the adult industry.

[Wazza]

A brief* and grossly simplified history - Australia erected a massive wall of trade protection during the 50s and 60s - primarily during the Menzies govt however following govts were guilty of perpetuating these practices. In addition to this the banking system was heavily regulated and closed to outsiders - the exchange rate was also fixed (the Reserve Bank equiv. of the US Fed being the arbiter of the exch rate).

During the 80s this system was gradually dismantled - the banking system was openned up to outside competition and the dollar was floated (albeit a dirty float - a situation which still exists today). The newfound "free" money generated by the massive influx of outside capital led to inflation bordering on hyper and interest rates soured in an attempt to counter this (at one point my parents were paying 17%+ on their home loan).

Tariff protections have been gradually scaled back (primarily from the late 80s onwards). The mantra being "learn to compete or bugger off". Under the protectionist regime many industries were frankly grossly inefficient and were in desperate need of reform. Many companies went broke, many thousands of people lost the jobs they thought they'd be working until they retired. IT HURT - it hurt bad... but sadly it was necessary.

The simple fact is that the longer you "protect" inefficiencies the more it hurts when you address the issue. Protection may be politically popular but keeping a govt in power is just about the only good thing it does.

I could go on for a week - but I've got other stuff to be doing...

This is an interesting article on point (last para is quite funny imo) - http://www.techcentralstation.com/012004B.html
From above - the link to Ricardo in the second paragraph is quite interesting considering he wrote it in the early 19th Century (he was right then and he's right now) - http://www.econlib.org/library/Ricardo/ricP.html
On the costs of protection - http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/speeches/ct-dg022599.html
Read paragraph #4 - 219 ppl have a job - the US economy pays $1.4 per annum for every single one of them... - http://www.dallasfed.org/fed/annual/2002/ar02f.pdf

Wazza
Certified Practicing Bush Economist

*The brief bit turned out to be a horrible lie...

[Surfn]

Alphawolf

I know the difference between what I can change and what I can not change.

I don't come to the board to argue or debate, just to give my point of view. Some people agree with me some don't. Either way it's my opinion and it takes more than mere words and subjective interpretation of statistics to change my opinion.

I'm not paranoid about this business or any business because I know I can make money in any economy online or offline.