Cleo, if you have a few seconds

[McSpike]

Hi Cleo,

You rejected my site saying the model looks way too young even for an asian girl. I sent you an email back with model's signed statement and copy of her ID, but didn't get any reply from you then.

I'd like to know is the site ok then or you still wouldn't list it. If not I hope it's not because you don't like teen porn It's easier to promote teen porn when teens look like teens. Anyway it's your site - I'd just like to make sure I don't get you mad, because I have 6 more sets with girls like her on my desktop and I'll make sites with them in the very near future.

Anyway if any of you is wondering what the girl looks like, click the "GalleryX" links on this page.

[urb]

I believe that a model looking too young is enough for some link lists (including Cleo's) to refuse a listing.

Even if she is 25........ if she looks too young, then that's a no no to a lot of webmasters.

[Surfn]

Maybe Cleo didn't have her glasses on

[urb]

That girl looks about 16 to me.

Teen stuff is not my bag.

[Surfn]

I don’t do much with teens either since it’s so over done. I am part Asian and that girl looks to be on the verge of becoming a spinster |shocking|

[Cleo]

I admit that I have a hard time judging an Asian's age, but yeah that model looks really young.

The problem is that even if ID says that she is ninety years old it really doesn't matter if she looks too young. I'm sure that you are familiar with the Tracy Lords story.

[McSpike]

spinster? Tracy Lords?

Cleo, so you won't mind if I send more asian girls? I don't mind if you reject them if you think they look too young as long as that doesn't get me put on some "black" list of yours If you have a few seconds to judge about the pics and not being mad at me for sending a site (despite that it might get rejected) that's fine by me. That's all I want to know.

[Cleo]

Submit away.
I don't blacklist for something like that, lol.

I do try my best to keep my list clean and not list anything that would be questioned by someone about age.

Every list is different, I'm real strict about age and mouseovers, but then I have no problem listing piss, fisting, body fluids, etc.

I do have a teen category, but I only list old teens.

[Cleo]

MY link list, like most, has more then one reviewer so sometimes things will make it in that I would prefer didn't.

I just did a search for your stuff and I don't like it. In fact I deleted what I found.
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...ng-pussy-porn/
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...rew-boys-porn/
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...en-pussy-porn/ ebony
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.com/huge-cocks-porn/ hardcore
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...nde-babe-porn/
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...ack-teen-porn/
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...ing-boys-porn/
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...gay-boys-porn/

IMHO you should seek another line of work.

[McSpike]

Cleo, you have email.

[Cleo]

This site the model looks way too young
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...n/content.html

On other sites you referance " young tight teen pussies" and on another site you talked about moms fucking "young boys" but it looks like you have since changed that.

If you want to submit sites that don't play on the edge of legality I'll list them.

I will not list sites that the model looks too young.
I will not list sites using terms like young boys, young teens, young girls or anything that even suggests anything besides consenting adults over the age of 18.

[WolfPack]

Originally posted by Cleo
This site the model looks way too young
http://www.free-sex-pictures-post.co...n/content.html

On other sites you referance " young tight teen pussies" and on another site you talked about moms fucking "young boys" but it looks like you have since changed that.

If you want to submit sites that don't play on the edge of legality I'll list them.

I will not list sites that the model looks too young.
I will not list sites using terms like young boys, young teens, young girls or anything that even suggests anything besides consenting adults over the age of 18.

Amen

[amber438]

double amen

|goodnight

[McSpike]

Cleo,

I fully understand. I am more of a "free speech" guy, but it won't be a problem for me to make sites to suit your demands I try very hard not to use the word "young" anywhere as submit scripts don't want that, but I still manage to write it inside the sites sometimes. I'll take care of that habit of mine.

[DangerDave]

I am with Cleo on this one for the most part...

I dont list any sites with these "old vs young/family" sponsors, and the others I have have seen grow in number are "asian exploitation" sponsors. I dont list them either..

DD

[Cleo]

Your sites weren't bad looking, but your choice of niches and how you promoted them will cause you many problems

New official rule of my link list. I don't want to see any sites of drunk moms doing boys.

[McSpike]

I was hoping no one will see it as "old vs young/family" as that is INCEST and that's far from what I wanted. But some of the sponsors make it clear on their sistes they have "incest" inside and all the rest not promoting incest now look like they are. I was just promoting MILF only that in this niche there are not some 30-40 year old guys that are fucking the "moms" but boys. I know plenty of people had the fantasy to do it with his friend's mom who was a sexy lady. It was that unfulfilled fantasies that I wanted to promote so I used the term "mom" in a few cases, but now I see that was not a good choice despite that the MILF niche is so popular. Never on the site I promoted "family sex", that's incest and that's illegal in the US (I believe).

Next time when a new niche pops up that could be seen as something else, I will ask wether that is ok or not, first.

[backoffbitch]

I have to agree with cleo.

Some of your content is ok, like the black teens, but it's how you word things too. As for your granny vs b*y... well... that's just sick. One of them the guy looks 13. Even ones where the male is clearly of age your wording of things leaves a sour taste in everyones mouthes. It's a shame you had to be set straight on a public board but trust me, if you can change the way you advertisie and who you chose for sponsors you will get alot further in this biz and a fatter bottom line.


I had someone submitting granny vs b*ys sites last week, The very first one he sent me almost made me puke,not becuase of teh content. but becuase of the wording, almost like a pedo priest wrote it. I quickly blasted him via email and demanded my linkback be removed as I want NO association with a site liek that. What does he do? SUbmits another one the next day... since been blacklisted,, email submits from him are immediately sent to trash bin. My point is this.... legal or not.. nobody wishing to keep their reputation will list any of these types of sites. Even the old greying 40's aged men screwing 18 year olds who look 17 will NEVER get listed by me, everything must be clearly legal, wording must not be pedo material and even if everything looks good and I get an impression that the girl looks too young... fuckem, they ain;t getting listed.

If someone submits a solo softcore site with proper advertising and wording that is not pedo-like but the girl looks very young, I prolly won't list it, but if I know it comes from a content producer or sponsor that I know is legit I will list it but change the description of the listing to clearly state that the teen is LEGAL.

Example:

MET - You will NEVER see their content on my site. Never. They claim to be all legal age, but the wordings and suggestive poses and angles are all "pedo's apply here please".

99 percent of asian teen sponsors - What's legal in asia is most likely not legal in the our neck of the woods. Some of their tours are so fucking sick, I swear they put an 11 year old girl's face on an 18 year old's body and call them Asian Models.. yeah right.. pedo's.. trash bin they go!

Sweet Cuties - Definately listed! Girls look so frikin borderline sometimes, But I know webguy through business and I KNOW he would never do anythign illegal. He is a business man and his girls are DEFINATELY legal. He doesn't play on pedo's either, it's all clean amateur teen advertising and themed. I love his site.

[McSpike]

everyone attacking me

I know what all of you are saying and I understand you. For the "mom & boy" niche I chose dacash simply because their stuff never implied any illegal stuff, but simply boys doing old ladies. I wish I could get better content, but that's all I had at my disposal. This niche was new and looked interesting, because it's the opposite of what Dave Cummings is shooting (and some of his girls look very young too, but he's okay and respected).

Originally posted by backoffbitch
Sweet Cuties - Definately listed! Girls look so frikin borderline sometimes, But I know webguy through business and I KNOW he would never do anythign illegal. He is a business man and his girls are DEFINATELY legal. He doesn't play on pedo's either, it's all clean amateur teen advertising and themed. I love his site.

That's just unfair I would never do anything illegal either - you just don't know me. What you do after work? |rasta|

Hmm... How come I never submitted to your site before? Gotta visit this board more often

[Cleo]

Very well said BoB.

[backoffbitch]

Originally posted by McSpike
everyone attacking me

I know what all of you are saying and I understand you. For the "mom & boy" niche I chose dacash simply because their stuff never implied any illegal stuff, but simply boys doing old ladies. I wish I could get better content, but that's all I had at my disposal. This niche was new and looked interesting, because it's the opposite of what Dave Cummings is shooting (and some of his girls look very young too, but he's okay and respected).



That's just unfair I would never do anything illegal either - you just don't know me. What you do after work? |rasta|

Hmm... How come I never submitted to your site before? Gotta visit this board more often

I never said you did anything illegal, but your choice of words and possibly sponsors and content left a bad taste in my mouth. Move on, find a better way to advertise while staying politicaly and morally correct (hard to say that in the adult biz) but there are limits if you want to make a name for yourself in this biz. Beausem afterall, it's who you know most of the time. SUre I could make HUGE bank promoting all kinds of borderline stuff... but I won't, I value my rep more than my wallet. Because everythign comes back to haunt you some day. it always does.

If you need help with advertising, or want things checked out if/when you come back up for air, don't be scared to ask. Criticism is the best advice sometimes.

[McSpike]

BoB, thanks for offering help. Actually all the help I needed was for cleo (and now all the rest of the gang) to clarify why my asian site was rejected. Now when I see you are doing what's politicaly & morally "correct" I know what to change to get listed. I believe it's all just a matter of taste in the mouth like you said it. I like vanilla ice cream while I hate strawberry one. Can't believe people like that fruit ice cream, yuck. The same with porn. It's the same for example with defining what's porn and what's art. It all comes down to what's ones limits. Fantasy cannot be foribidden if we live in a free speech world, right? Well, almost It's not quite a free speech world, that's why one needs to learn when to play by "stricter" rules. I understand that some of you may have children in their teens that look pretty much like what people post. If you connect the two it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I fully understand that and have no problem with that, I just want to know who in this biz gets a bad taste in his/her mouth, that's all

BoB, that one thing that punched me in the eye was you saying you would list your friend despite that he posts very borderline content and that's because you KNOW he doesn't do anything ILLEGAL. That's why I said, if you don't post me, am I doing something ILLEGAL? I also have all the papers to prove my material is LEGAL and that still wouldn't get me posted.

Bah this could lead to a bigger debate which is not needed. On the end it's really your site and you list what you wanna list wether we like it or not and that's ok.

All I neeed is to know what needs to be corrected to get listed. I know that now and will move on to making my next site. Thanks again for all the comments

[backoffbitch]

Originally posted by McSpike

BoB, that one thing that punched me in the eye was you saying you would list your friend despite that he posts very borderline content and that's because you KNOW he doesn't do anything ILLEGAL. That's why I said, if you don't post me, am I doing something ILLEGAL? I also have all the papers to prove my material is LEGAL and that still wouldn't get me posted.

Let me clarify a bit. Webguy doesn't submit or post anything to me. He owns teenagecash.com . What I was trying to say is that his models are young but we can all trust that they ARE legal and that his site is not geared to grab pedo signups. I am saying that his content may look young but that's becuase they look young. It's not a gimmic to "percieve them" as younger. There is nothing wrong with his site. You won't find any 'moms fucking b*ys', or 'y*ung asi*n' teenie or 'art' or 'l*lita' references on any of his galleries, site pages, banners or wattermarks. So I would list anything thrown at me using his content and banners so long as the webmaster followed my usual rules. I also know that if any acusations arose he would clear everything up. Him and I may have gotten into many pissing matches before but I will say this, he runs an honnest and morally corect site (still sounds weird saying that about porn sites)



Look at some asian, mature-vs-teen-males and so called 'art' sponsors. They are clearly targeting a certain taboo audience. Any respectable webmaster would not be involved in that. To stress it again, I am saying that webguy is NOT like that.. his girls are naturaly too cute for their own good


And yes, it is the sole discretion of the webmaster as to what gets listed or not. Cleo is VERY fair.. she may get cranky (who wouldn't with all the cheaters she has to castrate every day) but she has her reasons for not listing certain types of sites and it makes perfect sense.

I think you understand everythign everyone is saying so I'll lay off now

In closing tho... I am not attacking you or your sites, just pointing out things that could really cause problems for your 'networking' with webmasters in the future.

anywho, enough rambling here from me... go back to work everyone... oh BTW... anyone own a teen tgp I can submit to? lol

[backoffbitch]

Originally posted by McSpike
That's why I said, if you don't post me, am I doing something ILLEGAL? I also have all the papers to prove my material is LEGAL and that still wouldn't get me posted.

I just had to comment on that line now that I read it fully...

Your text/theme/content all combine regardless of content being legal or not could still land you in the slammer if you travel to the wrong place at the wrong time when the wrong judge comes across your site or someone in power makes a complaint... Sometimes it's just the implications that can fuck you in the behind.

[McSpike]

Originally posted by backoffbitch
anyone own a teen tgp I can submit to?

hope you stuff is not borderline.

just teasing. let's go back to work. loves you all people! |rasta|